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Posted by: Code Zero
Just read it and I can say now that it is a very good read. I wasn't informed that some moderators -- selected before my time, were only selected because they were friends with Bungie or their mods.
Take what you read with a huge spoon of salt. While the mods are often chosen from members the rest of us know, they are always processed and evaluated by all of the other moderators to the best of their ability, and we try to be as fair as possible.

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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
Posted by: Code Zero
Just read it and I can say now that it is a very good read. I wasn't informed that some moderators -- selected before my time, were only selected because they were friends with Bungie or their mods.
Take what you read with a huge spoon of salt. While the mods are often chosen from members the rest of us know, they are always processed and evaluated by all of the other moderators to the best of their ability, and we try to be as fair as possible.


Overall, the mods have a good track record. GJJ, TGP, and numerous other mods treat people fairly and do their NON-PAID job well. Is there room for improvement? Of course.

  • 03.14.2007 9:24 AM PDT

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
Posted by: Code Zero
Just read it and I can say now that it is a very good read. I wasn't informed that some moderators -- selected before my time, were only selected because they were friends with Bungie or their mods.
Take what you read with a huge spoon of salt. While the mods are often chosen from members the rest of us know, they are always processed and evaluated by all of the other moderators to the best of their ability, and we try to be as fair as possible.


Overall, the mods have a good track record. GJJ, TGP, and numerous other mods treat people fairly and do their NON-PAID job well. Is there room for improvement? Of course.

Yeah, I agree. The mods we have now are good.

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Posted by: xTr1GGeR HaPPYx
Posted By: Gendo
Of course, but i could count the only decent (in my opinion) australian members on one hand.

If I'm not mistaken, you can count all the Australian moderators on one hand =\


I have known Trigger almost as long as I have been on B.net. He has helped the community and he deserves to be a mod. The mods are chosen for good reasons.

  • 03.14.2007 9:27 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Why do you guys even care about how they're chosen?

  • 03.14.2007 9:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: snowmanaxt7
The 7th Column:
Bring it back, plain and simple. The 7th Column page is completely dead, this does not help to inspire a community feel at all. Try to get it active again. Some suggestions: Get the Spotlight up and running on some kind of regular basis, start doing the soapbox again, offer more Chapter support directly through the column. If you have to, try to get a certain someone who's entire job on B.net is to run that 7th Column page.
Achronos has hinted, but not said anything concrete about these features. It's been suggested to him before, and I hope he does something just like this.

Maybe reactivate Team ACS(Active Chapter Support) and this time with the 7th Column as a backing. I was a part of the original Team ACS, and we did well, but with our lack of resources were overcome. We had to many request for help, we could not handle it. An official 7th Column Team ACS would be a welcome addition to the Community and groups. That's a pretty good idea as well.

I know not if this is possible, but try to get some real Bungie Employees, aside from Bungie.net workers(Frankie, yourself, Sketch, etc...) to become at least moderately active on the website. Of course this isn't an easy task I know, most will probably not want to do this. But, think about it for a moment. Having a Bungie employee around doing the sopbox, or for instance I have a technical question about Halo 3, or something to do with the engine, and I post it in the forums, there would be an actual employee there to answer me, participating. This would cause an immense community feel, as Bungie employees themselves would be a part of it. AGREE. Nuff Said.

Groups: How To Not Suck
Refine groups more, it may be harsh but maybe we should go back to having to have your group creation accepted. This would cut down on all of these copy groups and encourage more activity in the original ones. No need to have another damn halo 3 Beta group, just join the one that already exists and enjoy.
I'm unsure if that could work anymore with the number of users on the site.

Make the homepages more customizable. As in, maybe design it so that you can choose different layout templates for your group Homepage. Nothing major of course, but kinda like the themes are now, just moving things around. Make more options also. Not all groups are about Clans, so why should all Display a Clan box? it should be a selectable option to show. The old groups had boxes you could chose to display, and multiple hacks that people like Doctor Evol were adept at exploiting to customize the group farther. I want these back.

Also, why not expand even farther on Clan groups. Not only may you show your Clan box but make it so that you can fully implement your entire clan status, members, info, and etc into your chapter. Kinda like merging the Clan Page and Group. This would encourage more clans to have groups as their homepages, and thus expand the 7th Column further. It also would help scheduling I think, as well as making a more functional Column.

  • 03.14.2007 9:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: Code Zero
Everyone is so scared of authority and damaging their chances of becoming ninjas these days that they are afraid to speak their mind. Take it from somebody who has devoted countless hours to trying to improve things both publicly and privately, and who has seen many great members fade away to be forgotten.

I think this is the most important quote in the whole post because it is very true. People quote moderators or bungie staff all the time to laugh at their jokes or to compliment them in some way, just to be a kiss ass and increase their chances of being a mod.

When I quote a mod, I usually ask myself this question: "would I be quoting this person if they weren't a mod". And if the answer is yes, I would reply. If no, I'd simply just forget about replying. Works pretty well, I'd say.

It's true that people do quote admins and moderators for no reason, but it doesn't mean they get "anywhere" by doing it. (I say "anywhere" tentatively by the way; as being a moderator isn't actually a "place" in reality).

You don't have to be a Bungie fanboy drone for you to be a respected member (or at least I hope...) Debate and difference of opinion is what drives the forum, not "LoLz Shishka! PWN'T!". I think whoever wrote this doesn't have much faith in the moderators to differenciate an obvious (or subtle) "brown-noser" from someone who can actually be trusted.

[Edited on 3/14/2007]

  • 03.14.2007 9:36 AM PDT

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Well, I never claimed that people got anywhere by doing it, but you can't argue that people do quote authority in attempt to increase their chances. That's the part that I thought was very true.

  • 03.14.2007 9:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: snowmanaxt7
Ultimately, I am wasting my words. Next thing you know, JAY132 and Jeff McCrae will be sitting there proudly with the titles of “Forum Ninja” under their usernames.

You spelled my last name incorrectly, idiot.

  • 03.14.2007 9:44 AM PDT

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Personally I feel that if you care enough about the politics of this site as to actually put time and effort into a rant, your no better than the elitists you claim ruin the community.

There are elitists here, big woop, a mod turned out to be sour, oh no, the world is going to end.

I would like to see more Bungie interaction in the forums sure, but it is not vital to my survival as a forumite to talk to a Bungie staffer, and I doubt it would do anything but increase the traffic of suckups.

The Bungie community as it was pre-Halo is a collection of people who like to interact with one another, and have fun together, doing whatever it is they feel like doing. It was relatively small and tight nit, think small town.

The current B.net is like a city, it is not possible to have such a community exist here anymore, too many people, the type of people that floods various forums does not help either. The problem is that quite a few people WANT that kind of old-school community again, but I feel that due to a combination of too many people and the mindset of young people these days, it won't happen outside of a group, the oldschool users tried doing this, but even their lives chang and their starting to "die" off.

I don't like that, it's sad that such a thing happened, I am a small town liking guy myself, but the world is changing and sadly in order for Bungie to be sucessfull it needs a large fanbase and so what we see happen now is a necessity to them as a company.

And just like small towns everywhere, enough people didn't care about the community they lost in favour of the new that was given to them, and so those who do care are left outnumbered and have no choice but to go quietly into the night.

Melodrama aside, the ranter needs to get over himself, B.net is not going back to the way it was as a tight nit community, with The New Hotness v2.0 hopefully we will see the founding of a bigger, more organized community, but it won't be the same, and people need to either start accepting that, or get on with their lives away from Bungie.

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Damn it, I re-wrote this thing 3 times and it's still to long, ah well.

[Edited on 3/14/2007]

  • 03.14.2007 9:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: Code Zero
Well, I never claimed that people got anywhere by doing it, but you can't argue that people do quote authority in attempt to increase their chances. That's the part that I thought was very true.

Ah right. The person you quoted seemed to think that anyone who doesn't quote Achronos, and tell him how great he is, disappears into the abyss some how (and thus "suck-ups" prevail). Yeah, I agree that is not the case.

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I have a single, monumentous, thing, to add to this thread.

LOLOLOL.

  • 03.14.2007 10:03 AM PDT

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  • 03.14.2007 10:04 AM PDT
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Sometimes I think you guys take this site too seriously.....

Now, I guess you can call me the "Halo 2" member who joined because he wanted the cool 'Bungie.net' logo behind his name, and spent his initial time hanging out in the Halo 3 Forum.

But the more time I spent here, the more I grew to like this place. This isn't like other forums-it's wild, it's crazy, it's........DIFFERENT.

Even though this place can get boring at times, when there's nothing going on, people still come to see what's up.

People who said they'd never make another public post are posting in this very thread. People who said they'd quit this site are back in a week. I don't know what's so appealing with this place, so I'll assume that we all just like Bungie and their community (why else would you come here?)

Now........there are a LOT of Grumpy members. Like the old man who sits on his lawn making sure kids stay away.

Y'all need to lighten up, seriously.

A new member comes to the site, sees a mod post and thinks "Cool, who's that guy?" So he may try to get some attention from said moderator because he's curious. So what? Big deal, he said "LOL that was funny I agree."

Have you ever stopped to think that everyone is gettin all bent out of shape on the happenings of a message board?

Granted, this is a tight-knit community, and I'm sure most of the "veterans" just want what's best. But you have to understand that this site's a cycle, you guys should've realized this a while ago based on how long you've been here.

We all can tell the obvious signs of "Forum copping" and whatnot. Sure, people who say "This thread will be locked, I have notified a moderator" can seem a bit.........annoying (?) but hey, just deal. They ain't bothering you, right? Drop 'em a line in a PM saying what's up, and don't insult them.

On a personal note, some of you Frozen Minority kids need to chill. You guys need tact yo, because I've spoken to a lot of you through Private messanges and some of the stuff you reply back with are pretty messed up for people who "want what's best."

But that's just a personal note, there are some good people in that group, but overall this site needs to relax and go with the flow, yo.

[Edited on 3/14/2007]

  • 03.14.2007 10:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: JAY132
I can't believe I missed this whilst I spent the night painting my Tug. God diggity damn.

Does it look nice bud? You'll have to show me via Video Chat via Xbox Live on the Xbox 360 Premium.

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Posted by: ash55
Posted by: Code Zero
Well, I never claimed that people got anywhere by doing it, but you can't argue that people do quote authority in attempt to increase their chances. That's the part that I thought was very true.

Ah right. The person you quoted seemed to think that anyone who doesn't quote Achronos, and tell him how great he is, disappears into the abyss some how (and thus "suck-ups" prevail). Yeah, I agree that is not the case.


When I quote Achronos, it is because he is the final authority here. He knows far more about the new Hawtness than any of us. Furthermore, he sets the policies here. If he says there are going to be no custom avatars, then we can argue about it but it will not happen. I disagree with him quite often, but I have enough common sense to know he has the final word.

  • 03.14.2007 10:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
A new member comes to the site, sees a mod post and thinks "Cool, who's that guy?" So he may try to get some attention from said moderator because he's curious. So what? Big deal, he said "LOL that was funny I agree."


That's fine. Its when 2+ year old members start trying it on to gain favour and powers. Which, contrary to Ash's rather circular post, does, actually, happen.

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Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
A new member comes to the site, sees a mod post and thinks "Cool, who's that guy?" So he may try to get some attention from said moderator because he's curious. So what? Big deal, he said "LOL that was funny I agree."


That's fine. Its when 2+ year old members start trying it on to gain favour and powers. Which, contrary to Ash's rather circular post, does, actually, happen.


I see what you're saying. In that case, it does seem like someone's trying to score the fabled "Mod points."

The majority of us have been at that stage where we look up to certain members/moderators for their status. Eventually though, a "phasing out" takes place, where the member realizes that moderators are just normal individuals who volunteer on the forums.

Sometimes I think too much emphasis is placed on the "Social" ladder of this site (i.e. status by way of "title.")

Though in the end, this thread is still about a user's concern with this site, but.......we've seen it all before. Heck, I haven't been here a year and I can remember a time when the Septagon was flooded with threads that just dealt with Ninjas (whether it's about criticism, support, or questions.)

I sometimes wonder what it would be like if we had NO titles- as in moderators had the title of "member" and no white text, and same selection of avatars......but with the toolbars.

Would we still have these problems, or these threads? Maybe, maybe not......

  • 03.14.2007 10:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
A new member comes to the site, sees a mod post and thinks "Cool, who's that guy?" So he may try to get some attention from said moderator because he's curious. So what? Big deal, he said "LOL that was funny I agree."


That's fine. Its when 2+ year old members start trying it on to gain favour and powers. Which, contrary to Ash's rather circular post, does, actually, happen.

Hmmm... Yes people quote Achronos all the time. I agreed with that. How is that contrary to what you're saying?

Edit: I should have taken that "it's not true at all" thing out, that's just confusing... I misunderstood when I wrote that.

[Edited on 3/14/2007]

  • 03.14.2007 10:30 AM PDT

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Would we still have these problems, or these threads?
Most likely not..

  • 03.14.2007 10:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: Comrade_Max
Right, I don't post much in the main forums anymore and am one of the founding members of TFM and honestly i'm tired of all of this, people think we are an ultra secret group of people who travel round in small blacked out cars occasionally getting out to twat people over the head with bats, this as much as you want to be true is not we are just a group of people who are tired of suck ups, are tired of people constantly complaining, yet half the time it seems we don't even have to do anything to raise an eyebrow or get someone to involentarily soil themselves. We are just a group of people working away from the main forum thats all if you can't understand that then please don't talk about something you don't understand.

He's right you know. We don't have to do anything anymore and we get blamed, it's ridiculous.

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Posted by: ash55
Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
A new member comes to the site, sees a mod post and thinks "Cool, who's that guy?" So he may try to get some attention from said moderator because he's curious. So what? Big deal, he said "LOL that was funny I agree."


That's fine. Its when 2+ year old members start trying it on to gain favour and powers. Which, contrary to Ash's rather circular post, does, actually, happen.

Hmmm... Yes people quote Achronos all the time. I agreed with that. How is that contrary to what you're saying?
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and frankie.

Shut up nerds.

Older member quote moderators and admins a lot because they like and trust them. Over the time that they have been here they have gotten to know them, have had conversations with them, and possibly even played from games outside of bungie with them. They should trust the moderators too, they protect them from possibly malicious virus links, pornographic links, and other harmful interweb things.

(adding to Icemans post)
Newer members quote moderators and admins because they are new, they think that the mods and admins are nice and funny. They don't want to get any power from them (usually) they just want to enjoy there time and they know that it's the moderators and admins that help them do that.

Also, could someone eplain to me in a PM what TFM is. Thanks.

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  • 03.14.2007 10:48 AM PDT

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Posted by: Frankie
Shut up nerds.

This quote gets to me because everyone seems to find it funny. I guess it's kind of funny, coming from Frankie. Pretty random. Also ironic. But still, if any regular member would have said this it wouldn't get nearly as much publicity.

  • 03.14.2007 10:52 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

It's ironic because he's the one who's always gushing about video game water and individual blades of grass and all that.

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  • 03.14.2007 10:54 AM PDT
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People give the brown nosing too much attention. You make it sound as if brown nosing actually works. It doesn't. The faith of the brown nosers is the same as the ass they are trying to kiss: It gets wiped a few times a day and the -blam!- goes right down the toilet.

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Could there be a bit more interaction between Bungie and the community? Yes, but I don't think too much can be done about it right now. I don't know, I don't have a true answer right now, but who am I to provide one?

  • 03.14.2007 10:59 AM PDT