Halo 1 & 2 for PC
This topic has moved here: Subject: Check this out
  • Subject: Check this out
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • of 2
Subject: Check this out
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

halo2vista.com

  • 02.16.2007 10:39 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Woah. That was the most detailed site about H2V ever !

  • 02.16.2007 10:40 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Nah
H2vista.net is much better

  • 02.16.2007 10:42 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

I believe Halo 2 being ported from the Xbox to computers using Windows Vista only, is a marketing strategy Microsoft is using in an attempt to push people that do not have a Windows Vista licence into purchasing one, which would result with increased Microsoft profit.

I also believe Halo 2 could be ported from the Xbox to run on computers using an operating system other than Windows Vista, seing games that are more technically advanced than Halo 2, such as Doom 3 and Quake 4, are able to run in an operating system less advanced than Windows Vista, such as Windows 2000 and Windows XP.
As Windows Vista is backwards-compatible with Windows 2000 and Windows XP applications, I believe Halo 2 could be ported to run on a computer that uses Windows 2000 or Windows XP.


Wow, what a load of bull----.

  • 02.16.2007 11:08 AM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Legendary Member
  • gamertag: Btcc22
  • user homepage:

Not really.

I can't see a good reason for it to not use XP.

  • 02.16.2007 11:47 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
I believe Halo 2 being ported from the Xbox to computers using Windows Vista only, is a marketing strategy Microsoft is using in an attempt to push people that do not have a Windows Vista licence into purchasing one, which would result with increased Microsoft profit.

I also believe Halo 2 could be ported from the Xbox to run on computers using an operating system other than Windows Vista, seing games that are more technically advanced than Halo 2, such as Doom 3 and Quake 4, are able to run in an operating system less advanced than Windows Vista, such as Windows 2000 and Windows XP.
As Windows Vista is backwards-compatible with Windows 2000 and Windows XP applications, I believe Halo 2 could be ported to run on a computer that uses Windows 2000 or Windows XP.


Wow, what a load of bull----.


You can't keep lying to yourself to make everything go according to plan dude.

I believe Halo 2 being ported from the Xbox to computers using Windows Vista only, is a marketing strategy Microsoft is using in an attempt to push people that do not have a Windows Vista licence into purchasing one, which would result with increased Microsoft profit.

This has never been more true. I'm glad somebody finally woke up.

[Edited on 2/16/2007]

  • 02.16.2007 12:45 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Iron Curtain
Agreed with Ipjunnin, there is no reason why Halo 2 can't be done on XP. Microsoft just wants to shift support from XP to Vista.


Yeah, Reefer, I don't want to start another argument or anything, but just hear me out.

Sure, giving Halo2 ONLY to Windows Vista may sound ironic to you, because it's barely any support. It's just a single game, and you're right a game can't sell an OS. But it's pretty much a small reinforcer for the OS. M$ thinks like this: Why not make all those Halo1PC players upgrade and buy our new OS, so they can play the second game in the series? Yes, that's not the MAIN reason Vista is selling, but it helps keep the happy-meter up.

  • 02.16.2007 1:33 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Or MAYBE, just a thought, Bungie wants to use new features? Live Anywhere, future support, better resource management, better operating system. Also, Bungie will be able to take the advantage that they can design for higher ended systems, as they know that nobody will have below the minimum specs for Vista...

  • 02.16.2007 1:36 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: darekster2ongame
Or MAYBE, just a thought, Bungie wants to use new features? Live Anywhere, future support, better resource management, better operating system. Also, Bungie will be able to take the advantage that they can design for higher ended systems, as they know that nobody will have below the minimum specs for Vista...


Thank you. You've basically summed up everything I was going to say in one neat little paragraph.

  • 02.16.2007 1:46 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Been there, done that.

  • 02.17.2007 5:41 AM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Legendary Member
  • gamertag: Btcc22
  • user homepage:

Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Posted by: darekster2ongame
Or MAYBE, just a thought, Bungie wants to use new features? Live Anywhere, future support, better resource management, better operating system. Also, Bungie will be able to take the advantage that they can design for higher ended systems, as they know that nobody will have below the minimum specs for Vista...


Thank you. You've basically summed up everything I was going to say in one neat little paragraph.


1. "Live Anywhere" - Could have been done on XP. It's not even out yet, so it's not exactly a core part of the OS, is it? Could have run on XP with Live disabled if need be.

2. "future support" - Not at all related to OS. Even so, XP will be supported for years to come.

3. "better resource management" - Doesn't really do much for a game, since the OS will be using all those resources up that XP wouldn't have done so much.

4. "better operating system" - So it means that it can't run on XP? Despite the fact it could easily have worked with either Vista AND XP?

5. "Also, Bungie will be able to take the advantage that they can design for higher ended systems" - Higher end systems which will struggle more with Halo 2 on Vista than had it been on XP? Not only this, but why do they care? I mean, there's a reason why games allow users to disable features if their PC can't cope with it. Come on, Halo 2 ran on 733mhz Xbox and nothing much is being added except the ability to play in a higher res. Low spec PC? Turn the settings down.

6. "as they know that nobody will have below the minimum specs for Vista" - Being able to run an OS doesn't mean you can run a game. I could run Vista on some 600mhz machine or something. Doesn't mean it's going to run games.

In general, game requirements are higher than the OS requirements.

If you're going to argue that it isn't on Vista only because it's 'better', then at least provide a *plausible* argument.

  • 02.17.2007 9:26 AM PDT

I agree that there using halo vista so sell Vista I would do the samething but I see it also that if you want beter graphic and speed Vista the way to go. Not to be rude but if you can't upgrade for a game then, you don't want it hard enough.

[Edited on 2/17/2007]

  • 02.17.2007 9:58 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: bloodwar
I agree that there using halo vista so sell Vista I would do the samething but I see it also that if you want the good graphic and speed Vista the way to go. Not to be rude but if you can't upgrade for a game then you don't want it hard enough.


who is going to buy a new computer just for one game?

  • 02.17.2007 10:09 AM PDT

Well I guess you’re not ooo by the way you don't have to buy a whole new computer to get a new OS. You buy the vista basic upgrade for XP it $100 if you want cheap

Also I upgrade for more reason that halo2 vista but halo2 was a good reason. Why would you buy a new graphic card? To be able to play newer game that will need a better graphic card. You upgrade to expand you computer capability.


[Edited on 2/17/2007]

  • 02.17.2007 10:31 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

i boght my new computer not just becasue of halo 2 but for all of the new stuff coming out.

  • 02.17.2007 10:32 AM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Legendary Member
  • gamertag: Btcc22
  • user homepage:

Posted by: bloodwar
beter graphic and speed Vista the way to go


No, no it isn't.

Halo 2 PC uses nothing graphics wise that XP can't provide. As for DirectX7 being Vista only, that's another marketing thing.

If they allowed it on XP, it'd run faster on XP than it would on Vista...so...

  • 02.17.2007 12:10 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Btcc22
Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Posted by: darekster2ongame
Or MAYBE, just a thought, Bungie wants to use new features? Live Anywhere, future support, better resource management, better operating system. Also, Bungie will be able to take the advantage that they can design for higher ended systems, as they know that nobody will have below the minimum specs for Vista...


Thank you. You've basically summed up everything I was going to say in one neat little paragraph.


1. "Live Anywhere" - Could have been done on XP. It's not even out yet, so it's not exactly a core part of the OS, is it? Could have run on XP with Live disabled if need be.

2. "future support" - Not at all related to OS. Even so, XP will be supported for years to come.

3. "better resource management" - Doesn't really do much for a game, since the OS will be using all those resources up that XP wouldn't have done so much.

4. "better operating system" - So it means that it can't run on XP? Despite the fact it could easily have worked with either Vista AND XP?

5. "Also, Bungie will be able to take the advantage that they can design for higher ended systems" - Higher end systems which will struggle more with Halo 2 on Vista than had it been on XP? Not only this, but why do they care? I mean, there's a reason why games allow users to disable features if their PC can't cope with it. Come on, Halo 2 ran on 733mhz Xbox and nothing much is being added except the ability to play in a higher res. Low spec PC? Turn the settings down.

6. "as they know that nobody will have below the minimum specs for Vista" - Being able to run an OS doesn't mean you can run a game. I could run Vista on some 600mhz machine or something. Doesn't mean it's going to run games.

In general, game requirements are higher than the OS requirements.

If you're going to argue that it isn't on Vista only because it's 'better', then at least provide a *plausible* argument.


1. Halo 2 Vista is not the only game that is using the Live system.

2. Future Support - As I said before, H2V isn't the only game that's using the Live system. What would it be more convenient for Bungie, have to do updates on multiple operating systems, or do one quick update.

3. Better Resource Management - Hmm, I would think this would do a lot of a game, considering Halo 2 Vista will have custom, downloadable content.

4. Better Operating System - See 1, 2, 3, 5, 6

5. What are you trying to say here? "Higher end systems which will struggle more with Halo 2 on Vista than had it been on XP?" When was Halo 2 ever on XP? How would you know that? He said "Bungie will be able to take the advantage that they can design for higher ended systems" And is absolutly right...Hey, ever heard of DX10? Yeah, that's coming with Vista, why would Bungie make a game for XP, when people have cards that are DX10 that can only be used with Vista?

6. These are Vista's minimum system requirements

* A modern processor (at least 800MHz¹).
* 512 MB of system memory.
* A graphics processor that is DirectX 9 capable.
I've got a 5 year old computer that can run Halo PC, with an Nvidia TNT2 card, and a Intel Pentium 3 933mhz. This runs Halo decently too. I would not be surprised at all if you cold run Vista, you can run Halo 2. Now, it may not look the best, but I'm sure you'll be able to run it at a decent frame rate.

  • 02.17.2007 12:46 PM PDT

Posted by: spartennum117
Posted by: bloodwar
I agree that there using halo vista so sell Vista I would do the samething but I see it also that if you want the good graphic and speed Vista the way to go. Not to be rude but if you can't upgrade for a game then you don't want it hard enough.


who is going to buy a new computer just for one game?


Half-Life 2 was a good example, Crysis is another.

  • 02.17.2007 1:05 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Btcc22
Posted by: bloodwar
beter graphic and speed Vista the way to go


No, no it isn't.

Halo 2 PC uses nothing graphics wise that XP can't provide. As for DirectX7 being Vista only, that's another marketing thing.

If they allowed it on XP, it'd run faster on XP than it would on Vista...so...



DirectX7 is Vista only now!?

  • 02.17.2007 1:06 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

I can't believe I have to say this again.

CHILDREN DON'T BUY OPERATING SYSTEMS. PERIOD.

Also, anyone try and apply common sense for once? Let's look at this in the long run. How much plus sales do you think they would receive for the people who were "forced" to buy Vista in order to play Halo 2? Here's some research work for someone to do; go find out how many copies of Halo 1 PC were sold.

Now onto the site. It sucks. It's poorly constructed and it looks like some kid got a hold of daddy's Dreamweaver software and played around with a couple of tables and merger cells. Oh, and lots of info too. Too bad it's all biased.

Here's a real H2V site:

www.halo2pc.org

As well as any other sites I mention in my FAQ.

[Edited on 2/17/2007]

  • 02.17.2007 1:33 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Legendary Member
  • gamertag: Btcc22
  • user homepage:

Posted by: snowysnowcones

1. Halo 2 Vista is not the only game that is using the Live system.

2. Future Support - As I said before, H2V isn't the only game that's using the Live system. What would it be more convenient for Bungie, have to do updates on multiple operating systems, or do one quick update. If we just say for a minute that they DID have to make seperate updates, which they wouldn't have to, you're saying they'd sarcrifice a huge amount of sales to make what would be a tiny code update, because they're lazy?

3. Better Resource Management - Hmm, I would think this would do a lot of a game, considering Halo 2 Vista will have custom, downloadable content.

4. Better Operating System - See 1, 2, 3, 5, 6

5. What are you trying to say here? "Higher end systems which will struggle more with Halo 2 on Vista than had it been on XP?" When was Halo 2 ever on XP? How would you know that? He said "Bungie will be able to take the advantage that they can design for higher ended systems" And is absolutly right...Hey, ever heard of DX10? Yeah, that's coming with Vista, why would Bungie make a game for XP, when people have cards that are DX10 that can only be used with Vista?

6. These are Vista's minimum system requirements

* A modern processor (at least 800MHz¹).
* 512 MB of system memory.
* A graphics processor that is DirectX 9 capable.
I've got a 5 year old computer that can run Halo PC, with an Nvidia TNT2 card, and a Intel Pentium 3 933mhz. This runs Halo decently too. I would not be surprised at all if you cold run Vista, you can run Halo 2. Now, it may not look the best, but I'm sure you'll be able to run it at a decent frame rate.


1. Do you have a point here? Seems not.

2. Basically all XP programs work fine on Vista, especially when compatibility is kept in mind. It'd be the SAME patch for XP and Vista. It'd work on both.

3. No, I don't see what your point is. What does downloading maps have to do with memory management, sorry?

4. You have no point here.

5. I meant DX10 not 7. Not sure why I said that. DX10 cards work *FINE* with any other OS, not just Vista. Not only that, Halo 2 does not use DX10, but DX9, available in XP. DX10 could have been part of XP if Microsoft had wanted it to be (IE7 anyone?). Also, it's not been on XP, but considering Vista is more resource hungry, it's an assumption that's 100% safe to make.

6. It probably won't run at a decent frame rate.

I think that's your argument demolished. :)

Personally I feel putting it on Vista wasn't what Bungie wanted, but rather what was forced upon them (a bit like everything that was forced upon Gearbox to make Halo PC a worse port than it should have been).

[Edited on 2/17/2007]

  • 02.17.2007 1:53 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
I can't believe I have to say this again.

CHILDREN DON'T BUY OPERATING SYSTEMS. PERIOD.

Also, anyone try and apply common sense for once? Let's look at this in the long run. How much plus sales do you think they would receive for the people who were "forced" to buy Vista in order to play Halo 2? Here's some research work for someone to do; go find out how many copies of Halo 1 PC were sold.

Now onto the site. It sucks. It's poorly constructed and it looks like some kid got a hold of daddy's Dreamweaver software and played around with a couple of tables and merger cells. Oh, and lots of info too. Too bad it's all biased.

Here's a real H2V site:

www.halo2pc.org

As well as any other sites I mention in my FAQ.


Agamemmnon, you are now God. Thank you for giving quite a few people the slapping of common sense they needed.

Ten to one this is past almost everyone's time, but those of you who saw XP's release realize that everyone did the same amount of b1tching and moaning about games and programs and whatnot.

  • 02.17.2007 1:58 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Btcc22
Posted by: bloodwar
beter graphic and speed Vista the way to go


No, no it isn't.

Halo 2 PC uses nothing graphics wise that XP can't provide. As for DirectX7 being Vista only, that's another marketing thing.

If they allowed it on XP, it'd run faster on XP than it would on Vista...so...


your quite a bit behind, XP runs dx9, and vista is dx10. And XP won't support DX10 unless you get a software emulator and even then its only going to have have the horsepower as the hardware. For vista, the only graphic cards that are dx10 are the GeForce 8800 gtx.

  • 02.17.2007 2:09 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: me15ter
Agamemmnon, you are now God.

  • 02.17.2007 2:10 PM PDT

  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • of 2