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Posted by: Aj6627
Wow!!! Can't we be nice and not all be jackasses to people?

What is wrong with our community? Is it the lack of maturity, or what?


No, It's the lack of people who know how to spell properly, how to use a period, and how to form their sentences into something legible.

Oh, and All Levels, no one here wants to go to jail. So shut up about that cracked Vista -blam!- your spewing. Microsoft will find out that you're using the trial, and five months down the road, they'll realize you're still using the trial even though it's expired. Hello Lawsuit!!! Go get blacklisted you doorknob.

  • 02.26.2007 4:09 AM PDT
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um.....shut up.

  • 02.26.2007 4:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan


No, It's the lack of people who know how to spell properly, how to use a period, and how to form their sentences into something legible.

lulz and FF2 has a speel chek ad i stil dot uz it kuz im liek gewd a speeling hurahhh :(

  • 02.26.2007 6:54 AM PDT
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Dude i dont use the trial and if i did and it xpired well thats that and yes i cant spell very well lol
but that aint my point the point is if they have the money (which im sure they do) why not make it for XP and Vista it would save a hole lot of angry fans some time to save up for vista all i want to know is the MAIN reasons why they made it for vista other than its a markiting solotion and MS probably chose it could all be true ii just want to know the plain down right facts why THEY DID

  • 02.26.2007 7:58 AM PDT
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They made it for vista becuase vista is better then XP, vista provides better gameplay then the XP and vista is supposedly lag free.

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Posted by: Haloazz
They made it for vista becuase vista is better then XP, vista provides better gameplay then the XP and vista is supposedly lag free.


No, they made it Vista only because its a marketing scheme by MS.

  • 02.26.2007 8:19 AM PDT
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i know its a markiting sceme but ppl love the game but they may be put off by the price of vista and that could be a realy big mistake

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Posted by: deathnow
i know its a markiting sceme but ppl love the game but they may be put off by the price of vista and that could be a realy big mistake


I dont think it would put off alot of people just the ones who can't be bothered to save some money up and buy Vista.

[Edited on 2/26/2007]

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where the hell have you people been, there cracks for this thing posted everyday, listen before I go on I might get banned by bungie for talks of downloading vista so if guys want help downloading it just pm me and i'll give you links for crack/download. i'm new so I would rather not pist the mods off.

You kids crack me up. It's almost as funny as, "Halo 2 Vista is Vista-exclusive so they get all the kids to buy Vista!" As children don't buy operating systems, you'll run a flag up the pole so high when you log into Windows Live with a cracked version of either Vista or Halo 2 Vista that you'll find out real quick what a court room smells like. So go ahead and play with jail time if you like; after all, it's not my life I'm wasting because I couldn't cop out $200 to upgrade.


LOLOL

they would actualy loose money taking the (thousands/ millions? )people to court, so why would micro$oft be interested in doing that? Its pretty much the same scenario as the xbox, they didnt take people to court when xbox live found people with chipped xbox's they simply just banned their xbox so it couldn't be used online. And yeh there is even cracks that allow you to download the vista updates.

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  • 02.26.2007 9:56 AM PDT

I get no one understands this, Microsoft put it on Vista for four reasons.

1. To get the best gameplay as possible.

2. For Live Anywhere.

3. For marketing purposes.

4. For DirectX10.

Complain, or don't complain. Microsoft and Bungie don't care, there are many other players out there that want Vista, be cause they have a job, fast food what ever. Halo 2 Vista will never be on XP, because Live Anywhere and graphics.

[Edited on 2/26/2007]

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Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Posted by: All_Levels
where the hell have you people been, there cracks for this thing posted everyday, listen before I go on I might get banned by bungie for talks of downloading vista so if guys want help downloading it just pm me and i'll give you links for crack/download. i'm new so I would rather not pist the mods off.

You kids crack me up. It's almost as funny as, "Halo 2 Vista is Vista-exclusive so they get all the kids to buy Vista!" As children don't buy operating systems, you'll run a flag up the pole so high when you log into Windows Live with a cracked version of either Vista or Halo 2 Vista that you'll find out real quick what a court room smells like. So go ahead and play with jail time if you like; after all, it's not my life I'm wasting because I couldn't cop out $200 to upgrade.


LOLOL

they would actualy loose money taking the (thousands/ millions? )people to court, so why would micro$oft be interested in doing that? Its pretty much the same scenario as the xbox, they didnt take people to court when xbox live found people with chipped xbox's they simply just banned their xbox so it couldn't be used online. And yeh there is even cracks that allow you to download the vista updates.

Is your common sense function broken or something? Would you like to explain to me how a lawsuit would even hurt Microsoft? Maybe even better as well when the accused is processed and is then sent to jail? Also, an Xbox is a gaming console; it would seem pretty ridiculous if kids were going to juvy, now wouldn't it? Not to mention the outrage from the parents. Microsoft didn't decide to care; they decided to avoid a mess altogether. Pirating expensive software, on the other hand, is something they care about. But it's ok; most kids have that sort of "I'm indestructible!" attitude. That is, until they actually receive a blow to the stomach and get the wind knocked out of them.

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Posted by: SuperSnorky
I get no one understands this, Microsoft put it on Vista for four reasons.

1. To get the best gameplay as possible.

2. For Live Anywhere.

3. For marketing purposes.

4. For DirectX10.

Complain, or don't complain. Microsoft and Bungie don't care, there are many other players out there that want Vista, be cause they have a job, fast food what ever. Halo 2 Vista will never be on XP, because Live Anywhere and graphics.
1. Like we can't do that with Windows XP.

2. See number 1.

3. You're right htere.

4. Halo 2 Vista, aggravatingly, won't support DirectX 10. They'll support DX10 cards, mind you, but not the DirectX drivers themselves. I think.

  • 02.26.2007 1:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Death2BlueCheese
im afraid im gonna have to confiscate your testicles.

What are you, the Cyber police? lol.

Kind of off subject but:

I forgot when Vista came out like I forgot to start saving up for it!

Why me...

*Starts to bang head on desk*

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Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Posted by: RapieR_iPro
Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Posted by: All_Levels
where the hell have you people been, there cracks for this thing posted everyday, listen before I go on I might get banned by bungie for talks of downloading vista so if guys want help downloading it just pm me and i'll give you links for crack/download. i'm new so I would rather not pist the mods off.

You kids crack me up. It's almost as funny as, "Halo 2 Vista is Vista-exclusive so they get all the kids to buy Vista!" As children don't buy operating systems, you'll run a flag up the pole so high when you log into Windows Live with a cracked version of either Vista or Halo 2 Vista that you'll find out real quick what a court room smells like. So go ahead and play with jail time if you like; after all, it's not my life I'm wasting because I couldn't cop out $200 to upgrade.


LOLOL

they would actualy loose money taking the (thousands/ millions? )people to court, so why would micro$oft be interested in doing that? Its pretty much the same scenario as the xbox, they didnt take people to court when xbox live found people with chipped xbox's they simply just banned their xbox so it couldn't be used online. And yeh there is even cracks that allow you to download the vista updates.

Is your common sense function broken or something? Would you like to explain to me how a lawsuit would even hurt Microsoft? Maybe even better as well when the accused is processed and is then sent to jail? Also, an Xbox is a gaming console; it would seem pretty ridiculous if kids were going to juvy, now wouldn't it? Not to mention the outrage from the parents. Microsoft didn't decide to care; they decided to avoid a mess altogether. Pirating expensive software, on the other hand, is something they care about. But it's ok; most kids have that sort of "I'm indestructible!" attitude. That is, until they actually receive a blow to the stomach and get the wind knocked out of them.


Ok, so pursuing a lawsuit against thousands of people wouldn't take money and time now would it? How many lawyers from differant countries would they have to get to take the majority of people to court? The amount of research that would be involved in attempting to get the contact details would lead to lots of $$$ spent funding it, they would actualy have to go through every ISP and try to get their contact details... (more than likely the user will be runing on a proxy server which will mean more time and money wasted) .. the user isnt going to reply if they are contacted which will then lead to more time and money in attempting to get them to court.. they will then have to prove who downloaded vista.. if it was the parent they could easily lay the blame on their child if they have any; which would mess the thing up for the microsoft lawyers.. and if there person has committed no offences in there life before, there either just going to get a warning or a small fine. Dno where u live u talk like you would get hung..

Theres a whole load of excuses that could be used with this.. "i didnt realise, i bought this computer from a computer fair and the person said it was a legal version of vista pre installed on the hard drive" or somethin that they would be able to check back to, it would be hard proving whether the person has committed a crime or not from the ms lawyers point of view.

which is pretty much why you wont see many lawsuits

But yeah it is worth buyin vista as it really is an oustanding os system.

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  • 02.26.2007 4:29 PM PDT

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You people really need to study programming, because I am getting tired of hearing this. For the last time:

Vista is fundamentally different than XP in execution of everything, Windows and Mac OS share a lot of features, and just as that doesn't mean their the same, so it is with XP and Vista. They have the same features, but they work differently in the background. Would you really want Vista to change all the stuff you know how to use in XP?

Vista runs graphics differently than XP, at the most basic level. The DX10 API takes advantage of this, and is so changed from DX9, that it can't work with XP, or, there would be no point in getting it to work with XP as it would not be any better than DX9 on XP as XP can't impliment the new functions.

The effort to write a patch for XP is not economically worth it, the graphics engine in Vista is entirely new code, there is no reason to try and stick it in an old operating system. Just because they were nice and made it so that Vista can use DX9 doesn't mean it works backwards.


As an example, let's say XP is programmed to make use of 9 values for processing graphics, and DX9 is therefore designed to put out 9 values.

Let's say Vista is designed to accept 20 values. Because a lot of the basic functions may work in the same way between DX10 and DX9, it can still work using 9 values, but obviously you won't get all the cool stuff, and so DX10 is designed to put out 20 values.

So now you want to make XP use DX10. But XP can only take 9 values from DX10, not the full 20, and so you have DX10 spewing out 20 different values into memory, and XP is only looking for 9, so it grabs 9, and uses them as it's designed, leaving the other 11 values unused. What you get then, is, at best, identical graphics to DX9.

But it's more than the API that's changed, it's also the graphics libraries, and the exact definitions of the functions have likely changed to make use of the increase in useable values, and so DX10 won't work properly, even though XP is getting values, because DX10 is also expecting the operating system to send it values back, which Vista does in a different way than XP, and so the functions don't work, and crash.

Changing XP to use DX10 would require changing the entirety of XP's graphics engine, while still making it compatible with the rest of XP. You will have to likely alter those parts a little too.

And in the end, you have, basically, XPsta. The cost of development to get it to work is pointless, that same graphics engine was put into Vista, the whole point of Vista is that it's the next generation of Windows, with all the new stuff that's been developed since XP, released to cover the costs of that development and future development.

It makes no business sense to wase resources updating an old operating system to nex-gen standards when you can release all of next-gen at once. To the minimal user, who just uses the computer to wright things and fire-off e-mails, they can just use Win2000, to the corporate user or more advanced user, Vista can be a lot more useful than XP, and to the Gamer, Vista will be a big improvement over XP.

I don't think many people considered XP a big gaming improvement over Win98SE at launch, but now it's as good as or better. Give people time to get software out for Vista, and stop -blam!-ing about DX10 not being on XP.

  • 02.27.2007 10:40 AM PDT
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Agamemnon582bc:

"If you honestly think you can bypass Microsoft on its game, its gaming system, and its brand new operating system and not be noticed at all, while, at the same time, playing the said game on the said online gaming system on the said cracked operating system, then you seriously need some help."

Errr, I think it is you that needs help newbie... What you just said has already been accomplished in the past.
Everything Microsoft make gets cracked\bypassed, etc.

Vista trial. LoL! Free Vista give away... Set BIOS date to 2099, install, set back to 2007. Volla, unlimited Vista.

5 years of the making to focus on security updates for that. Haha!


Haloazz:

"They made it for vista becuase vista is better then XP, vista provides better gameplay then the XP and vista is supposedly lag free."


Halo 2 Vista is not incorporating any Windows Vista technologys, such as DirectX 10.
On the lag side, if Halo 2 lags under XP, 2000, etc, then its due to lowzy Microsoft programming. Games that are much more sophisticated, such as Quake 4, run fine under XP.


"I dont think it would put off alot of people just the ones who can't be bothered to save some money up and buy Vista."

I do not think people not going to Vista is money related. Lets be realistic, nearly everyone has a pirated version of Windows.
I think people don't want to goto Vista because there is no realistic reason to goto Vista. What does Vista seriously do that XP can't? What, show thumbnail on the start bar? Big -blam!-! Thats not a neccessity, its probably not even a luxury. I beleive its just junk thrown in to make Vista look totally different from XP.


SuperSnorky:


"2. For Live Anywhere."

This technology could of been implemented into XP and 2000.

"4. For DirectX10."

Halo 2 Vista is not using any DirectX 10 technology. :)

"Halo 2 Vista will never be on XP, because Live Anywhere and graphics."

Games with better graphics run fine on Windows 2000, and Unreal 3 which is in development will be able to run on Windows 2000. :)


Synthmilk:

You may understand how Windows Vista works, but sadly your not so bright.

They could simply build it for XP, and it would still run under Vista as its backwards compatible with Windows XP>95.

[Edited on 2/27/2007]

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Hey everyone! Let's jump on in and beat the crap out of the dead horse!

Errr, I think it is you that needs help newbie... What you just said has already been accomplished in the past.
Everything Microsoft make gets cracked\bypassed, etc.

Vista trial. LoL! Free Vista give away... Set BIOS date to 2099, install, set back to 2007. Volla, unlimited Vista.

Yeah, and online updates of just about any Microsoft program aren't able to check what verion of Vista you have. LoL!

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Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Hey everyone! Let's jump on in and beat the crap out of the dead horse!


Are you referring to the thread, or Kolusion? I'm hoping it's the latter.

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It is the latter. Oh, and hi. :)

  • 02.28.2007 7:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: Kolusion
Synthmilk:

You may understand how Windows Vista works, but sadly your not so bright.

They could simply build it for XP, and it would still run under Vista as its backwards compatible with Windows XP>95.


Yes, they could "simply build it for XP", but sadly, Vista is sporting an all new networking system, and just maybe, it's better than the XP system. Let us also assume for a moment, that the same issue between Live Anywhere and XP is similar in nature to the issue between DX10 and XP, in that it makes use of features and functions that either do not exist in XP, or are different in fundamentally important ways, so that the effort required to "update" (replace) the XP networking system, is not worth it.

Also, perhaps the Vista networking system allows for tighter security without hindering performance. Perhaps it includes far better tools to allow developers to impliment their own network security measures. Is this the case? I don't know, I haven't checked around like I did for DX10, but don't you think it's likely, seeing as Microsoft is ramping up it's "Games for Windows" marketing? Would be an embarissment if hacking and cheating as seen in many online games is rampant in Vista generation games, no?

I still trust Bungie, and so I trust that they put Halo 2 on Vista because it will be better on Vista than it could be on XP.

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LoL @ still trust Bungie... Bungie doesn't exist anymore in the sence of what you think. Bungie is now simply a trading name that Microsoft use... Bungie is Microsoft and Microsoft is Bungie.

Sorry to brake the ice. :)

  • 02.28.2007 7:11 PM PDT
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hey dude no offence or anything but can u put the 2 things u said in english plz

  • 03.06.2007 11:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Posted by: deathnow
hey dude no offence or anything but can u put the 2 things u said in english plz


Is anyone else laughing at the irony here?

  • 03.06.2007 11:59 AM PDT
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Yes, didn't you know that Vista includes 100% new networking protocols, and as a result you can only now network with other Vista machines with compatible software?

On a more serious note, these threads are getting really boring. ;)

It's obvious many different people have many different opinions of why XP is better than Vista for gaming and vice versa and whether or not Halo 2 should have been XP or not.

  • 03.06.2007 12:12 PM PDT

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