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Posted by: Nessy
I would give 500 pounds for halo 2 to have halo 1 netcode.


your clearly backward then, I think nessy is scared of playing on a even battle field where every1 aims staight to the head, and you wont get away with basically a 'knowledge aim' of where to miss your shot to actualy kill the person. Halo2 takes skill and if you wont to keep complaining like a little -blam!-, play me on H2 and i will take u to school. I'm suprised halo pc competitively lasted for around 2 years with such an awful netcode

I wouldn't expect H2V to last as long if it has a bad net code with halo3 just around the corner, I for one will move straight to h3

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Posted by: Nessy
I would give 500 pounds for halo 2 to have halo 1 netcode.


your clearly backward then, I think nessy is scared of playing on a even battle field where every1 aims staight to the head, and you wont get away with basically a 'knowledge aim' of where to miss your shot to actualy kill the person. Halo2 takes skill and if you wont to keep complaining like a little -blam!-, play me on H2 and i will take u to school. I'm suprised halo pc competitively lasted for around 2 years with such an awful netcode

I wouldn't expect H2V to last as long if it has a bad net code with halo3 just around the corner, I for one will move straight to h3


Too bad it really does take more skill to compensate for lag and lead your shots. If you're looking for REALITY, then go join the army. These are videogames, and having fatal flaws in them actually can make them more fun than you could imagine. Nothing is more satisfying than knowing that you got someone because you know the game better, instead of just being able to point directly at a head and click away. That's just simple coordination.

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more fun? i beg to differ its more frustrating for me. I wonder why all games dont bone their final coding of the game so it lags like hell and you have to lead like on halo, because yeh its more fun cough cough

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So wait halo pc isn't an even battlefield? Do I have supreme Scottish infinite health hacks? It is even lol, trust me. Infact since I often play with 200 ping, I am actually handicapped.

Also talking about it not being fun, and halo 2 is? SWORD I WIN HAHAHAHA. That is fun? Everybody knows that halo 2 is the simple pr0 gamer wanna be game that is so incredibly pathetically skillessly simple that any moron can pick it up and be "good". Look at halo PC pr0s and then halo 2 pr0s. Halo PC pr0s kill with aiming, Halo 2 pr0s kill with autoaiming.

How could anyone take you seriously when you say halo 2 takes skill? so what is the skilled part exactly? Holding unrespawning weapons? holind overpowered weapons? Supreme bullet magnetism and autoaim?

Clearly a wanna be pr0 threatening to "take me to school" on a game that takes minimal skill.

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I hope you or 1 of your friends(lol I would be suprised if you have any) have an xbox, they dont even need xbox live we will go on xbox connect. And we'll go 1v1, by wat you have just said the game takes no skill so it should end up 15-15 score right? 50/50 chance of killing each other? I really hope you back up what you have just said and play me in a 1v1.

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In Halo PC when there is a pro vs a "new person" it will end up somewhere between 15-0, and 15-5.
I played Halo 2 in a lan against a regular, I got beat bad, but I still got 8 kills. He and I had another match on Halo PC, I beat him 15-3.

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Posted by: RapieR_iPro
I hope you or 1 of your friends(lol I would be suprised if you have any) have an xbox, they dont even need xbox live we will go on xbox connect. And we'll go 1v1, by wat you have just said the game takes no skill so it should end up 15-15 score right? 50/50 chance of killing each other? I really hope you back up what you have just said and play me in a 1v1.


Not really lol, if you flip a coin 1000 times does it end up 500 heads and 500 tails? No? Then surely that is also a skill.

All you have to do is remember what to do in what order or get a lucky spawn. The battle rifle for example, the apparent pistol replacement. How can it truly be skill when bullets are not even nearly accurate, a random spray of 3 in a vicinity.

Now, you have still not answered my question, what is the skill in halo 2?

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Posted by: Nessy
Posted by: RapieR_iPro
I hope you or 1 of your friends(lol I would be suprised if you have any) have an xbox, they dont even need xbox live we will go on xbox connect. And we'll go 1v1, by wat you have just said the game takes no skill so it should end up 15-15 score right? 50/50 chance of killing each other? I really hope you back up what you have just said and play me in a 1v1.


Not really lol, if you flip a coin 1000 times does it end up 500 heads and 500 tails? No? Then surely that is also a skill.

All you have to do is remember what to do in what order or get a lucky spawn. The battle rifle for example, the apparent pistol replacement. How can it truly be skill when bullets are not even nearly accurate, a random spray of 3 in a vicinity.

Now, you have still not answered my question, what is the skill in halo 2?


QFT.

The only thing Halo2 is good at is being ..."fun". (Happy Master Kim? so don't blurt out your roller coaster analogy). Halo2 takes no skill at all.

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Halo1 takes more skill than Halo2 easily.

And when the hell is H2V going to be released :<

[Edited on 3/11/2007]

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Posted by: Nessy
I would give 500 pounds for halo 2 to have halo 1 netcode.


You do mean 500 pounds as in the money they use in the UK, and not 500 lbs from your body right lol.

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I would give 500 pounds for halo 2 to have halo 1 netcode.


Your on your own there. You might be happy with pwning people who cant shoot back at you because your warping about on 200+ ping, but most are not.

As for arguments about bungie not releasing info about halo2, well tbh they should have more sense. The halo series is widely seen as a bungie/microsoft thing (and most know microsoft doesnt care), and the utter lack of updates does indeed make it seem like Bungie doesnt give a toss.

After all, I assume hiredgun are being employed by bungie/microsoft to do it.

Its like Inspire said, the halo PC players got a godawful port last time, and all we got in response was 'we didnt port it.' And nothing else.

Even if its being ported by a third party, you would expect semi regular updates on it at least.

It does plainly seem to me, that bungie just care about the Xbox and halo3. It looks, as far as they are concerned, that the PC users can just add to the coffers after a cheap port. There are already things dropped from H2 Vista, which doesnt help things.

If Bungie care or not I dont know, but by all means the impression given out is that they dont.

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Posted by: RapieR_iPro
I hope you or 1 of your friends(lol I would be suprised if you have any) have an xbox, they dont even need xbox live we will go on xbox connect. And we'll go 1v1, by wat you have just said the game takes no skill so it should end up 15-15 score right? 50/50 chance of killing each other? I really hope you back up what you have just said and play me in a 1v1.


Not really lol, if you flip a coin 1000 times does it end up 500 heads and 500 tails? No? Then surely that is also a skill.

All you have to do is remember what to do in what order or get a lucky spawn. The battle rifle for example, the apparent pistol replacement. How can it truly be skill when bullets are not even nearly accurate, a random spray of 3 in a vicinity.

Now, you have still not answered my question, what is the skill in halo 2?


k, h1 pistol takes 3 single shots to kill some1

the h2 br takes 4 burst shots to kill some1 with all 3 bullets in each burst hitting as well

Simple math there nessy, which 1 do you think will take more skill to kill some1? Lead and all that other crap doesnt come into, were talkin about which would take more skill to use using these weapons and its halo2.

Leading to my next point.. if you played some1 in a 1vs1 on halo1 online and the other person did not know about leading (for example some1 the same skill as you who thought u aim at head to kill right?), what would the score be.. 15-0, 15-1? If you played the same person on a LAN where you both aim to the head (roughly) what do you expect the score to be now? A hell of a lot closer. The point i am trying to make is that on halo1pc the skill of aiming doesnt come into it at as much, its all about the knowledge side of how to aim (missing) which isnt skill imo.

and nessy i see you completely ignored my challenge to a 1v1, please dont reply if you aint going to back up what your said earlier

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Posted by: RapieR_iPro
k, h1 pistol takes 3 single shots to kill some1

the h2 br takes 4 burst shots to kill some1 with all 3 bullets in each burst hitting as well

Simple math there nessy, which 1 do you think will take more skill to kill some1? Lead and all that other crap doesnt come into, were talkin about which would take more skill to use using these weapons and its halo2.

Leading to my next point.. if you played some1 in a 1vs1 on halo1 online and the other person did not know about leading (for example some1 the same skill as you who thought u aim at head to kill right?), what would the score be.. 15-0, 15-1? If you played the same person on a LAN where you both aim to the head (roughly) what do you expect the score to be now? A hell of a lot closer. The point i am trying to make is that on halo1pc the skill of aiming doesnt come into it at as much, its all about the knowledge side of how to aim (missing) which isnt skill imo.

and nessy i see you completely ignored my challenge to a 1v1, please dont reply if you aint going to back up what your said earlier

LMAO!!!

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Posted by: RapieR_iPro
I hope you or 1 of your friends(lol I would be suprised if you have any) have an xbox, they dont even need xbox live we will go on xbox connect. And we'll go 1v1, by wat you have just said the game takes no skill so it should end up 15-15 score right? 50/50 chance of killing each other? I really hope you back up what you have just said and play me in a 1v1.


Not really lol, if you flip a coin 1000 times does it end up 500 heads and 500 tails? No? Then surely that is also a skill.

All you have to do is remember what to do in what order or get a lucky spawn. The battle rifle for example, the apparent pistol replacement. How can it truly be skill when bullets are not even nearly accurate, a random spray of 3 in a vicinity.

Now, you have still not answered my question, what is the skill in halo 2?


k, h1 pistol takes 3 single shots to kill some1

the h2 br takes 4 burst shots to kill some1 with all 3 bullets in each burst hitting as well

Simple math there nessy, which 1 do you think will take more skill to kill some1? Lead and all that other crap doesnt come into, were talkin about which would take more skill to use using these weapons and its halo2.

Leading to my next point.. if you played some1 in a 1vs1 on halo1 online and the other person did not know about leading (for example some1 the same skill as you who thought u aim at head to kill right?), what would the score be.. 15-0, 15-1? If you played the same person on a LAN where you both aim to the head (roughly) what do you expect the score to be now? A hell of a lot closer. The point i am trying to make is that on halo1pc the skill of aiming doesnt come into it at as much, its all about the knowledge side of how to aim (missing) which isnt skill imo.

and nessy i see you completely ignored my challenge to a 1v1, please dont reply if you aint going to back up what your said earlier


LMFAO, firstly I don't even own halo 2 anymore for obvious reasons. Secondly, you are saying because it takes more bullets to kill it takes more skill? So that would mean that if I used an assault rifle at long range, that would also take more skill, afterall it takes 10x as many bullets to kill? No, you see the battle rifle has an absolutely crap load of variation, and out of each burst, all that you can rely on that all bullets hit is LUCK. That is right, LUCK. With the pistol, there is variation, but about 1% of the variation you gets with the battle rifle, which is btw alot closer range, with mroe autoaim and in halo 2 people move slower as well. CASE CLOSED.

Leading takes skill, you are saying ti is just the knowledge of leading? Yeah, right. It is all about judgement, just like aiming is, except this is far more judgement. Judgement which is not needed in h2 as the game practically aims for you.

And not only does halo 2 take far less skill that halo pc, it also takes far less skill than halo xbox. Now, you can not use the leading is skilless arguement there, so would you not have to agree that halo 2 is indeed a nerfed game in comparison to its prequil?

Oh and btw, the immature idiot that called me stupid or whatever. I own people in halo pc with high ping without warping. I do know alot about halo and halo pc and I do know that without the bad netcode, the game would take far less skill.

Imagine clicking on icons on your desktop if you will, now imagine those desktop items as spartans heads, and there you have the difficulty that would be needed. People that have played with me on a UK server know how often I headshot, now imagine how much worse it would be should halo have had xbox style lead.

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Posted by: RapieR_iPro
I hope you or 1 of your friends(lol I would be suprised if you have any) have an xbox, they dont even need xbox live we will go on xbox connect. And we'll go 1v1, by wat you have just said the game takes no skill so it should end up 15-15 score right? 50/50 chance of killing each other? I really hope you back up what you have just said and play me in a 1v1.


Not really lol, if you flip a coin 1000 times does it end up 500 heads and 500 tails? No? Then surely that is also a skill.

All you have to do is remember what to do in what order or get a lucky spawn. The battle rifle for example, the apparent pistol replacement. How can it truly be skill when bullets are not even nearly accurate, a random spray of 3 in a vicinity.

Now, you have still not answered my question, what is the skill in halo 2?


k, h1 pistol takes 3 single shots to kill some1

the h2 br takes 4 burst shots to kill some1 with all 3 bullets in each burst hitting as well

Simple math there nessy, which 1 do you think will take more skill to kill some1? Lead and all that other crap doesnt come into, were talkin about which would take more skill to use using these weapons and its halo2.

Leading to my next point.. if you played some1 in a 1vs1 on halo1 online and the other person did not know about leading (for example some1 the same skill as you who thought u aim at head to kill right?), what would the score be.. 15-0, 15-1? If you played the same person on a LAN where you both aim to the head (roughly) what do you expect the score to be now? A hell of a lot closer. The point i am trying to make is that on halo1pc the skill of aiming doesnt come into it at as much, its all about the knowledge side of how to aim (missing) which isnt skill imo.

and nessy i see you completely ignored my challenge to a 1v1, please dont reply if you aint going to back up what your said earlier

Jesus Christ, you wouldn't even be able to argue yourself out of a paper bag if you even tried.

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you know what i will keep this short and sweet your a -blam!- retard

you dont even understand the point i was trying to make comparing the pistol and br, you just gona off talking a complete load of BS. I comapred the br and pistol because they are your standard weapons that you will use to kill some1. The BR is a modified pistol, instead now you have to fire another shot and make sure that all the bursts hit which isnt terribly difficult.

And its luck is it now that each burst will hit? you want to tell me how its luck when the 3 bullets fire in less than half a second so why the hell wudnt they hit the target.

Its not -blam!- skill knowing how to lead, its knowledge. so when you first played halo pc you was born with a natural skill of leading your shots?

And yeah I didnt expect you to play me in a 1v1,

you know nothin about halo2 game play just stfu kiddy

I will try not reply on this topic again unless nessy posts something retarded again, you clearly like halo1 and i like halo2. and please stop rambling on about auto aim, its not even in the pc version.

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Posted by: RapieR_iPro
you know what i will keep this short and sweet your a -blam!- retard

you dont even understand the point i was trying to make comparing the pistol and br, you just gona off talking a complete load of BS. I comapred the br and pistol because they are your standard weapons that you will use to kill some1. The BR is a modified pistol, instead now you have to fire another shot and make sure that all the bursts hit which isnt terribly difficult.

And its luck is it now that each burst will hit? you want to tell me how its luck when the 3 bullets fire in less than half a second so why the hell wudnt they hit the target.

Its not -blam!- skill knowing how to lead, its knowledge. so when you first played halo pc you was born with a natural skill of leading your shots?

And yeah I didnt expect you to play me in a 1v1,

you know nothin about halo2 game play just stfu kiddy

I will try not reply on this topic again unless nessy posts something retarded again, you clearly like halo1 and i like halo2. and please stop rambling on about auto aim, its not even in the pc version.

Wow, this was a well-constructed argument. Full rapage of the English language; comparing one weapon to a completely different other one in two completely different games; 1v1 apparently being your ultimatum to solve the argument; you knocked em' dead, kid.

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Kay, no autoaim in the pc version means more skill btw, thanks for backing me up there.

Also, when you fire the battle rifle, how can you "make sure" all 3 shots hit at long range? You can't, otherwise known as luck. Also there is extreme autoaim which you seem to like to ignore. So knowing how to lead in halo PC is not skill and is knowledge? Well lets say you could beat me in halo 2, you aren't using skill, you are using knowledge.

Halo 2 has the sword, super vehicles, lock on rockets, dual wielding forcing several weapons to be obsolete when on their own, characters moving slower that the gameplay should allow, and many other skill impeding properties. So, if leading isn't a skill in halo PC, then every other aspect of it is, like normal aim, which halo 2 lacks regardless.

So, lets ask again, what is the skill in halo 2?

Oh, and btw, you said that since the three bullets fire in under half a second why wouldn't they hit the target? Well, why not move far away from a wall

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...Halo 2 takes skill, I'm not going to bother explaining it here, and there aren't magic "magnetic bullets". Most weapons don't spray bullets, the have a calculated trajectory. Et Cetera.

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You guys above bickering about Halo vs Halo 2: you are all retarded. "Skill" is so relative, talk about it somewhere else. And don't even get me started on "net code." You guys have no idea what even goes into that so you can't go comparing them. Halo 2 on Xbox does a lot of tricks to "remove lag"... it doesn't go away, they just give you the illusion of a lan by giving the client some power over the game determining a hit.

Halo PC simply didn't do that because it would have taken a complete redesign of the networking, on the scale of the work that was done for Halo 2. For whatever reason, time, budget, it didn't make sense to turn Halo PC into a console multiplayer experience... when you think about it, the idea of "leading" is prevalent in almost every FPS for the PC. If you play those games, you have to get used to it because that's the easiest and most widely used standard design for handling the internet networking. Traditional multiplayer FPS on PC uses a system where the server has full authority over things like hits, kills, player positions, pretty much everything. If your PC doesn't match up because of latency, the game views that as your problem and we introduce the idea that you have to anticipate events for the server to match up with your intentions. Besides being simpler, this design makes cheating a lot harder... imagine if Halo reported a kill every time you fired when your sniper reticle was red over someone's head: once somebody figured out how to fake that signal, there would be no end to the cheating. The current design is tough for new people, but it works and keeps the game safe.

Also, designing a system like Halo 2's networking is vastly complicated. Let me say that again, none of you with your fancy C++ books or your high school programming class could fix it in a weekend. So stop complaining: it cannot be easily fixed and there is zero reason to, from a business standpoint. I don't know what they're doing with Halo 2 Vista, but either way I think they have the resources to make their decision work well.

No, I don't work at Bungie, but maybe I should.

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Okay you are telling us what we know? How the hell can you tell me what I know and what I don't. And starting an arguement by calling everyone else retarded is probably one of the worst ways to show a good arguement.

Also, the next 2 paragraphs you posted, let me sum it up for you: Making a game is difficult. There you go. Don't try to make yourself sound smart by saying all this stuff about netcode. Then you explain to us what lead is. Then you give no information and simply say "that is complicated". This doesn't make you smart, and why the hell should you work at bungie?

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