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anyone who's played more than you has no life

anyone who's played less than you is a noob

It's as if this forum is more important to you than the real world :-/

I never understood why people would want to moderate - constant hassle if you ask me. If the "ninjas" were actually ninjas - i.e. they were invisible to the rest of the forum goers, there wouldnt be the problem of sycophants around every corner. No white text, no special avatar and no little title. When someone needs a thread locked, they lock it. When someone needs banning, they get banned. A PM from a mod could be anonymous - it could be titled "from forum staff". Maybe that way people wouldnt play forum cop to impress and wouldnt show how well they can click quote & add an ass kissing remark.

But this will never happen - turkeys don't vote for Christmas, you know.

  • 03.15.2007 5:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: Deaths Divinity
I hate to tell you recon, but you werent involved in certain discussions between moderators and members.

I haven't laughed so hard all day! And I'm about to go to bed!

Oh you really crack me up.
-TGP-

  • 03.15.2007 7:16 AM PDT
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OMG!!! Gaming For The Fun Of It In The UK and Europe!

The OMG Community Montage - a unique Halo3 DVD montage.

Don't try arguing with idiots. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

You're right - you're the all seeing, all knowing super-hero of Bungie.net! You and your crack team of spandex clad buddies are solely responsible for Toast leaving! Do you have a searchlight & symbol we can use to call you when we need to?

The fact that you completely misunderstood the point of Recons post is funny in itself. The fact that you think that you have a bit of 'inside information' and that the rest of the ninjas don't go and discuss every little part of that with each other is just fúcking hilarious. You're basing your arguments on a tiny fractio of truth and assuming you know everything.

You're not that big. You're not that important. Bungie.net and the world will not come to an end if you stop stirring the shít. Honestly!

BASE

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  • 03.15.2007 8:07 AM PDT

The War will wage forever; though with it's fury comes a peace that you will never know here.

My thoughts on this: (and yes, this is a counter-rant (of sorts))

Having perused through the majority of this thread, I can understand the points made UP to mention of The Frozen Minority (also known via the acronym TFM), at which point the vents activated.

I can agree that Jeff and Jay can be real -blam!-s, jerks, or whatever word you would prefer to use that is synonymous with someone who you really-dont-enjoy. I can tell you this based on firsthand experience with their antics. Not only that, I can GUARANTEE (with numerous witnesses, if this were a crime) that I've experienced it moreso that you, snowmanaxt.

Now yes, there is controversy surrounding the appointment of moderators. Yes, we tend to have an elitist and exclusivistic approach when it comes to our inner group workings. However, this is not without good reason.
My personal views of this system are that it accomplishes the goal of denying social access to our collective to, as frankie would aptly put it in his Weekly Updates: Anonymous foul-mouthed teenage homophobes.
While not everyone has all the aforementioned qualities, many are pretty damn close as it were.

Now on to our mutual friends Jay132 and Jeff McRae. Dont get me wrong, there have been times where I would have happily sent Daedra hordes on murderous rampages in their houses, or summoned Molag Bal to devour them, or tried to wring their necks or cause other forms of harm. But that, inherently, is the fuel for a rant: rage.

Now those two have pissed me off on numerous occassions. I've learned (somewhat) to ignore them at present to a degree. It's hard as Hell, but it helps.

Nonetheless, you do not do them justice. They are great guys and I love em to death (despite rocky experiences with both), and while there are times where I'd love to send A-10 Thunderbolts to their homes, I still think they're great guys, and have had many good times in their company.

Furthermore, do NOT presume to label a group in your rantings. When you apply a bad label to a group, that label applies to ALL members under it's banner. Not just the select few who you really despise.
Based on my time spent on these forums (I personally view some of them as endless quagmires of verbal trash), I'm sure myself and other (but not all) members of the Minority have done you no harm. While I could have ignored this, I chose to post and come to the aid (whether they need it or not) of those I view as friends. By your actions, you have called me out of the void of Oblivion (both literally and figuratively) to address the wrongs I feel you have made.

Given the other responses, you clearly havent researched enough to support your allegations regarding other moderators. It's ignorant. If you want to hear good examples of Ignorance, listen to Bill O'Reilly on the radio and see what goes on in the 'No Spin Zone'. (No offense, of course, to those with a directional right in political alignment).

Which brings me to my point: If you feel like attacking a group, make sure you're going after it in it's entirety, not just a few of it's members. Also, if you've got a beef with someone then take it up with them, rather than announcing it to the mob.

  • 03.15.2007 9:53 AM PDT
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You've got to think crazy, of course, because you only get innovation by refining insanity. - Jason Jones

After reading all of the original post and achronos's answers i have again come to the conclusion i and other members came to before. I simply do not understand why members of this community think its a democracy. This place is here for our benifit and in some cases "feedback" for bungie. We have absolutely no say so, nor does achronos have to reply to some of the ridiculous posts about his and bungies apparent "lack of interaction, and abaondonemnt" of this site.

The golden rule is in play here, If you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all"

And if you dont like the way moderators are chosen and who they are, and you cant stand threads that are on the forums then dont reply or quit coming here.

This is not an ass kissery post, this is just my view on the forums and community. I really think from the time of the halo 2 announcment, up to now the place has gone to crap because of members complaining and the politics that have sprung up.

  • 03.15.2007 11:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cockburnicus
You missed the point like Vader missed the banshee, your whole argument is covered in bees.
Stop sending me group invites -blam!-s!

The VII Toast affair springs to mind. He seemed a nice enough fellow – until he was elected a moderator, at which point reality surfaced and he was revealed for the savage power freak he truly is. The problem is, the community and its pleas for action against his transgressions were ignored, and it took until the senior ninjas started to take notice for him to be brought to justice. This process took well over a year, and he had already wrought considerably havoc upon the site, deleting posts, thoroughly deceiving users and banning others for no reason.


How can you say that about my love?

I <3 Toast. I used to dedicate my sig to him and we would have deep conversations on msn, but he has stopped using the interwewbs lately... *sigh*

  • 03.15.2007 11:55 AM PDT
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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: scruss
The golden rule is in play here, If you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all"


Yeah!

Hey, wait a minute, that's not the golden rule!

  • 03.15.2007 11:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: muffin man one

I <3 Toast. I used to dedicate my sig to him and we would have deep conversations on msn, but he has stopped using the interwewbs lately... *sigh*


Id assume his mother wont let him on anymore.

Id assume she'd be pretty pissed after finding out about his latest internet adventure.

  • 03.15.2007 12:20 PM PDT

Posted by: scruss
The golden rule is in play here, If you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all"


I thought the golden rule was "treat others as you want to be treated?" I like the rough stuff, so we're good there.

  • 03.15.2007 12:24 PM PDT
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Deaths Divinity. Dude. The Toast issue was settled. You didn't have to bring it up again. Recon "attacked" you because you brought up a sensitive subject unnecessarily and put it under the most negative light possible. It. Was. Not. Necessary.

  • 03.15.2007 12:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kilroy
Deaths Divinity. Dude. The Toast issue was settled. You didn't have to bring it up again. Recon "attacked" you because you brought up a sensitive subject unnecessarily and put it under the most negative light possible. It. Was. Not. Necessary.


you are acting like he went about raping people's mothers. Its fine for discussion, as long as it is mature imho.

  • 03.15.2007 1:11 PM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

Posted by: Gendo
you are acting like he went about raping people's mothers. Its fine for discussion, as long as it is mature imho.


I agree that a good, mature discussion on raping mothers is a good way to pass the afternoon so long as it stays discussion. The actual act is never good, regardless of how maturely its done.

Wait, I thought you gave up on this thread?


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  • 03.15.2007 1:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: twinkiemaker
Wait, I thought you gave up on this thread?


No-one will play gears with me :(

  • 03.15.2007 1:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Deaths Divinity
Yes TGP, the good old, no point, so I will attempt humor. If I wasnt involved in conversations, why was I able to so easily list some of the topics found in some of the threads in HFCS?

This quote right here...
like all of the moderators agreeing not to lock the skulls thread, letting users back in as long as they dont reference their other accounts, etc.

You are absolutly right, I dont talk with anyone at all, I just get these topics from my ESP by "feeling" for a group that I am not in. I am glad that you caught me... being a psychic is far more likely than me having conversations that recon wouldnt be involved in, or knowledgeable about. Damn, how did I not see that?

What, so I guess you were in every conversation between moderators and members?

Yes, of course you were.

My point is, it's not really nice and/or correct to dismiss someone from the discussion because they weren't in the same conversations as you were.

-TGP-

  • 03.15.2007 2:18 PM PDT
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You've got to think crazy, of course, because you only get innovation by refining insanity. - Jason Jones

I should point out that i personally love this community, its the best on the net as far as im concerned. Of course with any community you will have issues, the problem comes when people start placing blame on others for what they think are issues. I come here for the environment, amoungst all of the repeat threads are some good discussions.

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  • 03.15.2007 2:30 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

You are not in a position to be saying such things given your attempt at describing the situation with Toast yet being so completely wrong about it.

Let he who has no faults throw the first stone...

Posted by: Deaths Divinity
All of you guys are right... nobody brown noses at all on here.

  • 03.15.2007 2:33 PM PDT
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Once again dude. The discussion. Is. Over.

Arguing about how "horrible" a person was is futile. You have your opinion, i have mine, recon has his, everyone else has theirs. We know what yours is. Got it. End of discussion. Stop trying to "defend" yourself from these "attacks."

  • 03.15.2007 2:48 PM PDT