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Subject: Are you getting tired of the lack of information on H2V?
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Posted by: NessyOh and btw, the immature idiot that called me stupid or whatever. I own people in halo pc with high ping without warping. I do know alot about halo and halo pc and I do know that without the bad netcode, the game would take far less skill.

Imagine clicking on icons on your desktop if you will, now imagine those desktop items as spartans heads, and there you have the difficulty that would be needed. People that have played with me on a UK server know how often I headshot, now imagine how much worse it would be should halo have had xbox style lead.


So do I, as I have played it since it came out. I also know how lag works, lead, etc etc etc so dont do the explanations.

Point is, 200+ ping people lag and warp. It might not be often, but they do. And quite often it has an edge in a pistol fight. How do I know? Well, because Ive been playing for x years since its out. I have also played when I had a bad ping. My expirence of this (on much more than one occasion) was that while annoying for me, it was more annoying for others. It was easier for me than them.

Im not saying your crap, or that Im better than you (Im not, because I dont play often now, too busy). My point is that wanting faulty netcode borders on the retarded. Judging by the amount you boast, you would pay for the netcode too.

[sarcasm] Yeah, I want people appearing out of nowhere and gunning me down in seemingly one shot from a pistol because they warped. Yes, I really want hogs flying out of nowhere. Yes I really want to be warped miles away when a vehicle overturns. [/sarcasm]

Ive nothing against leading, but I do dislike the netcode in haloPC.

  • 03.13.2007 7:20 AM PDT
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I think alot of you seem to exaggerate the netcode in halo PC. Unless you are constantly warping everywhere, a player with low ping has an advantage over a player with a high ping. I play with high ping alot and only warp during times when anyone would, such as bump lag.

Oh and btw, yes, I would pay for this bad netcode. It was a mistake, but the so was the pistol.

  • 03.13.2007 7:33 AM PDT
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I think you simply trump it because it gives you the advantage. And you paying for it...well that simply says lots tbh. One of the cretins that prefers 'owning' people over fun.

  • 03.13.2007 7:41 AM PDT
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Well I highly doubt that, since all of my favourite games and games that take a high amount of skill, not games that make me better than others.

Also what is wrong with me saying I would pay for the netcode? It is fun to play, by the sounds of things you are one of the people who find gameplay lacking and nice looks fun, since you can't seem to deal with a bullet not killing someone if it shouldn't of hit them. It is the gameplay that counts.

Also I can't believe you are actually saying that high ping is an advantage lol.

  • 03.13.2007 7:47 AM PDT
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First point shot down by the fact you boast excessivly.

Second, youd pay for something the vast majority dont like.

Third, I like gameplay over graphics (if thats what your saying, dont really understand). Thats why I still play games like syndicate wars, Moo2, myth etc.

4th, generally no, but it seems that in halopc it is. I certainly did better with it, although it annoyed a lot more people.

  • 03.13.2007 7:59 AM PDT
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Okay, where in my post did I boast? I love when people make up stuff to push their own arguement.

Secondly you say that the vast majority dislike the netcode, this might be true, but all competitive halo pc players love it. However, you are the only person I have EVER encountered that says that high ping is better, so really it is you that is against the majority more than I.

I am guessing that you played halo pc for like an hour or so right?

  • 03.13.2007 8:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: Nessy
Okay, where in my post did I boast? I love when people make up stuff to push their own arguement.

Secondly you say that the vast majority dislike the netcode, this might be true, but all competitive halo pc players love it. However, you are the only person I have EVER encountered that says that high ping is better, so really it is you that is against the majority more than I.

I am guessing that you played halo pc for like an hour or so right?


So let me get this straight:

A "competitive halo player" is one who doesn't like playing the game the way it's meant to be played.

Interesting.

I thought a competitive player of any game was one who sought to be the best within the rules of the game, and playing it the way the designers intended.

And I have noticed that people with ping in the 200's to 300's have the advantage, it's very difficult to anticipate the lead necessary for them, and they don't seem to have as much trouble getting their shots to land. It's the ping "sweet spot" where the people with that ping don't have much more lag than on a better server, but the others with lower ping are seeing that person warping and as having a much greater lead required than others in the same game. I have noticed this when it's happened to me a couple of times, people couldn't land shots on me much, but I didn't really have that much trouble hitting them, but those servers are too laggy for my taste.

And I know this is the case because I ran into a few people I have played with before and got my ass handed too me, but I was able to beat them quite easily, on the same map, same weapons.

  • 03.13.2007 9:18 AM PDT

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NO, I am Not in this, You guys aren't going to be heard, petitions won't work. And I have contacts in the CMT

[Edited on 3/13/2007]

  • 03.13.2007 9:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: checkertail
Posted by: Master Kim
Posted by: Iggwilv
We maybe the smallest forums on this site but we will be heard.
Long Live Mawzors!

Posted by: Btcc22
See you there. ;)

NO, I am Not in this, You guys aren't going to be heard, petitions won't work. And I have contacts in the CMT
1 it already happened 2 we got somewhat of a resopnse and that already proves you wrong at the part where you said it will not get heard, also it wasnt a petition numb nuts. and who cares about CMT in this? even if masterz knows somebody who works for bungie, they wont tell or wont know cause as posted by the bungie person in this tread HIRED GUN omfg is the people who are porting the game and if you want info you have to talk to them or wait for them

  • 03.13.2007 9:32 AM PDT
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Lmao, have you even ever played with 300 ping, to bo honest, I would love to play in a server that I got 33 ping and you got 300 and then see who you think got the advantage, you are clearly talking out your ass now.

Also, who said that is the game the way it is meant to be played? That was halo, halo pc is meant to be palyed online, and guess what, the ENTIRE competitive community believes that it would be too easy without lead.

Could you find me 1 montage where there is a good player owning with 300 ping? Nah, I didn't think so, because that player doesn't exist. You know that on 300 ping if you warp to their eyes, you warp to your own as well right?

[Edited on 3/13/2007]

  • 03.13.2007 10:56 AM PDT

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Nessy, obviously your knowlege of how such things work is limited, otherwise you would know that what you just said concerning somone seeing you warp, and you obviously then seeing yourself warp, is utter crap.

If your computer itself is what is causing you to have the high ping, such as your pushing your machine too hard, or you have something else eating up your bandwidth, then you both see it.

If it's purely distance related, then things get more fun, because then it's a game of who the server likes best, and how the game decides to compensate. What happens is, the server apparently favours you, the slow guy, so to you it seems like you are running normal, and they are running normal, but to them, your suck at one point, and then appear at another, as the server can only update their games as fast as it can recieve your signal, but can update yours constantly with their data as they have the better connection.

Your in the UK playing U.S. servers, you have a decent internet connection and so you get around 300's in ping, entirely caused by the distance between you and the U.S. server, it's not that bad and so your in that "sweet spot" I mentioned, as Halo's net code spends the resources to make your connection as good as possible. Now I bet you do see some warping, but it's not as bad as the other guys, which is my point, you can see and play the game as if there was less lag than the other guys, and so while it is you who is lagging, it is you who has advantage.

I hope that was repetitive and clear enough for you to understand.

The way other games work, is they do not favour the longer distance player, they virtually screw the longer distance player by not putting much effort into trying to keep them in the game.

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Posted by: checkertail
NO, I am Not in this, You guys aren't going to be heard, petitions won't work. And I have contacts in the CMT
Guess what? We've been heard; Bungie knows and respects us well enough to pay attention. By the way, this wasn't a petition, retard. (Even then, petitions do work, although not very often...)

And excuse my ignorance, but what the hell does having contacts in CMT have to do with this? I have Masterz1337's Xfire. Big deal.

  • 03.13.2007 11:20 AM PDT
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Just ignore the little New Mombastard. He's lost and afraid. The little ankle biter found his way into the big boys forum and decided to post some nonsense.

  • 03.13.2007 11:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: Nessy
Lmao, have you even ever played with 300 ping, to bo honest, I would love to play in a server that I got 33 ping and you got 300 and then see who you think got the advantage, you are clearly talking out your ass now.

Also, who said that is the game the way it is meant to be played? That was halo, halo pc is meant to be palyed online, and guess what, the ENTIRE competitive community believes that it would be too easy without lead.

Could you find me 1 montage where there is a good player owning with 300 ping? Nah, I didn't think so, because that player doesn't exist. You know that on 300 ping if you warp to their eyes, you warp to your own as well right?
evil lil elmo plays with 250 ping the last i checked

  • 03.13.2007 11:33 AM PDT
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Oh how wonderful, 200 ping! This must be my lucky day.

  • 03.13.2007 11:40 AM PDT
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Nessy, obviously your knowlege of how such things work is limited, otherwise you would know that what you just said concerning somone seeing you warp, and you obviously then seeing yourself warp, is utter crap.

If your computer itself is what is causing you to have the high ping, such as your pushing your machine too hard, or you have something else eating up your bandwidth, then you both see it.

If it's purely distance related, then things get more fun, because then it's a game of who the server likes best, and how the game decides to compensate. What happens is, the server apparently favours you, the slow guy, so to you it seems like you are running normal, and they are running normal, but to them, your suck at one point, and then appear at another, as the server can only update their games as fast as it can recieve your signal, but can update yours constantly with their data as they have the better connection.

Your in the UK playing U.S. servers, you have a decent internet connection and so you get around 300's in ping, entirely caused by the distance between you and the U.S. server, it's not that bad and so your in that "sweet spot" I mentioned, as Halo's net code spends the resources to make your connection as good as possible. Now I bet you do see some warping, but it's not as bad as the other guys, which is my point, you can see and play the game as if there was less lag than the other guys, and so while it is you who is lagging, it is you who has advantage.

I hope that was repetitive and clear enough for you to understand.

The way other games work, is they do not favour the longer distance player, they virtually screw the longer distance player by not putting much effort into trying to keep them in the game.


Okay, firstly I have played like 700+ hours of halo and over 1000 matches, I am not boasting, just backing up that I know hwo the game works.

LMFAO at your next comment, why would I get ping in my 300s in US servers lol? I like every other UK player get 100-133 ping on east coast to 200-266 ping on west coast servers. Now, you warp on your screen, and you warp on theirs. And btw, even if that didn't happen, the fact is that you don't warp every second you play.

Why do you think that people try to play on low ping servers, and how there is no montages of people owning with 300 ping? If you want I could get 2 players to play eachother, 1 of them to have ping 1 game, and the others to have high ping the next game, and then see the score.

And finally, teh better player wins most of the time, and even if you for some reason think that I am a noob, I am certainly not. And I play 1v1s on UK, US, Canadian, Dutch, Italian, Israeli, German and French servers, and I do pretty fine on most of them.

Most important things are skill, then having a low ping. I bet you can't find 1 good halo pc player that says that low ping is better...


PS Evililelmo is a public player, I am sure he is good for the average public server player, but would not be able to keep up in matches with the real good players of this game.

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  • 03.13.2007 11:41 AM PDT

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I just threw out a number as I am too lazy to look for the ping number you supplied earlier.

And I never said you would warp ever second you play, nore did I imply it.

I also never said that people who have this advantage always pwn, but it does help a lot.

And I never said you were not a good player, and certainly a great player will be able to beat someone who has this advantage.

I would play you, save I destroyed my Halo disk a few weeks ago, ask around here, I have played recently before that and have done quite well, though I am no "great player" by any stretch, I'm above average, but not on par with most dedicated players, and likely not your equal either as I am more of a casual player at this point.

  • 03.13.2007 11:57 AM PDT
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So wait, you only warp rarely, yet still you think that high ping is an advantage?

BTW, can people here back me up that when i play in US servers, I rarely warp, and that when I play UK i obviously play way better...

  • 03.13.2007 12:10 PM PDT
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The higher your ping, the more you warp. Warping is bad. Hence, higher ping is bad.

Logic prevails once again!

  • 03.13.2007 12:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nessy
So wait, you only warp rarely, yet still you think that high ping is an advantage?

BTW, can people here back me up that when i play in US servers, I rarely warp, and that when I play UK i obviously play way better...


Never, ever, did I say that when you play you warp, I'm mearly stating that due to the distance, if you do warp, it's because of this, and why you may have an advantage under such circumstances.

And just because recently, aka last few months, I have not played Halo much does not mean that prior to this time I did not play it alot and encounter this occurance. I did, both for and against me.

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  • 03.13.2007 1:11 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

A lot of it is what you are used to playing. Most high pingers suck. They run in straight lines dissapearing, warping, you shoot them down or nade them 10 ft ahead of where they are...whatever.

On most servers, it is rare to play against a *very* good player with 200+ ping. Halo is about the pre-shot, you predict where that person will be in 1-2 seconds. Leading shots isn't an accurate description of what is happening. You aren't leading anyone, you are literally guessing. This is part of what makes the game so challenging and fun.

Just like anything, if you aren't used to playing with good high pingers, you probably will be at a disadvantage. In an ideal world, everyone would have 33 ping, but it is not the case.

If a very good player knows how to play well with his/her 200 ping, and you aren't used to dealing with that, you will probably get abused even if you have a low ping. A good player that strafes well back and forth quickly that doesn't show a pattern of movement is harder to hit as their ping increases. Obviously they have to deal with their own warping too, but ultimately it comes down to who is moving in predictable ways.

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Posted by: Synthmilk

And I have noticed that people with ping in the 200's to 300's have the advantage, it's very difficult to anticipate the lead necessary for them, and they don't seem to have as much trouble getting their shots to land.


I didn't say that you said I warp, I said I don't warp. Also you said that warping is an advantage.

I simply can't believe that anyone could possibly say that people with high ping have an advantage lol. Even people that are good with high ping, they are even better with low ping.

  • 03.13.2007 1:52 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Posted by: Nessy
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I simply can't believe that anyone could possibly say that people with high ping have an advantage lol. Even people that are good with high ping, they are even better with low ping.


Absolutely, but you miss the other half of the equation entirely. Obviously a good player is going to be good no matter what his/her ping is, high or low. But look at it from the perspective of the opponent. It is more difficult to predict where a player will be as ping increases. For the vast majority of pubbers that play on servers with 66-133 ping, coming across a good player that is warping around but can also shoot well can be very frustrating. Simply put, he/she has gotten used to playing this way while the opponents have not. It's not an excuse, it is just the way it is. If you have a lot of experience playing great players with high pings, then you are a much more balanced player as a result of that experience. The fact is that most people don't experience this type of gameplay enough.

Warping is an advantage only to the person who is more used to playing with it, on both sides. Nessy, I have a hard time believing that you would disagree with that considering print screen and file sharing programs that people use to their advantage.

  • 03.13.2007 2:34 PM PDT