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Posted by: ash55
Groups are constantly down eachothers throats, with "take over"s and bickering because they think their group is better. MBT for example (as well as others) believe their member count gives them "Status" (therefore making it superior to groups with "lower status"), which is of course... utter crap.

God I hate how everyone uses that when they know nothing.

Yes, there was a time when people at MBT were all about members. But not anymore. So unless you know what your talking about, which you obviously don't, please don't use examples.

Damn forum wide stereotypes.

I really don't care about this, and normally wouldn't bother to contradict you, but your disrespectful and arrogant tone really rubs me the wrong way. These are updates, taken directly from the MBT front page:

2000!
Posted by Papa John at 10/26/2006 3:42 PM PST
We've done it! We've reached 2000 members. Congratulations to everyone!

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Posted by Guardian Hunter at 2/21/2007 1:42 PM PST
the art of halo2 writes: 2100

Like it or not, MBT throws its member count around. Every time I get a frickin' spam PM from MBT it includes the member count, usually exactly. >:[

The problem really lies with the fact that members are using "elitism!" as an "argument-winner" which only serves to squelch discussions and ideas for new features. I'd love to see some of the features suggested in the Septagon make an appearance, but there's always one person who'll cry elitism and say that's the be-all and end-all of the discussion.

Elitism with join dates wasn't so bad, elitism within forums doesn't really affect anyone (unless there are 'forum wars') and so the worst effect of elitism, really... Is the one it's having now. So terrified are we of someone saying they're better than someone else, elitism is crippling us. Its very absence is paralysing us, holding us back from discussion and denying ideas for features to get a proper hearing.

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Posted by: Saint
Elitism with join dates wasn't so bad

I know this is not your full statement. But this is what grabbed my attention the most. And I completely disagree with you. I have been a member for about three years now. I had my ups and downs, and the moderators know that as well as I do. I admit, I was a trouble maker, but I had respect among a lot of the community. Then when I turned my life around, I deleted my old account. And made a brand new one, this one, just a few months before join dates were removed. Just because my join date was recent, in every forum I was looked down on. Many people focused on join dates to judge how seriously one should take a post. The only forum that I felt at home in is this forum, nobody was elitists, and few people were disrespectful. I have since believed that elitism is a very true thing indeed, and it effects people just like lumpy pudding.

Now, I can name a few things that have caused elitism over my time here, and it is rather easy as well.

* Flood v Zanzibar
* Flood v New Mobasa
* Join dates

Then of course the horrible post counts. Now, I must disagree with you Code Zero, that Halo 2 levels are not part of this conversation since they are a completely different thing, and being saved for a different conversation. It is part of this conversation since it has to do with elitism. It is real on this site, and it always will be. It is there, whether people witness it or not.

  • 03.10.2007 7:55 AM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

I still don't get it. It seems like any type of reward on this site comes up with that. Any type of reward can and will cause it. Just because of that then we should have none? I mean come on. At this rate we are going to wind up taking everything off of the site. If people start to do that then we will just have to crack down on those people.

A little reward should be a good thing. It seems like many people are against it no matter what. With no rewards there is no weight added to an account. For quite a few people there is nothing if they lose it. If you have something that you worked hard to get you might think twice before you do something stupid and get it taken away.

I am just tired myself of seeing that keep popping up. It gets frustrating to see it holding us back from coming up with possible good reward ideas for members. I know that many people would just rather dismiss it to prevent any problems from happening but I feel it is making the site stale for ideas. I feel a basic reward system can persevere here with a little bit of help from the mods and good members.

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Posted by: Achilles1108
I still don't get it. It seems like any type of reward on this site comes up with that. Any type of reward can and will cause it. Just because of that then we should have none? I mean come on. At this rate we are going to wind up taking everything off of the site. If people start to do that then we will just have to crack down on those people.

A little reward should be a good thing. It seems like many people are against it no matter what. With no rewards there is no weight added to an account. For quite a few people there is nothing if they loose it. If you have something that you worked hard to get you might think twice before you do something stupid and get it taken away.

I am just tired myself of seeing that keep popping up. It gets frustrating to see it holding us back from coming up with possible good reward ideas for members. I know that many people would just rather dismiss it to prevent any problems from happening but I feel it is making the site stale for ideas. I feel a basic reward system can persevere here with a little bit of help from the mods and good members.

I do agree. Many people do not understand that if one were to be rewarded say with some uber shiny icon just underneath their last post or something. That if they were to be elitists, a moderator or superuser could easily strip them of it, then make it so they would have to work harder for it again. I guess to some, it is hard for change. I do agree with something may cause elitism that would be a reward. But I also agree that if one were to behave elitist, then that special icon or what not, could be stripped from them.

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Posted by: Achilles1108
I still don't get it. It seems like any type of reward on this site comes up with that. Any type of reward can and will cause it. Just because of that then we should have none? I mean come on. At this rate we are going to wind up taking everything off of the site. If people start to do that then we will just have to crack down on those people.


Rewards should be.. rewarded. For good behavior, well-mannered post, and helping the community. Rewards for such things should not be given to people who will abuse them as is. I mean, look at the moderators, for example, in a way (minus the chain running from your leg to your desk, lack of clothing and crummy pay), being a moderator is a reward. Of course, would Achronos ever make someone a moderator who would get up there and abuse it? The same should go for rewards 'regular' members recieve as well.


A little reward should be a good thing. It seems like many people are against it no matter what. With no rewards there is no weight added to an account. For quite a few people there is nothing if they lose it. If you have something that you worked hard to get you might think twice before you do something stupid and get it taken away.

And Achronos has mentioned this many times. He's going to add more 'value' to an account in the New New Hawtness. I'm rather excited to see what's in store.

I am just tired myself of seeing that keep popping up. It gets frustrating to see it holding us back from coming up with possible good reward ideas for members. I know that many people would just rather dismiss it to prevent any problems from happening but I feel it is making the site stale for ideas. I feel a basic reward system can persevere here with a little bit of help from the mods and good members.

I'm going to bring up Achronos again, as he has mentioned quite a few times that he has some ideas for adding value to an account, as well as putting in a rewards system of some sort. I really think this should be interesting in the next few weeks, and many of you (I'm not actually calling out anyone specifically) should not worry so much about it.

Be happy about the change we're having very soon, instead of being negative about the current website and forums. :D

  • 03.10.2007 8:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: Achilles1108
I still don't get it. It seems like any type of reward on this site comes up with that. Any type of reward can and will cause it. Just because of that then we should have none? I mean come on. At this rate we are going to wind up taking everything off of the site. If people start to do that then we will just have to crack down on those people.

A little reward should be a good thing. It seems like many people are against it no matter what. With no rewards there is no weight added to an account. For quite a few people there is nothing if they lose it. If you have something that you worked hard to get you might think twice before you do something stupid and get it taken away.

I am just tired myself of seeing that keep popping up. It gets frustrating to see it holding us back from coming up with possible good reward ideas for members. I know that many people would just rather dismiss it to prevent any problems from happening but I feel it is making the site stale for ideas. I feel a basic reward system can persevere here with a little bit of help from the mods and good members.

My thoughts exactly. I'm going to quote this in my original post so people get a more clear description of this thread >_>..

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Rewards can be a good thing, you just have to be careful with how you reward people.

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Rewards can be a good thing, you just have to be careful with how you reward people.

And who you reward. If only the people who won't be elitist morons get rewarded (they're the only ones who deserve rewards, anyway), you won't have a problem.

  • 03.10.2007 9:46 AM PDT

Here's the problem with a reward system, and it has nothing to do with elitism. But it does have something to do with common sense.

The people who would even care about some sort of gold star, karma system, or whatever other reward you want to dangle in front of us are the kind of members who already conduct themselves properly on B.net.

Conversely, the members who have alternate accounts, get blacklisted all the time, spam and generally cause problems would not care. They just wouldn't. In fact, they'd probably take sick pride in having a negative number.

So if a reward system's main objective is to entice members to behave, it's not going to work.

  • 03.10.2007 9:47 AM PDT

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I still think it would work. It would be interesting if Achronos implemented a test of a reward system (the emblem one on Septegon's front page would work) and we got to see what the actual result would be.

  • 03.10.2007 9:49 AM PDT

Posted by: Code Zero
I still think it would work. It would be interesting if Achronos implemented a test of a reward system (the emblem one on Septegon's front page would work) and we got to see what the actual result would be.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not against a reward system. It's just that some people have said it would encourage good behavior, and I don't think that's true. People are going to act how they act regardless.

  • 03.10.2007 9:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Achilles1108
I still don't get it. It seems like any type of reward on this site comes up with that. Any type of reward can and will cause it. Just because of that then we should have none? I mean come on. At this rate we are going to wind up taking everything off of the site. If people start to do that then we will just have to crack down on those people.

A little reward should be a good thing. It seems like many people are against it no matter what. With no rewards there is no weight added to an account. For quite a few people there is nothing if they lose it. If you have something that you worked hard to get you might think twice before you do something stupid and get it taken away.

I am just tired myself of seeing that keep popping up. It gets frustrating to see it holding us back from coming up with possible good reward ideas for members. I know that many people would just rather dismiss it to prevent any problems from happening but I feel it is making the site stale for ideas. I feel a basic reward system can persevere here with a little bit of help from the mods and good members.

I don't see how "reward" has to be synonymous with "trophy". There are plenty of reward possibilities that don't have to be displayed or paraded around the forums as a symbol that you are a better member (so says the website).

If an idea can lead to elitism, I think it should be reconsidered, but then the idea can be discussed further and improved upon in order to minimise its negative effect on the forum.

I'll use the stats page for example. If your account is banned, you lose it, it's as simple as that. Having the stats page is basically a reward for behaving in the forums, and its a precursor for what's to come. You can't prove you can access the stats page, so there's no chance of elitism there (the only instance of elitism comes from the content of the stats page).

I'm all for adding some perks for being a good member but having medals under your title shouldn't be one of them in my opinion. Extra features, content etc? Sure. But having something that only translates to "Look, I'm a better member than you, as evident by this icon"? Thanks but no thanks.

Besides, (this is the most important part) how is a "Trusted Member" medal a reward anyhow? It does nothing. The only purpose it serves is to make the user think he is a better member because the icon says so. There are far better rewards out there that have no potential for elitism, so why not develop the discussion to work the problem out?

  • 03.10.2007 10:13 AM PDT

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Surely if rewards were given out, like some people want, then the moderators could remove rewards, like how they can ban people.
Lets say you get an award for being a good poster or whatever then if you lord it over people like a jerk then it gets taken away from you.
Now would that promote good behaviour?

  • 03.10.2007 10:16 AM PDT

Posted by: ash55

I'm all for adding some perks for being a good member but having medals under your title shouldn't be one of them in my opinion. Extra features, content etc? Sure. But having something that only translates to "Look, I'm a better member than you, as evident by this icon"? Thanks but no thanks.


Says the man with his own personalized avatar and blinding white font. You were rewarded ash for your good behavior and contributions to B.net, you were made a moderator.

Why don't the ninja's have the same avatar choices as the rest of us? Why does Achronos get to use gold font? These are all elitist type rewards.

My point? No matter what reward system is implemented, it will carry some sort of elitist connotation. Personally I don't care either way in regards to a reward system. But there is no black and white, there will be a huge gray area of what the B.net members perceive as whether the reward is elitist or not.

  • 03.10.2007 10:35 AM PDT

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PS: I don't want examples of Halo things like people being better than each other in the game or whatnot. That's a different story.

So the thousands of instances where one member told another to STFU because they were only a "level X" is not an example of elitism?

I think that it is a perfect example. It is a number that some have assigned so much value to that they think that it is an indicator of moral, intellectual or overall superiority. And we see it all of the time.

So, since the membership here is willing and able to demonstrate the ism with gameplay ranks.... you think that they could refrain from using some other silly value? You see, there aren't other examples because those "rankings" are deliberately absent from the site and forums.

If you are trying to say that we don't see examples because the membership won't do it, especially if we don't include MM ranks... I think that is a flawed statement.

It's like saying "show me examples of animal cruelty in this _______ country, but don't include bullfights, cockfights, or dogfights."

The desire to outdo others and to let them know that you are "better" is a key part of the Bungie demographic. That is the source of elitism. Most of the methods of demonstrating it are conspicuously and deliberately missing from this site.... and that is why it isn't always easy to find.

No, those count as elitism. But think about all the ways people can be elitist. Sarcastic remarks, insults because of someone's skill level, insults because of a person's name, a way they type (or talk), how long they've been here, what games they've played, and the list goes on.

Can you imagine if we took all those away? Pre recorded messages on an anonymous screen name with no join date, and you're not allowed to put down or offer anyone congratulations. I think we can all admit it's a good deal of overkill. Nobody ever stops to consider whether or not further elitism will actually occur. It's automatically that any reward will simply cause elitism, despite the greatest of precautions. I can't stand it. They haven't even been given a chance and the world is already set against them.

EDIT: Atomic, it's not the same thing at all. They have those features to differentiate them from the average member much like a police officer drives a patrol car and wears a badge. It shows authority, and for good reason. It's not elitist.
Posted by: atomic weggie
Here's the problem with a reward system, and it has nothing to do with elitism. But it does have something to do with common sense.

The people who would even care about some sort of gold star, karma system, or whatever other reward you want to dangle in front of us are the kind of members who already conduct themselves properly on B.net.

Conversely, the members who have alternate accounts, get blacklisted all the time, spam and generally cause problems would not care. They just wouldn't. In fact, they'd probably take sick pride in having a negative number.

So if a reward system's main objective is to entice members to behave, it's not going to work.


Furthermore, you can't just divide the whole of Bungie.net into two categories. It's not just the people who behave and people who don't. Everyone misbehaves sometime, and everyone behaves sometimes. What about the people who, say, write a great column for Bungie.net and keep adding new articles for a month? Will they dangle their rewards in front of people? What of the people who just came to talk Halo 2 strategy? What about the people int he Flood who just like to talk? What about Forum Cops? What about spammers? What about every category on Bungie.net, not just the two you listed?

I'm well aware that some people will abuse it. I'm also well aware that the current system is being abused just as easily. These rewards aren't permanant, and they aren't given loosely.

Ash, saying that having some medal isn't a reward is nonsense. It shows recognition of an accomplishment. Why is it important to get a trophy for winning a race? Because you earned it and you want something that recognizes that achievment- something material. Now I'm not saying that's best for every contributing member, and I tend to agree that having a silly medal under your name wouldn't be that great, but mabye access to new avatars, mabye even a new color of text, a title, something small like that, would be nice.

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  • 03.10.2007 11:09 AM PDT

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Well...

TGP did join the group :/

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  • 03.10.2007 11:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: ash55

I'm all for adding some perks for being a good member but having medals under your title shouldn't be one of them in my opinion. Extra features, content etc? Sure. But having something that only translates to "Look, I'm a better member than you, as evident by this icon"? Thanks but no thanks.


Says the man with his own personalized avatar and blinding white font. You were rewarded ash for your good behavior and contributions to B.net, you were made a moderator.

Why don't the ninja's have the same avatar choices as the rest of us? Why does Achronos get to use gold font? These are all elitist type rewards.

My point? No matter what reward system is implemented, it will carry some sort of elitist connotation. Personally I don't care either way in regards to a reward system. But there is no black and white, there will be a huge gray area of what the B.net members perceive as whether the reward is elitist or not.

Shush you... lowly member.

If it makes you happy I would pick a regular avatar (but I think Achronos would not be happy, seeing how he'd probably have to change it back).

The white text and avatar isn't really a reward. It's more of a burden than anything else to deal with idiots and explain things to what seems like a brick wall. I would say it's a completely different in the case of moderators because they're supposed to be seen as a "higher" tier membership (obviously not "higher" people in general though of course).

They're...err... we're supposed to strike fear into spammers and remind them that when we say "don't flame", we actually mean it. The custom avatar doesn't mean we're "better" it just reminds people that we have 1337 ban p0waHz.

Besides there's probably hundreds of members who could be just as good of a moderator as myself (if not better, like evilcam). So I'm not better, I just live in England. :)

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Posted by: ash55
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Posted by: ash55

I'm all for adding some perks for being a good member but having medals under your title shouldn't be one of them in my opinion. Extra features, content etc? Sure. But having something that only translates to "Look, I'm a better member than you, as evident by this icon"? Thanks but no thanks.


Says the man with his own personalized avatar and blinding white font. You were rewarded ash for your good behavior and contributions to B.net, you were made a moderator.

Why don't the ninja's have the same avatar choices as the rest of us? Why does Achronos get to use gold font? These are all elitist type rewards.

My point? No matter what reward system is implemented, it will carry some sort of elitist connotation. Personally I don't care either way in regards to a reward system. But there is no black and white, there will be a huge gray area of what the B.net members perceive as whether the reward is elitist or not.

Shush you... lowly member.

If it makes you happy I would pick a regular avatar (but I think Achronos would not be happy, seeing how he'd probably have to change it back).

The white text and avatar isn't really a reward. It's more of a burden than anything else to deal with idiots and explain things to what seems like a brick wall. I would say it's a completely different in the case of moderators because they're supposed to be seen as a "higher" tier membership (obviously not "higher" people in general though of course).

They're...err... we're supposed to strike fear into spammers and remind them that when we say "don't flame", we actually mean it. The custom avatar doesn't mean we're "better" it just reminds people that we have 1337 ban p0waHz.

Besides there's probably hundreds of members who could be just as good of a moderator as myself (if not better, like evilcam). So I'm not better, I just live in England. :)


Like evilcam? What have you been smoking?

j/k

Yeah. Custom avatars and white text is just an indication of authority. What do you want, ninjas that are never seen? Oh wait...

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I'll be honest, I've accused just about half of the people in this thread of being elitist and always looking for personal advancement over advancing the community at least once, I'll let you all decide which half :P.

The problem with all the automatic rewards or status symbols (i.e., activity counters, post counts, join dates, the proposed profile symbols for achievments) is that they have always, and likely always will, result in a large portion of the community going "me > you, for my post count/join date > yours." This, obviously, means, they're not worthy of whatever status whatever it is confers on them. Which is why post counts and join dates have been removed.

So, the obvious alternative to this is to have "manual" rewards, that have to be specifically activated upon a member. But, the main problem with this is the sheer size of the community; whoever responsible for it would be overwhelmed in keeping track of these things.

Personally, though I'd adore to have a nice shiny badge next to my name to show that I've been here, and actively trolling, for 3 years, I'd prefer to have a nice, calm, community where everyone is equal, except for the moderators, who rule with an iron first. Though, I realise where Achronos is coming from when he says there's no incentive to be a good member.

And lastly, to whichever muppet was complaining about the individual forums forming "private, tight-knight, elitist communities", come crawling back out of your groups and say that again.

(edit for typos and grammar, and stuffz)

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  • 03.10.2007 4:12 PM PDT

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And lastly, to whichever muppet was complaining about the individual forums forming "private, tight-knight, elitist communities", come crawling back out of your groups and say that again.

(edit for typos and grammar, and stuffz)

Individual forums form private, tight-knight, elitist communities.

  • 03.10.2007 5:17 PM PDT

Posted by: ash55

They're...err... we're supposed to strike fear into spammers and remind them that when we say "don't flame", we actually mean it. The custom avatar doesn't mean we're "better" it just reminds people that we have 1337 ban p0waHz.


Which is my point. You've explained yourself well, but I bet if you asked most B.net members, they would say you having your own avatar is elitist. See, gray area...thus could be construed as "better."

I've said this before, if Achronos took away the "members since" part of our posting avatars, I don't see how he'd be cool with having a rewards system.

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Posted by: ash55
Posted by: elmicker
And lastly, to whichever muppet was complaining about the individual forums forming "private, tight-knight, elitist communities", come crawling back out of your groups and say that again.

(edit for typos and grammar, and stuffz)

Individual forums form private, tight-knight, elitist communities.

I don't know if you said it originally, but you're wrong; it doesn't.

I don't think there will ever be a sense that a forum is private as it's a public forum. The whole idea of it being a public forum is that it's open to everyone and it's only people's choices that dictate whether or not they actually inhabit that forum.

Tight-knit? To a certain extent. With the amount of inter-changing folk whether they are visit multiple forums on this site, away for long periods of time or whatever means there will be a "cap" on just how "close" a forum can be. With the spam it doesn't make it an easy job, either.

Elitist? Well, that's in the eyes of the beholder. The level of elitism here is very marginal and I think when it is actually exercised, most of the time it's done with some right. Cases are very few and far between.

  • 03.10.2007 7:03 PM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

Posted by: ash55
Besides, (this is the most important part) how is a "Trusted Member" medal a reward anyhow? It does nothing. The only purpose it serves is to make the user think he is a better member because the icon says so. There are far better rewards out there that have no potential for elitism, so why not develop the discussion to work the problem out?


Point taken my friend. We don't need something that is easily seen aka a medal. Extra site content would suffice. Now us having an insight of what Achronos has in store for the sight does give us a better angle on what would work.

I guess the main thing that is truly getting under my skin is the fact that when people create a thread like that the majority of responses just say it is a bad idea because it would cause elitism. There is virtually nothing else really said. You get a ton of threads saying the same thing over and over with very little in the way of discussion on how to improve the idea. I also think that this was more along the lines of what the OP was trying to get across. It does leave a bit of a sour taste when we can't get a discussion about it and all we get is just a ton of negative responses.

In closing I feel we can discuss these ideas and find something to better them. I just don't want to see people stop posting different ideas just because they will get the same responses as I stated earlier. If that is all that keeps happening then we will possibly be doing more harm than good for the community. Now I do know that Achronos has the final say as to what happens in his domain but you never know if we might come up with a great idea that he might implement. If we do not discuss these ideas it will never happen.

I hope this clears up a bit more on how I feel. Oh and if you all get blinded by the wall of white text I cannot be sued because I know the Chewbacca defense.

[Edited on 3/10/2007]

  • 03.10.2007 7:42 PM PDT

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