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Subject: Membership later
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Poll: Should Bungie have a membership latter  [closed]
Yes :  24%
(5 Votes)
No:  48%
(10 Votes)
I don't care:  19%
(4 Votes)
what is a membership latter:  10%
(2 Votes)
Total Votes: 21

i want one because it would motivate people to post more on bungie

for example some people might just take this poll and not post, but if you have a membership latter and the more posts u do the more levels you will go up, more people would post,

and if people flame or post to much spam then demote them, it could be like a competition

i dont even know if this is possible but i think it would be kinda cool

  • 02.22.2007 5:36 AM PDT
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Congratulations, you have found a way to promote spam.
Quality over quantity, please.

A membership ladder could work in some way, but it has to be without user input, and it can't promote spam.

  • 02.22.2007 5:56 AM PDT
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Nice way to be sarcastic, just because you are a moderator doesn't mean you can say things like that when people have an idea. Maybe it does promote spam but you could have at least explained it half nicely.

  • 02.22.2007 6:01 AM PDT
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I'm sorry...but it's ladder. That's L-A-D-D-E-R. Please learn to spell.....

  • 02.22.2007 6:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: TOM T 117
Nice way to be sarcastic, just because you are a moderator doesn't mean you can say things like that when people have an idea. Maybe it does promote spam but you could have at least explained it half nicely.

Did you read his post or just pick out the parts you deemed insulting? Because if you had you would realise that what he's saying is true. People would spam the forum to get a higher post count to become "special". In the mean time, those that make well presented, thoughtful posts would just sink under the excess of spam.

  • 02.22.2007 6:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: TOM T 117
Nice way to be sarcastic, just because you are a moderator doesn't mean you can say things like that when people have an idea. Maybe it does promote spam but you could have at least explained it half nicely.

Boohoo, welcome to the internet.
I thought it was rather obvious: If posting a lot gets you a higher "rating", people will spam, post useless things and in large quantity, all for their precious "title".

PS. This is me being nice. My first post wasn't meant to harm someone, nor did I try to be a jerk, that was/is my opinion. All I can say is, that I didn't feel like explaining something that I must have done at least a thousand times already.

edit: Now I am being a jerk. Sorry. :(

[Edited on 2/22/2007]

  • 02.22.2007 6:11 AM PDT
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‘The conscious is cancerous if allowed to linger’

"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."

Sorry, I shouldn't have been so agressive. I was just so annoyed with my brother that I suppose I took it out on someone else...

  • 02.22.2007 6:12 AM PDT
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Maybe even just a points system where each person gets so many points to hand out to other Bungie.net posters each month/week. Points can be either positive or negative, based on content of posts. This way, people who post good quality posts should get higher ranks. Limiting the number of points you have to give away in a time period should be a deterrent to dumping points on one person. Also, the points should not be used to give anything other than a nice little 'rep' rank next to your name. Might be a good way for Bungie.net to recognize valued members of the community.

  • 02.22.2007 6:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: KwajKid76
Maybe even just a points system where each person gets so many points to hand out to other Bungie.net posters each month/week. Points can be either positive or negative, based on content of posts. This way, people who post good quality posts should get higher ranks. Limiting the number of points you have to give away in a time period should be a deterrent to dumping points on one person. Also, the points should not be used to give anything other than a nice little 'rep' rank next to your name. Might be a good way for Bungie.net to recognize valued members of the community.

The downfall of such systems is that they rely on honest distribution. You could make the most brilliant post but someone that doesn't like you could slate you for a past experience. People could then interpret someone's 'rep' and issue a similar value of points from what they already have. I've seen it done and done it myself.

  • 02.22.2007 6:41 AM PDT
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I understand the pitfalls of such a system....which is why I would recommend against it. The post was simply about how one could implement a system for rating posters. With all the benefits it could bring to the forums, I still think it's a bad idea.

  • 02.22.2007 6:51 AM PDT

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Why would you want to promote more posting? Do you think this forum needs that?
It's kind of neat for new forums just starting out, it's a way to bring more people in and get them to post so they can feel special, but there's really no need on a forum as active as Bungie's.

  • 02.22.2007 8:47 AM PDT
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We don't need one. The only infallible one would be join dates, and even then just for a fun rank like "Old Skoolers", "Grizzled Ancients" etc... >_>

  • 02.22.2007 8:50 AM PDT

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Two thoughts immediately jump to mind.

1) Why? Bungie.net is active enough.
2) Isn't it kind of sad we participate in a community that such a system couldn't work based on the maturity level of many, if not most, of the members? Other forums have such systems and spam is no more of a problem there than it already is here.

So, I don't want one but think it's sad we can't.

  • 02.22.2007 8:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: just another fan
Congratulations, you have found a way to promote spam.
Quality over quantity, please.

A membership ladder could work in some way, but it has to be without user input, and it can't promote spam.


He's right you know. Membership ladders create spam fests.

  • 02.22.2007 9:06 AM PDT
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Hmm, any idea what a member ladder is?

  • 02.22.2007 9:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: Frizzy
Hmm, any idea what a member ladder is?


Like when you join, you have the title "New Member" or something under your name, and when you get to 15 posts it changes to "Member", when you get to 50 it changes to another custom title, and so on and so on.
Thus, motivating people to post to get a higher ranked custom title.

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  • 02.22.2007 9:14 AM PDT
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I'd love a membership latter (you should change your title. A membership later doesn't sound very appealing). There shouldn't be an advancment for post-count for obvious reasons, bu there should be other ways to go up such as time spent here (go "Veterans"!) or whatnot. Each has its pros and cons, though all of them can promote elitism in some form. It's worth a try; I would certainly post more often if there were a membership latter.

  • 02.22.2007 9:16 AM PDT
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Like when you join, you have the title "New Member" or something under your name, and when you get to 15 posts it changes to "Member", when you get to 50 it changes to another custom title, and so on and so on.
Thus, motivating people to post to get a higher ranked custom title.


Oh I see... it's good to share opinions but I would disagree. Members would just spam and bump to get themselves higher in these "ranks".


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  • 02.22.2007 9:16 AM PDT
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Hey guys! What's going on!?

^ Yeah, that's not really needed in random threads, in my opinion.

P.S. +1 post.



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  • 02.22.2007 9:46 AM PDT
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A ladder system would work better if it was automatic in some sort. For instance, if you link your gamertag, you will be an "xbl member" rather than regular member (this is an example, and not a good one per se). I don't mind seeing more titles, but the moment quantity is involved things will get bad.

  • 02.22.2007 9:54 AM PDT

You've lost me completely.

  • 02.22.2007 12:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Piggyfool1
I'd love a membership latter (you should change your title. A membership later doesn't sound very appealing).

LOL. I love that. Correct the spelling with more bad spelling. Again, read my first post in this thread. It's spelled ladder. That's L-A-D-D-E-R. Come on kids....basic stuff here.

Ok...on to the purpose of the reply.....
If any type of ladder system is implemented it needs to be based off of quality and not quantity. Or maybe even a combination of the two. Similar to the Xbox Live 'Rep' system where you can leave either positive or negative preferences about a player, you should be able to leave a response about posters. To slow or eliminate abuse of the system, some type of check needs to be in place to prevent someone from posting multiple feedbacks on a person. Maybe limit the number of feedbacks you can leave on a person....maybe limit the number of feedbacks a person can get in a certain timeframe....maybe even limit the number of feedbacks per post the person has made. My personal favorite is the limit of feedback per post. This way, someone posts one stupid post they don't get flamed and receive tons of feedback. A small limit would suffice. But if the same person posts over and over stupid stuff, they can get more and more feedback....so the poster is the person in control over how much feedback they get.

  • 02.22.2007 12:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: KwajKid76
Posted by: Piggyfool1
I'd love a membership latter (you should change your title. A membership later doesn't sound very appealing).

LOL. I love that. Correct the spelling with more bad spelling. Again, read my first post in this thread. It's spelled ladder. That's L-A-D-D-E-R. Come on kids....basic stuff here.
I believe I was just pwned.
No comment.

  • 02.22.2007 3:58 PM PDT
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I am not quite sure, because the English language is cruel to those who use it, but I think "feedbacks" is not a word, or at least not the proper word for that context. I'm too lazy so I will let you decide upon that.

The problem with any ranking system, to me, is that it exists. But I am a naive philosopher who clings to outdated views about absolute justice and pure goodness and silly things like that. So I'm alone on that one.

So we'll say that a system is good. Now we must distribute the rank, and this is where we run into a new, and perhaps larger, problem. A perfect system would be automatic, reward good behavior and activity simultaneously, and contain ranks that would both make "lesser members" envious without making "greater members" elitist. So we cannot use a post count. That only encourages activity, and specifically a kind of activity that allows the impatient to surpass the veteran if he is careful. We cannot use a reputation system, because that relies on human input, and while some of trust the moderators to be completely fair, they are still prone to human emotions. On top of that they are humans, and so they cannot see everything in order to judge who's been naughty and who's been nice.

So now that we've managed to demolish the first two big ideas that could have worked if humanity weren't a problem, we need to find another system that at least partially fulfills all of these criteria. Achronos has stated before that there is the theoretical possiblity of a working automatic system. However, he has not divulged the specifics of his theory. To summarize his post, the system works, but it works because we do not know how it works. So trying to contemplate on theoretical systems is the downfall of these systems.

So perhaps Bungie.net does not have a ladder system because the sites that do have a ladder system can be manipulated, and people keep trying to come up with ideas about how a system might work. I have a headache now, but truly ignorance is bliss.

  • 02.22.2007 4:27 PM PDT

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