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Subject: The 7th Column, The Community, It's Guy, and The Lack There Of

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Posted by: Jeff McRae
Oh, hmm. Well I thought maybe Achronos was hinting to us that Halo 3 might have cooperative play. Ah, I guess we'll have to stick with good ol' multiplayer then!


*pats on the head*

Good boy.

Anyone else notice that it's threads like this that really bring the community together? ;) Ironic. Like Iron.

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  • 03.14.2007 6:54 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Those threads started off well, but unfortunately went to hell. This thread could still do that. But it hasn't yet. Shai's threads were only locked after the discussion ended and the flaming started, IIRC.

Posted by: Jeff McRae
So how come all of the threads that Shai made about how the community is going downhill and he blames YOU guys (the Bungie staff), it gets locked almost right away? That's not really fair is it?

  • 03.14.2007 7:06 PM PDT
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IIRC?

Dang it! MORE acronym's that the less than smrt among us can comprehend?

igloos....in......red.......coffee....???

yah......I got nothin....

  • 03.14.2007 7:08 PM PDT

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

IIRC = If I remember correctly.

  • 03.14.2007 7:09 PM PDT
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o.

thx.

  • 03.14.2007 7:09 PM PDT

because if seeing is believing,
then believe that we have lost our eyes

I never expect the people who actually work at Bungie to post very often. I'm surprised how much achronos hangs around ( which is a good thing).

  • 03.14.2007 7:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: phoenix67
I never expect the people who actually work at Bungie to post very often. I'm surprised how much achronos hangs around ( which is a good thing).


Actually, I hear they found him on the sidewalk outside, and they realized he was pretty good at posting things on the forums.. He doesn't work there, he just kind of.. Homelesses his way around the studio.

  • 03.14.2007 7:18 PM PDT

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Posted by: phoenix67
I never expect the people who actually work at Bungie to post very often. I'm surprised how much achronos hangs around ( which is a good thing).

Yeah.. it seems he's posting a lot often these days. I remember a few months ago it was more rare for him to post. Either that or my memory is jogged.

  • 03.14.2007 7:19 PM PDT

because if seeing is believing,
then believe that we have lost our eyes

Posted by: SS_Zag1
Posted by: phoenix67
I never expect the people who actually work at Bungie to post very often. I'm surprised how much achronos hangs around ( which is a good thing).


Actually, I hear they found him on the sidewalk outside, and they realized he was pretty good at posting things on the forums.. He doesn't work there, he just kind of.. Homelesses his way around the studio.


Yeah, but I heard he had to be beaten with a wet noodle by the big black dude who works at the front door keeping out fans. I guess by homeless you mean cubicleless.

  • 03.14.2007 7:21 PM PDT

I rarely post, but I think some people could learn something from what I have to say.

When I joined b.net, I (like most, I suppose) looked to the moderators and employees with respect (especially once the shiny text was given to them alone). I too desired that respect and so set out to be a good poster. I ended up getting banned by Shishka - and I became more careful. I posted things when I had an opinion, I occasionally mentioned the rules, I was active.

But then, after some noisy forum drama had settled, I read a post by Recon about the no-reply button. (Maybe it was called something else ;) It was then that I realized that I should only post when I could add constructively to a discussion. Since then, I have lurked. In the past year, I have posted only a few times (almost all in the un-stickied networking thread) - becuase I knew what I was talking about where others didn't.

A discussion has no need of echoes, or flattery, or posturing. We have the entire internet and linking to it is as easy as can be. Posts should stand on merit, on content, not the number of people who quote it or say that it was well written.

So, be silent and speak only when you believe what you have to say will enlighten others.

  • 03.14.2007 7:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: EastBeast
I rarely post, but I think some people could learn something from what I have to say.

When I joined b.net, I (like most, I suppose) looked to the moderators and employees with respect (especially once the shiny text was given to them alone). I too desired that respect and so set out to be a good poster. I ended up getting banned by Shishka - and I became more careful. I posted things when I had an opinion, I occasionally mentioned the rules, I was active.

But then, after some noisy forum drama had settled, I read a post by Recon about the no-reply button. (Maybe it was called something else ;) It was then that I realized that I should only post when I could add constructively to a discussion. Since then, I have lurked. In the past year, I have posted only a few times (almost all in the un-stickied networking thread) - becuase I knew what I was talking about where others didn't.

A discussion has no need of echoes, or flattery, or posturing. We have the entire internet and linking to it is as easy as can be. Posts should stand on merit, on content, not the number of people who quote it or say that it was well written.

So, be silent and speak only when you believe what you have to say will enlighten others.


This was well written. ..




.. No, just kidding. I actually have something to say concerning this post. I'd have to comment; if everyone wrote like this, and only posted when there was something to be said, (maybe minus the occasional hilarious comment that's too good to pass up) the forums would be a lot cleaner, and things would go smoother. Of course, this requires self-control, patience, and maturity, three things of which I don't have enough of, along with thousands of other users. Point? I have no idea. Be good, and Santa will bring you presents? Be good and the community will improve? (although I find it rather well off at the moment)

Interpret as you will, but I believe this is great advice that would've prevented about.. 1.. 2..

5 threads today. ;)

  • 03.14.2007 7:54 PM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

Wow. Just way too much yellow for me here. I read everything but I swear I am tired and I cannot fit all this in. So I will just touch on the things I can remember.

* TFM - Great group of guys. I don't know all of them but for the most part they are very tight knit and freely speak their minds on subjects they feel strongly about. From what I can tell is when one of their own disagrees the accept it and move on. Quite frankly if you don't like them just ignore them. I think it would be what they want anyways.

* Bungie Jumpers - Myself and a slew of other Ninjas are a part of this group. Basically I find it as a great place where we treat each other as group of normal people. Just because some of us are mods holds no weight at all in there. I find it very refreshing to be in a place where I don't have to worry about every little thing I say. To touch on the TFM part there are many of them in there as well. The same holds true for how they treat us as they do each other. Sometimes it can seem like we are brash but in the end you must realize that in there you must fire back and stand your ground. If you do not show some backbone you will run off thinking we are all just mean guys. I can't speak for them but it does seem to me that people who are not afraid to speak there mind and stand up for themselves do survive in the Jumpers. One last point on this part. You also need to read the home page. Granted it is in Latin but it does say "Abandon all hope to ye who enter." If that doesn't tell you what you might be in for then I don't what will.

* Jay and Jeff - What can I say. They can come off as brash, arrogant, rude, and they will more than likely say something that gets under your skin. I love them for it. They speak up for what they believe in and hold true to it. I commend them for it. I don't know them as well as the rest of the guys in TFM and Jumpers do but I can say that if you gain their respect then you will have a great pair of people to have fun. I just need to find time to play with them more.

* The Spartan Bruce thread - To me it was just (how to put this).....oh yeah it was -blam!- hilarious. I have never laughed so hard reading a thread on this site. Did it get out of hand? Yes it did. Was it taken care of? Yes it was. Now get over it.

* The moderator stuff - I don't even no where to begin with this one. Apparently the mod class of '07 broke the Septagon today. Too many threads about moderators and they are starting to seem like it was because of our actions. I for one could care less if I became a mod. Now I will say I was gigdy when I got it because it was a cool new thing and of course now I could help make the forums a better place. I knew it was going to be hard but some of the stuff you cannot prepare for. Now as I learn and grow in my new role I am getting more comfortable with my duties. As for the picking of mods all I can say is meh. They are picked on criteria that Achronos has set down and the other mods give their feedback to who they think will make a good one. Achronos has the final say in the matter. I cannot comment on the other mods who have stepped down. That was between them and Achronos and is of no concern to me.

Now I cannot remember what else I wanted to touch on. Too much at once I suppose or my old age as some would have me believe. Oh well. I guess if I remember anything else I can post it later.

Oh and any moderator problems can always be traced back to Cam. I have no proof of this but it is my story and I am sticking to it.

  • 03.14.2007 8:06 PM PDT
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A way to better the forums...? Make everyone feel welcome, equal.

From my experiences I see groups of guys that know eachother, or think they know alot, cruising around the forums boosting themselves and putting down anyone that offends the circle of friends. I think this needs to stop.
New members don't start with a bunch of guys who know them and befriend them, and even older members that don't interact much are relatively unknown, there is no way for anyone to get to know them... (IRC can help though, and even posting...)
I have been a member for a little while now, but due to my busy life, have not been able to interact in the forum/communtiy very often. Many newer members know more about forum/community happenings than I do... So I cop it a bit more than 'bob' that everyone knows. And if I insult 'bob' in someway, purposefully or not, I'm going to cop it bad from all his fans/buddies...

Now that I think about it... There's no solution. People side with friends, people automaticaly look down on those less educated than them, new people get little respect.

Ah well... When someone comes up with a solution, let us know....

(Off topic? I'm confused...)

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  • 03.14.2007 8:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: EastBeast
It was then that I realized that I should only post when I could add constructively to a discussion. Since then, I have lurked. In the past year, I have posted only a few times (almost all in the un-stickied networking thread) - because I knew what I was talking about where others didn't.

A discussion has no need of echoes, or flattery, or posturing. We have the entire internet and linking to it is as easy as can be. Posts should stand on merit, on content, not the number of people who quote it or say that it was well written.

So, be silent and speak only when you believe what you have to say will enlighten others.

Even after 2 years of doing that, there's almost no point in the long run. It's like pouring out a bucket of water from a lake once a week. There's not enough incentive to constantly post on a non-regular basis with replies that have some thought put in them.

  • 03.14.2007 8:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Captain K Mart
Even after 2 years of doing that, there's almost no point in the long run. It's like pouring out a bucket of water from a lake once a week. There's not enough incentive to constantly post on a non-regular basis with replies that have some thought put in them.


And I'm going to beat Achronos to it.
If he planned on getting to it.. >_>

The New New Hawtness is apparently supposed to hold a feature so powerful, so horrifying, so sexy, that even Evilcam himself could not break it. It's intended to reward members based on positive behavior, as opposed to the current system which holds.. Respect.

Who wants respect? Sheesh. That's like, old-school stuff. No one likes old-school stuff. I want shiny.

  • 03.14.2007 8:34 PM PDT

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I work for the Department of Defense.

I cant belive im actually running IE just to post in this insane thread...

I am also freeking tired, and theres no way i could read all that. But i tried to readd most or at least, some important parts. To settle all this would be impossible. Bungie isn't a utopia, and never will be. Nothing will ever reach a state of (sp) utopiism Its just not going to happen. Some of the forums are in dissaray, i honestly think IP banning and even .net passport restrictions would make this forum A LOT less crap-ridden. But thats not the case, so you really just have to deal with all the stupidity and accept it.

You cant fix a forum that supports free will IMO. there will allways be differenecs in opinion and what not, therefore disputes will allways occur.

If anything, this thread should serve as a good refererance to the on-going efforts to make bungie.net more and more of a cool place to be.

My eyes hurt, i hate IE, and i also dont have spell check like i do on FF, so ima quite while i cant see if im ahead.

  • 03.14.2007 8:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Darkm0d
(sp) utopiism

That's not even a WORD. It's utopianism!

Guys, that big long line of Achronos-praise isn't helping to disprove the original post. He posted some stuff, big whoop!

-TGP-

  • 03.14.2007 9:46 PM PDT

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This original post made me laugh. First off, why cant the original writer just post it himself? He claims to be the only one brave enough to speak his own mind, yet does it from the shadows where no one can find him. Haha. That's just dumb. Secondly, tons of people contradict or disagree with the mods openly without facing bans. I mean as long as you do it tastefully and without any grief, you're just having a conversation, which is what a forum is all about in the first place. People just need to learn to follow the rules, punch people in the arm instead of the face, and move on.

  • 03.14.2007 10:32 PM PDT
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* The Spartan Bruce thread - To me it was just (how to put this).....oh yeah it was -blam!- hilarious. I have never laughed so hard reading a thread on this site. Did it get out of hand? Yes it did. Was it taken care of? Yes it was. Now get over it.



SB117 Fo Lyf. I agree with Achilles for this one.

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I'm "D king"
Posted by: King Karp
I would never eat a pet, as in an animal.
Now, if it was a pet cake or pie, then Hell YEAH! I'd eat that -blam!- man!

this thread is correct in every single way, the turn of events have seen my group (that was
extremely popular considering it was only made three days ago) member countdrop from 14
to 5, ive now deleted every ones posts in the forum so i can start over. sadly ive had no
more replies

bungie.net is the same but of course it wont fade as fast.

  • 03.14.2007 11:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deaths Divinity
Posted by: spartakus14
Is Achronos done typing, I mean pwning, him yet?


All of you guys are right... nobody brown noses at all on here.


Yes, because I really care about becoming a moderator on a website when I have an education to worry about, and then getting into the appropriate school so I can become a police officer like I want to.

Go back to your cave.

[Edited on 3/15/2007]

  • 03.15.2007 5:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: spartakus14
Posted by: Deaths Divinity
Posted by: spartakus14
Is Achronos done typing, I mean pwning, him yet?


All of you guys are right... nobody brown noses at all on here.


Yes, because I really care about becoming a moderator on a website when I have an education to worry about, and then getting into the appropriate school so I can become a police officer like I want to.

Go back to your cave.


He lives in a cave? he must be batman, and you want to be a police officer so your on the same side, you should be freinds.
Sorry to pollute this thread.

  • 03.15.2007 5:51 AM PDT