Bungie.net Community
This topic has moved here: Subject: The 7th Column, The Community, It's Guy, and The Lack There Of
  • Subject: The 7th Column, The Community, It's Guy, and The Lack There Of
Subject: The 7th Column, The Community, It's Guy, and The Lack There Of

Official Town Drunk of Sandwichia. Nation of the Flood.
MBT - Impossible Just Happened
* How is it that "Fat Chance" and "Slim Chance" mean the same thing?
* If you choke a Smurf, what color will it turn?

XBOX User Space profile

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Posted by: Kilroy
1-Post in every thread in Septagon multiple times with "intelligent" responses.

2-Report spam threads to several of the more active Master Moderators.

3-MOAP. A lot. If you're a MOAPer, you're "in."

4-Suck up. Major.

5-Be a Jumper. A lot. If you're a Jumper, you're "in."(thanks butane :P)

Man, I didn't do ANY of those things!
-TGP-


ya, your to cool for those.

  • 03.14.2007 2:05 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
Bungie.net Overlord
twitter: http://twitter.com/Achronos

"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

This will take a while. Let's start at the beginning.

Posted by: snowmanaxt7
However, SketchFactor apparently gave up even before the “upgraded” column was implemented – he was after all the Community Guy whose responsibilities, theoretically, included the interaction with the good persons of the Seventh Column.


Brian's (SketchFactor) job is the Bungie Community Lead - he is responsible for how Bungie is represented to the world. While technically Bungie.net is a part of this, a much bigger part is marketing, press interaction, and other general public relations stuff. There is no real "online community manager". I try to deal with a bit of that, but that is in my free time - that is also technically "not my job." We know this isn't the best situation, but business realities (people cost money) prevent us from quickly fixing it.

Priorities seem to be wrong, also. I refuse to believe that a search feature – and repeat threads will surface, especially in the absence of constant new discussion material and in the presence of the ridiculous “don’t dig up old threads” regulation – is more crucial to a community site than the community itself. Surely resources would have been better spent on the 7th Column in one way or another.

Search was delayed because I was doing a job that really required two people. Once Chris was hired, he was able to take that project off of my plate and get it done. That is an example of how we are starting to get the people we need to do everything we need to do, and stop pretending the 3 person team of old can do everything.

And so many empty promises. Nobody expects miracles, but when fanfests, an updated column, more interaction from Bungie and a community that has official support are pledged, it’s saddening when they are not fulfilled, and more so when they simply fade away without even a “no, that’s not going to happen”. I wouldn’t will them all to attend massive fan gatherings, because, let’s face it, no other game developers do, but the fact that it’s happened before and future events were promised makes it that little bit worse. I’d much rather see a fantastic Halo 3 than direct community interaction, as I’m sure we all would, but surely the purpose of a site for the community and Bungie’s having of a community team is to interact with their fans? But Bungie is just the core, the very heart of a system composed of many more organs, blood, bones and flesh.

Every minute spent on the group system is currently a minute spent not working on something cool for Halo 3 (or in the past, Halo 2). The choice for us right now is do we lost game related features or group related features... and in EVERY case, the game wins. It is simply no contest. One of the reasons the groups are getting shut off for a while is that we didn't want to do another half-assed port without taking the time to think them through and really make them interesting. And make no mistake - if we can't make them interesting, the option to leave them turned off is still open. I don't want that option, and neither does Brian. Both him and I are ardent supports of making groups work, but at the same time, we have to give them a place in bungie.net. We aren't in the business of Live Spaces or MySpace... we are in the games business. That must direct our efforts - otherwise, we risk everything for no reason.

Anyway, I think the key you have to understand is that with so little people we have to support Halo 2 and Halo 3 - I don't think you realize just what that entails. And I know you'll simply say "get more people"... but it isn't as simple as that.

  • 03.14.2007 4:21 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Fabled Mythic Member
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

It isn't as simple as that, no. It's a matter of getting the right people.

However, I don't think the right people are THAT hard to find. Hard, yes. But, insanely hard? no wai!

  • 03.14.2007 4:27 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
Bungie.net Overlord
twitter: http://twitter.com/Achronos

"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Posted by: snowmanaxt7
So, you’ll excuse the melodrama herein.


No, I won't excuse it. In any large (we have over half a million regular users, and many more lurkers and one off posters) community, you're going to have lots of different types of people. Some good, some bad. Complaining about the groups that form and the ass-kissing of mods and staff and anything else like that is counterproductive. You can't change people as a large group - you have to start small.

I'll read the rest, but understand that you can't eliminate the bad parts of the community here - the way to deal with it is to allow the good stuff to float to the top, and allow users to bypass the crap.

The community can be crudely divided up into a number of groups of very similar personalities

This is not unique to bungie.net, and is generally a waste of space to talk about. Longer-tenure members are always going to feel superior... but in some ways, they've earned it. Of course, the good ones don't lord it over people, and we have plans for dealing with people who measure themselves by their join date. By the way, in the case of the suck ups... Really people, you need to learn to ignore people. If someone says something, and they're trying to play forum cop (and doing it poorly)... the best thing to do is to simply pretend they didn't post. They have no authority, and they'll probably be reported to the mods. But you don't have to respond to them. They're doing it for attention, and if you refuse to give them that, you've already won.

The next thing they know, they’re playing Halo 2 with Bungie themselves, and a mod offer is waiting in their PM inbox!

Yeah, that's not how it works.

This deceitfulness, not the moronic proletariat, is the stem of rot. Because, make no mistake, ninjas are now picked on connections and connections alone. Formerly, the requirements to take on the ultimate responsibility included the augmenting of the community in some significant manner, and ostensibly this is still the case. Furthermore, the initial batches of moderators actually used their powers to make things happen, such as contests.... etc.

I have an example.


I sure hope so, because your facts on how moderators are selected is rather lacking in detail and a vast oversimplification.

Consider The Frozen Minority, a group of people initially from the community hub known as the Bungie Jumpers. The more exclusive – aristocratic, if you will – of these separated from the main congregation to form their own little haven, complete with some public forum moderators.

Have these people ever contributed anything to the wider community? Well, yes, one or two did. Of course, the real work behind their sole project (the Bathroom Reader) is done by those who lack such high statuses. But, for the most part, no, they haven’t. In fact, their actions have even been detrimental towards others. Not too long ago, their troupe embarked on a number of rampages throughout mainly the Halo 3 forum, where they took full advantage of the uninformed masses and/or commoners and had significant fun at their expense. Granted, they’re not the only ones to have done this, but their intentions were malicious and their moderator friends turned a blind eye. Again, they were having fun and a bit of fun isn’t a bad thing, but these people have no idea when to stop, and those of dignity who are aware of their actions – the respectable GameJunkieJim, say – are powerless to stop them without in some way endangering their relationship.


Hmm... so, what you're telling me is that you saw something happen, and a moderator didn't seem to take care of it? Did you ask a master moderator about it? Did you ask me? There is an appeals/escalation process, you know. These kinds of things get leveled at everyone all the time - yet, when asked when the person never reported it to me as it was happening, nobody ever has an answer. Could it be that it wasn't really a big deal, and is taking on undeserved significance in your mind? Come on, this is a community! Act like it! You complain over and over about the people, but if you can't even be bothered to send a PM to the guy overseeing the moderators (that would be me) when you see this kind of thing, they you are part of the problem. You don't need to be a moderator to enact change. I am not buying this "woe is us, evil moderator" part of your rant, here.

  • 03.14.2007 4:40 PM PDT

Sandswept Studios Design Director

Visit us and check out our games at Sandswept.net!

~~Pardon Our Dust.~~

Posted by: Achronos
I am not buying this "woe is us, evil moderator" part of your rant, here.


Ash called me a name once. :(

  • 03.14.2007 4:45 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Read about the Forgotten Spartan I Program
Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

Posted by: SS_Zag1
Posted by: Achronos
I am not buying this "woe is us, evil moderator" part of your rant, here.


Ash called me a name once. :(


And TGP has no Scruples!!!

I just want to thank Achronos for coming out and giving a thought out response to a community problem, since, as he stated, that's not his job. That right there, even if you don't like the moderator choices or the community involvement, proves that Bungie has hired the right people and does care about their fans.

  • 03.14.2007 4:57 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Elder Mythic Member

Seriously, I've resisted defending my group, and myself here because I find it so laughable (like how the guy who wrote wouldn't post it for one!), but may I ask why this isn't yet locked? Or even edited in places (namely the part mentioning my group)?

  • 03.14.2007 5:13 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
Bungie.net Overlord
twitter: http://twitter.com/Achronos

"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Posted by: snowmanaxt7
Fast forward half a year, and now there are four of them free to do as they please, with powers they intend not for the bettering of the community but for their own egotistical purposes. Job well done? Well, they must be good, if Bungie picked them. But Bungie didn’t, since nobody from Bungie, save Frankie and KPaul whose main interests lie in HBO and not the site they’re contracted to work for, really frequents the community. Achronos does his bit in the Septagon and occasionally travels further afield to answer in-depth or plain arrogant queries, but that’s not involving in the community on the whole. Again, the lack of a community guy is salient.


KPaul's contract is over, he doesn't work for Bungie anymore. And he originally was active a lot in that community. And I don't really care if you don't like that they post in HBO - there are other communities around Bungie games other than the one here, and they are just as deserving as you guys.

And, by the way, I read and watch way more of this site than you give me credit for - just because I don't respond doesn't mean that I'm not listening. There is simply too much to respond to. It is easy to say nothing is happening when you don't have an inside track on everything. We give a lot of inside track compared to most developers, and I think you'll find that I am going to be somewhat dismissive of this particular claim (that we aren't participating here). Even Brian does his best to watch the goings on around here, despite the high amount of noise around here. I think the rest of the community team does a pretty good job in picking up the slack.

Nosferatu_Soldie is another name of which I can make an example, though not that I really wish to since I, at least when he used to visit Bungie.net, liked him a great deal. Here was a promising new member who apparently had quite the social objectives, which isn’t a bad thing considering he didn’t act like an arse-kissing jerk publicly nor, from what I’d seen, privately. Yet in very little time at all he was promoted to the status of ninja, and here certain TFM members, ironically in that their members became moderators in practically the same manner, were outraged. The explanation for his upgrading was, apparently, that he’d played World of Warcraft with Bungie and had got to know them quite well.

That's not the whole story. He's been around a lot longer than that. Give us a little credit, here. And besides... what exactly is your complaint about him other than your ill-informed story of how he became a moderator?

He, like Jim after his acquisition of powers, faded away from Bungie.net and ceased to be quite the superb members they once were. Granted, both had plenty of personal excuse, but even when they returned more permanently the activity levels didn’t increase. Recently, too, Nosferatu became a master moderator, though his contributions to Bungie.net during the period before that were negligible. Proof of the social structure of moderator selection, and also the hypocrisy when the claim is made that moderators are picked based on contributions. That said, it’d still be excellent if he were on more often, as with so many good members of the community jumping ship, every remaining one really counts.

Now, you're just out in left field. Moderators are picked on community involvement. However, that isn't the only criteria, and we're not only talking about THIS community. Furthermore, as I'm sure dmbfan and impurity will tell you - moderating requires that you watch a little bit what you say, because you are viewed as an "official" mouthpiece, even when you're not. I'm sure the other mods can expand on this a bit. The only one who probably didn't really alter much of what he said or did was Shishka - but he didn't make any friends because he didn't take any crap from you. Of course, that prevented a lot of you from incurrring my far worse wrath...

The VII Toast affair springs to mind. He seemed a nice enough fellow – until he was elected a moderator, at which point reality surfaced and he was revealed for the savage power freak he truly is. The problem is, the community and its pleas for action against his transgressions were ignored, and it took until the senior ninjas started to take notice for him to be brought to justice. This process took well over a year, and he had already wrought considerably havoc upon the site, deleting posts, thoroughly deceiving users and banning others for no reason. During his reign, he was undoubtedly responsible for the selection of yet another poor ninja choice, and perhaps more than one. More damage done to the community. If the worst, most blatant abuser takes about a year and a half to be dealt with, it is distressing to consider that he was not the only one to have taken his privileges lightly.

Yeah, that's not how it happened. Toast started out as a good moderator, got a few warnings, and then I asked him to make a choice, and he chose not to be a moderator anymore. And don't you DARE try to infer quality of subsequent moderators on his activities - that is not a logical progression. Furthemore - it should be known that every single moderator gets pretty much constant claims of biased or unfair treatment. Well, except for Jeremiah and myself. We just get death threats. But anyway, all I will say about that is you are missing a huge part of the story about that, and assuming that it was ignored or overlooked is not accurate.

I think it is fair testament to the issues with moderating now that impurity quit his post as ninja after a short while indeed. Here was a guy who had countless discussions about the betterment of the community in olden times, who always sees the best in people and who at the same time opposes snobbery. It was a good day for all those concerned with the community’s progression and improvement when he was selected, but I think he began to realise that it was no longer possible to use his powers to any true end, and that modship had become nothing but a surface appearance. Most were content to carry on, knowing this, but he figured that he could help out more as a regular member than as an arse-kissed puppet. Dmbfan was the same, with good intentions, and quit knowing that ultimately his powers would go to waste and his better judgment wouldn’t have any effect. Moderating is a volunteer job at its core, which is fair enough, but it’s supposed to be an opening for the very best of members to serve the community in more than one way.

Okay, this section is complete and utter bull-blam!-. I'm sorry, but they quit because moderating is hard, and you have to be careful what you say and how you say it. It is hard to enjoy the forums in the same way, and those two just decided that they preferred to just have fun as part of the regular community. Don't make stupid assertions - you're becoming almost as bad as those idiot forum cops who hold moderation up on a pedestal like it is some power trip. It is hard work, and no matter what you do, someone always has something bad to say about you. This relates to the Toast thing too - one thing I always promise the mods is that I have their back to deal with those kinds of things. And quite frankly, most of the things alleged about Toast were very minor our just made up. Only toward the end when he lowered himself to the level of those making crap up about him did things get out of hand. And again I say this kind of made up stuff about "what moderating is" is part of the problem.

With living proof of how more or less anybody who follows the formulae can become a moderator... their personality masks are liable to change on a whim, since it is not really their own character posting, but rather a stereotype with a specific purpose.

Oh my god, I hope your next is post is better than this one. This is because people can and do make hundreds of spam and troll accounts because they can - there is very little to stop this kind of thing. People routinely trade passports around and let others use their accounts, and such. The moderators know about lots of this, but they can't do much because they don't have the tools to deal with it. It is also out of their job responsibility.

Seriously, you went off the deep end with this part. You make lots of incorrect assumptions about moderators and how things work, and use them to support conclusions that aren't even entirely correct based on the assumptions... I'm not trying to pretend everything is all rosy, but you guys are STILL focusing on the wrong thing.

Hint: the moderators have very little to do with it... it has to do with the fact that bungie.net does very little to truely encourage positive participation... we have lots of negative reinforcement, but no postive reinforcement.

  • 03.14.2007 5:21 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
Bungie.net Overlord
twitter: http://twitter.com/Achronos

"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Posted by: snowmanaxt7
First – Bungie.net needs its community guy. Sketch seems a perfectly nice chap so it’d be a shame to see him go, but a doer and not a deserter is required. If he can fulfil that role again, then excellent. If not, then an alternative must be sought. Thus, a more intimate relationship can be established between the community and Bungie. The other staff members who can help, should, since their responsibility is foremost to Bungie.net and not HBO. I’m not suggesting at all that the community should be restricted just to Bungie.net, but the Bnet community needs to be the chief priority of those contracted to work for it.


Bungie needs someone dedicated to online community management, as I said before. But again, you are trying to dismiss the importance of sites like HBO, and that simply is an incorrect course of action and won't be happening.

Secondly, the exclusive social clubs must be dispersed and the snobbery forced out of the members on punishment of a banning. They must realise that all but the worst spammers and the greatest snobs have a right to participate as long as they follow the rules, and it is the moderators’ job, not theirs, to ensure that the people do just that. Many people on Bungie.net seek attention and nothing more, so permitting them it is not a good encouragement to the better spirit of the community. Some of the girls, sadly, get attention just because of their sex, and more sadly, some of them even enjoy it to no end (though thankfully most do not). Some of the site staff are guilty of such attention-doling, also, and it seems not that the humpdays and the intimate friendships between staff and girls have any other root than gender.

So... like I've always said - ignore the morons, report them to mods. How is this any different than what we've ALWAYS said. And how many times do people ignore us? This doesn't count as a solution - nothing changes when you just say it. You've simply given yet another writeup of a known issue, yet you have still not provided anything in the way of a solution.

Thirdly, the ninja selection has gone out of control.

What the hell are you talking about? What ninja selection? We hardly ever get new ninjas, and of those, only ONE has ever left under somewhat bad circumstances. I think your letting some personal feelings get in the way here. If you have a problem with a moderator, how come you've never messaged me about it? If it isn't important enough for you to send me a message about it, then why should I be expected to care about it?

Fourthly, the community needs to do things as one. Chapters can play in their exclusive little groups, but the Flood should be a forum for everyone to talk off-topic, not stupidly, and the Septagon should be for those from all “walks of life” to congregate and discuss matters at hand. A few gaming events here and there can’t hurt, after all. Division amongst people is always inevitable, but at current there is no opportunity for anything to be different. Again, that is why chapters exist, and the fact that so few chapters are successful is reflection that people do not need them, as their little groups grow in public forums, slowly infected public property and morphing it to private.

Uh... I'm not really sure what you're talking about here. It seems you want everyone to be of one mind (that agrees with you)... but since we're not all of one mind, that doesn't work. Idealism is fine and all, but expecting it in a community of this size exhibits that you don't really understand the problems at hand.

I am being hugely idealistic here, and apologies are due to those whom I have misled into thinking that a perfect community is a realistic prospect. Nevertheless, there needs to be more incentive for the interested users to stick around than the prospect of modship (and with so many moderators being chosen seemingly at random, this lure is a very large one), and also for the lovers of the games.

That's not what you said earlier. And as I've already said, the fundamental problem is that there is no positive reinforcement (and no, being a mod is not positive reinforcement).

Perhaps a better fanbase would actually encourage more Bungie staff members to log on.

Most Bungie staff are not permitted to speak to the fans as they have not been appropriately trained to not say something that would have bad consequences. Those that do speak out tend to do so elsewhere, because it easier to hide in plain sight, so to speak. This is a roundabout way of saying that you're probably stuck with just me and Frankie.

Everyone is so scared of authority and damaging their chances of becoming ninjas these days that they are afraid to speak their mind. Take it from somebody who has devoted countless hours to trying to improve things both publicly and privately, and who has seen many great members fade away to be forgotten.

Ultimately, I am wasting my words. Next thing you know, JAY132 and Jeff McCrae will be sitting there proudly with the titles of “Forum Ninja” under their usernames. It saddens me that I would no longer be surprised to see this happen.
– A most disgruntled former Bungie.net user


Maybe you are afraid to speak your mind, but in my experience that is not a common problem here. You'll find that I, at least, hardly ever use my Ignore PMs button - even for those that send me death threats.

  • 03.14.2007 5:35 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Fabled Mythic Member
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Posted by: Achronos
Of course, that prevented a lot of you from incurrring my far worse wrath...


Oh come on Achronos...We all know you're just a big lovable teddy bear............with whom our moms like to cuddle with on a regular basis.....

*goes in corner and cries*

  • 03.14.2007 5:35 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
Bungie.net Overlord
twitter: http://twitter.com/Achronos

"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Why should it be locked? It is on topic, not a flame, sparking conversation. In every way, it is a good forum post. Just because you and your group happen to be made not to look so hot, doesn't make it something to be locked.

I may not agree with his points in some ways, but that doesn't make it something to stop. That's not how things work here. That might be why the OP things you'd be a crappy moderator, Jay. :)

Posted by: JAY132
Seriously, I've resisted defending my group, and myself here because I find it so laughable (like how the guy who wrote wouldn't post it for one!), but may I ask why this isn't yet locked? Or even edited in places (namely the part mentioning my group)?

  • 03.14.2007 5:38 PM PDT

Official Town Drunk of Sandwichia. Nation of the Flood.
MBT - Impossible Just Happened
* How is it that "Fat Chance" and "Slim Chance" mean the same thing?
* If you choke a Smurf, what color will it turn?

XBOX User Space profile

Is Achronos done typing, I mean pwning, him yet?

If so, then it was a very well thought out post. No member could have made a post like that because they are not informed as well as him.

so ya...

I guess the issue got all it's answers now, or most of them anyways.

Posted by: Kilroy
Posted by: Achronos
Of course, that prevented a lot of you from incurrring my far worse wrath...


Oh come on Achronos...We all know you're just a big lovable teddy bear............with whom our moms like to cuddle with on a regular basis.....

*goes in corner and cries*


Achronos on a good day maybe?

IDK why, but that scares the s*** out of me.

[Edited on 3/14/2007]

  • 03.14.2007 5:39 PM PDT

SB-117

Posted by: Achronos
:)

OMG!

  • 03.14.2007 5:47 PM PDT

Sandswept Studios Design Director

Visit us and check out our games at Sandswept.net!

~~Pardon Our Dust.~~

Posted by: ash55
Posted by: Achronos
:)

OMG!


Aaaaaaaaaahhh!!!
The End is truly upon us! Head for the hills!

Oh, seriously though. Uh. ..

This seems to completely disprove that the Bungie Web Team (or at least Achronos) is not active enough in the community. Also, I don't want to call out Jeremiah from hiding, but I noticed he joined the Seventh Column PAX get-together group, which means he's obviously not completely avoiding the forums..

I think they're around a lot more, as Achronos has even said, than a lot of us give them credit for. It's kind of spooky. :D

Yes... very spooky.

[Edited on 3/14/2007 by Achronos]

  • 03.14.2007 6:04 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Fabled Mythic Member
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Posted by: ash55
Posted by: Achronos
:)

OMG!


Evilest. Emoticon. Ever.

That emoticon's got plans man. I'm tellin ya. He's dastardly, that one!

  • 03.14.2007 6:12 PM PDT

Posted by: SS_Zag1
Posted by: ash55
Posted by: Achronos
:)

OMG!


Aaaaaaaaaahhh!!!
The End is truly upon us! Head for the hills!

[/end of world] :D

[Edited on 3/14/2007]

  • 03.14.2007 6:14 PM PDT

Why the hell are you looking at this? Get out.

And no group invites, you jerk. I'm not interested.

All right already. What, that's like seven (:O) off topic threads about Achronos's... happiness?

  • 03.14.2007 6:19 PM PDT

SB-117

Hmmm... I have started a string of spam it seems. I'm sorry. Get back on topic, or bannage will ensue, yeah... You know the drill...

Quickly now... Achronos is watching.

[Edited on 3/14/2007]

  • 03.14.2007 6:19 PM PDT

Veteran member of The Frozen Minority.

Posted by: Achronos
Why should it be locked? It is on topic, not a flame, sparking conversation. In every way, it is a good forum post. Just because you and your group happen to be made not to look so hot, doesn't make it something to be locked.

I may not agree with his points in some ways, but that doesn't make it something to stop. That's not how things work here. That might be why the OP things you'd be a crappy moderator, Jay. :)

Posted by: JAY132
Seriously, I've resisted defending my group, and myself here because I find it so laughable (like how the guy who wrote wouldn't post it for one!), but may I ask why this isn't yet locked? Or even edited in places (namely the part mentioning my group)?

So how come all of the threads that Shai made about how the community is going downhill and he blames YOU guys (the Bungie staff), it gets locked almost right away? That's not really fair is it?

  • 03.14.2007 6:24 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Elder Mythic Member

Posted by: Achronos
Why should it be locked? It is on topic, not a flame, sparking conversation. In every way, it is a good forum post. Just because you and your group happen to be made not to look so hot, doesn't make it something to be locked.

I may not agree with his points in some ways, but that doesn't make it something to stop. That's not how things work here. That might be why the OP things you'd be a crappy moderator, Jay. :)

Posted by: JAY132
Seriously, I've resisted defending my group, and myself here because I find it so laughable (like how the guy who wrote wouldn't post it for one!), but may I ask why this isn't yet locked? Or even edited in places (namely the part mentioning my group)?


Who's the OP? That would be like me saying ASD Tugs > VS Tugs simply because they operate the PP mode Bow first. Just to put it into perspective.

[Edited on 3/14/2007]

  • 03.14.2007 6:37 PM PDT

Veteran member of The Frozen Minority.

Posted by: JAY132
Posted by: Achronos
Why should it be locked? It is on topic, not a flame, sparking conversation. In every way, it is a good forum post. Just because you and your group happen to be made not to look so hot, doesn't make it something to be locked.

I may not agree with his points in some ways, but that doesn't make it something to stop. That's not how things work here. That might be why the OP things you'd be a crappy moderator, Jay. :)

Posted by: JAY132
Seriously, I've resisted defending my group, and myself here because I find it so laughable (like how the guy who wrote wouldn't post it for one!), but may I ask why this isn't yet locked? Or even edited in places (namely the part mentioning my group)?


Who's the OP? That would be like me saying ASD Tugs > VS Tugs simply because they operate the PP mode Bow first. Just to put it into perspective.

Maybe he's talkin' about Obie Trice? He's a cool hippidy oppidy guy.

[Edited on 3/14/2007]

  • 03.14.2007 6:39 PM PDT

Veteran member of The Frozen Minority.

I think I may have figured it out. I did a Bungie.net search on "OP", and it seems as if "OP" is a short form for cooperative.

[Edited on 3/14/2007]

  • 03.14.2007 6:44 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Fabled Mythic Member
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

i think he means the "onry person" mb?

  • 03.14.2007 6:44 PM PDT

Sandswept Studios Design Director

Visit us and check out our games at Sandswept.net!

~~Pardon Our Dust.~~

I hope you guys aren't serious.
Of course, Jeff McRae? Serious? Hah!

Just in case you are serious:
Original Poster, maybe? (aka Topic Starter)

  • 03.14.2007 6:52 PM PDT

Veteran member of The Frozen Minority.

Posted by: SS_Zag1
I hope you guys aren't serious.
Of course, Jeff McRae? Serious? Hah!

Just in case you are serious:
Original Poster, maybe? (aka Topic Starter)

Oh, hmm. Well I thought maybe Achronos was hinting to us that Halo 3 might have cooperative play. Ah, I guess we'll have to stick with good ol' multiplayer then!

  • 03.14.2007 6:53 PM PDT