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Subject: Rep System for B.net
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I think Bungie.net should use a rep system like mlgpro.com where we can give somebody good rep or bad rep. I think it would help a lot with the community especially with spammers, flammers, and trolls and any other people. Hopefully it will mature the community a little more then where it's now.

Now the problem with the system is the abuse that could come with it so I would propose-

1. Everybody can only give out rep +/- to the same person only once a month with only 2 times. 1 for + rep and 1 for - rep so you can't keep giving out good rep or bad rep to the same person over and over again.

2. The person that's getting the rep can see who is giving the rep and why so that way the person that's getting the rep can report the issue to the mods if something arises and the person that is getting any abusing rep can allow the moderators to see the comments and rep so the moderator can take action and the user that's getting the rep can't change anything. Basically the rep will have a small link that can only be seen by the moderators so it can't be tampered with.

Now to get banned form the site is to hit a certain amount of -rep like -25. Once there bye bye. The bar starts out green and when it get's high enough like +20 it turnes blue or a holy white meaning that you could be a cannidate for moderatore or just a highly respected person who helps and has a good rep and blah blah blah you know the rest.

Hopefully it might be a good idea and might get some thought and put into consideration by the modes but will have to be tested of corse. But anyways I thought about it for awile and decided to post and get feedback.

Feedback is appreciated. No Flamming.

  • 02.11.2007 3:47 PM PDT

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It would be far better off to have a "preferred user" system, much like Xbox Live has. You could only leave a + or a - once per user, and that's what your 'opinion' of them is. However, this type of system is unnecessary. The moderators can easily see who the bad members are, instead of waiting for some system to remove the user for them.

And it's quite obvious, from how new moderators are selected (and by selected I mean knocked out, tied up, gagged, and beaten with a wet noodle in a dark room full of salivating hippos) that Achronos and others know who the good and bad members are, just by watching how they post.

I suppose if the web team ever felt they needed a real reputation system instead of word of mouth and by what they see, the would implement one.

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  • 02.11.2007 3:50 PM PDT
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That's kinda what im saying though. Of corse the mods are going to be able to pick out the trolls and ban them but if you actually go all the way back to the beginning of when some of these forums were started you would see a big difference in the way the community was compared to now. Sad really of where it went to from where it was :(.

  • 02.11.2007 3:57 PM PDT

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  • 02.11.2007 4:00 PM PDT

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I don't see what your point is. The mods pick out the bad, and they can also easily pick out the good. A reputation system would only allow people to 'boost' and act like jerks. It would happen. User-controlled systems fail.

If it was controlled by the moderators, where only they could give good or bad reputation, then that'd be fine. Obviously if someone started bragging about their reputation, it would go down.

I'm sure the newer version of Bungie.net will have some interesting things like this, among other things.. Personally, I can't wait. ;)

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  • 02.11.2007 4:00 PM PDT

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Posted By: Achronos

Systems such as that fail when they are subject to user input. If any such system were to be created, it would be focused around determining how "trustworthy" a user is, and would not have any user input other than the history of moderation against an account. Another important thing is that rewards for being a "good community member" have to such that you can't tell how close you are to getting them. Basically, everything about such a system should be hidden so it can't be "gamed". Only then can elitism be avoided - if you don't know how you got an "Veteran Member" title, for example, you can't really lord it over everyone. And if you do, then you aren't deserving of the title, and the moderators can discipline you for it, thus knocking you down a few pegs.

Theoretically, of couse. ;)


This not only says this kind of system is bad, but it also hints that we may have something awesome coming up soon..

  • 02.11.2007 4:06 PM PDT
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If you re-read it, it also tells how to deal with the abuse that could happen. The abuse is going to try and happen but having a few optionsto select why the person is given the feedback could help kinda like the current system that we have when we play H2.

  • 02.11.2007 4:07 PM PDT

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It still allows the system to be broken. User Input = Bad

  • 02.11.2007 4:09 PM PDT
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  • 02.11.2007 4:56 PM PDT

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And it's quite obvious, from how new moderators are selected (and by selected I mean knocked out, tied up, gagged, and beaten with a wet noodle in a dark room full of salivating hippos).


I don't remember anything about hippos, is that a new rule?

  • 02.11.2007 4:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: SS_Zag1
And it's quite obvious, from how new moderators are selected (and by selected I mean knocked out, tied up, gagged, and beaten with a wet noodle in a dark room full of salivating hippos).


I don't remember anything about hippos, is that a new rule?


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  • 02.11.2007 5:41 PM PDT
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I've seen the rep system abused badly on mlgpro.com eg people giving bad rep because they cheated them on halo 2, giving bad rep because someone said to, etc.

So total user input isn't really a good option in rep systems.

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Posted by: Sketto
I've seen the rep system abused badly on mlgpro.com eg people giving bad rep because they cheated them on halo 2, giving bad rep because someone said to, etc.

So total user input isn't really a good option in rep systems.


MLG people and "bad rep" just seem to go hand-in-hand, don't they? : )

  • 02.11.2007 5:46 PM PDT

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That was funny, have a cookie.


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Rep systems are abusable and breed elitism.

  • 02.11.2007 5:59 PM PDT
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Nothing good could come of a rep system. Those things are pure evil. Given the number of people (accounts I should say) on bungie.net, that could go bad very quickly.

  • 02.11.2007 6:05 PM PDT
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Now the problem with the system is the abuse that could come with it so I would propose-

1. Everybody can only give out rep +/- to the same person only once a month with only 2 times. 1 for + rep and 1 for - rep so you can't keep giving out good rep or bad rep to the same person over and over again.

2. The person that's getting the rep can see who is giving the rep and why so that way the person that's getting the rep can report the issue to the mods if something arises and the person that is getting any abusing rep can allow the moderators to see the comments and rep so the moderator can take action and the user that's getting the rep can't change anything. Basically the rep will have a small link that can only be seen by the moderators so it can't be tampered with.

  • 02.11.2007 6:05 PM PDT
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A rep system that relies on user input sucks.

  • 02.11.2007 6:10 PM PDT

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I think rep sucks on a forum.

JERKS will sometimes get a group of people together and leave bad rep on a person they dislike. Now that's the uber sux.

  • 02.11.2007 6:20 PM PDT

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Three words: "Ripe" "For" and "Abuse".


I agree. We don't need one.

  • 02.11.2007 6:55 PM PDT

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Well it would obviously be abused, then that would lead to more blacklistings, and that means more work for mods so I doubt it will win them over.

  • 02.11.2007 7:29 PM PDT
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2. The person that's getting the rep can see who is giving the rep and why so that way the person that's getting the rep can report the issue to the mods if something arises and the person that is getting any abusing rep can allow the moderators to see the comments and rep so the moderator can take action and the user that's getting the rep can't change anything. Basically the rep will have a small link that can only be seen by the moderators so it can't be tampered with.


Aha! Herein lies the problem. You're asking the members to supply the input, which will of course be a lot, and then you have the mods keeping the system clean. But in order for this to work well, you would have to assume that no one has friends or enemies, or at least none that will try to manipulate the system, and is not a person who would manipulate the system on their own.

Let's say we have John Member. John saw that pretty rep system, and wanted a good rep too. So he asked his friends to give him good rep. He asked his friends to have their friends give him good rep, and in return he gave them all good rep. But that wasn't enough. He wants more, so he makes a couple of accounts, gives them some features so they seem real, and then gives himself good rep. Now John is a moderator candidate, or a really good member, but he doesn't deserve to be, does he?

  • 02.11.2007 8:08 PM PDT
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User Input Reps = this.

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  • 02.11.2007 8:33 PM PDT

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