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Subject: The 7th Column, The Community, It's Guy, and The Lack There Of

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

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Let he who has no faults throw the first stone...



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  • 03.15.2007 3:00 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Hmm...

Posted by: Deaths Divinity
to tell you recon, but you werent involved in certain discussions between moderators and members. I also hate to tell you, but word spreads quickly, especially when PMs are sent to users containing parts of this discussion. Private discussions.... like all of the moderators agreeing not to lock the skulls thread, letting users back in as long as they dont reference their other accounts, etc. you dont mean anything like those private discussions, or that I have been messaged with private info, ask achronos on this one, as I wont post it because it would be really wrong to do so.


I don't think you are talking about the correct thing here. We were talking about Toast, right? In which case, no Recon is correct, you are not. Those discussions and such that you linked were the very last step, and you missed a lot of the beginning part. So, I suggest you stop talking about it... because it is none of your business and tainting your comments with half truths and some outright lies about that situation to not help your credibility.

Do you not realize the contradiction in this post? Noise, disruption, but no attention was given? That makes perfect sense to me. Which is why the forum posted was spammed by moderators of this site? Your right, it had no effect. If it was taking its course, why did it take over 1 year, yet he was removed less than two weeks after the posting of the goatse man thread?

You are associating the wrong cause with an effect and omitting a huge part of the backstory. Context is key.


I hate to tell you, but if you take a look in that group I posted, quite a few people agreed with the points presented, and actually got quite involved in refining them. Not to mention PMs sent on this site of moderators proclaiming their support of the removal of toast.


Um... the difference being the moderators weren't also engaged in making up or exaggerating stories about his conduct (which did happen, and not just to Toast). Sounds like the moderators were being professional about it, and you are simply assuming things from a limited vantage point. I don't see you having access to everybody's PMs and groups... oh wait, that'd be me.

There is a difference between you and me recon, you are speaking for the authority, and bias your opinions as to not acknowledge anything but the "leaderships" good features, while I post the good and the bad.

No, the difference between him and you is that he is a consummate professional, one of the best moderators on any site anywhere, and you are someone who posts the good and the bad without really understanding any of the facts behind things.

Now, the greatest point in all of this is that recon insists that they were already investigating the matter. So, there are a few possible conclusions which could be reached.

1. They were investigating the matter and didnt find all of the things that were easily found by others.
2. They did know of toasts wrong doings and allowed someone clearly in the wrong to retain their powers and act with them freely
3. They werent investigating at all and this is yet another case of the truth being less than prevalent


1. Or we found multiple evidence that was fabricated (that happened a whole bunch).
2. This didn't happen.
3. "Another case?" Hmm... sounds like someone who was banned earlier is on an alt...

So, were you incompetent, lying, or did you allow someone clearly in the wrong to continue his wrong doings?

Or you are misinformed? Perhaps you are the one making illogical assumptions, then?

It is clear to me that atleast in part, your post was an attempt to reinforce the control of this site, you seem to have it in your mind that someone is trying to take your baby. The fact is that nobody wants it, so actions to prevent it are not needed, much less desireable or anything but a general annoyance and waste of time.

What the hell? What are you talking about? It isn't his site. It is Bungie's site. Stop trying to obfuscate the point.

Please, stop trying to attack my character, which seems to have been the goal of you mentioning the word "ego" like a trained parrot. If I really wanted to inflate myself I would, but I am not trying to do that, so dont question it. Stick to the points, I didnt attack you, so dont attack me.

Yes, you did. Specifically, you suggested that both myself and the other moderators are either liars or incompetent, both of which are serious personal attacks. And especially coming from someone without much in the way of real facts and just armed with half-truths and some bald-faces lies... well, let's just say that you started it.

On the selection of moderators
It is clear, that contrary to the statements made by others, the selection of moderators IS based on their PERSONAL standings with the other moderators. It is really similar to the andrew jackson "spoils of war" system where moderators put in a good word for their friends, even if they arent the best person for the job.

If you check the past history of chosen moderators, you will see that they play with the moderator "click" and are in the same groups as other moderators. Now, there are a few exceptions to this, I wont deny that, but the general trend is friends of moderators become moderators before anyone else. That is simply how it works.


As the other moderators are only allowed to nominate other mods, not actually pick them (that's my job), you are only demonstrating your lack of knowledge again. All you have simply said is that the moderators nominate people they know. Would you rather them nominate people they don't know? I'm sorry, but that's such a stupid complaint. And it doesn't matter because I'm the one making the final call anyway.

EDIT: As for your terrorist comments, you should really learn what is going on before you post. If I wanted to cause problems I wouldve done it last night, or earlier in the week. I am not going to go into specifics, but I got some things sent to me that I couldve really been an ass with. Ask achronos on that one, I actually PMed him with the information to give him a heads up so he would be able to better deal with the issue. Like I said, i wont post the direct information, if you dont know about it, you can PM him on the issue.

And as I told you, such information is common knowledge (google me). I've been using the Internet since before Mosaic existed; nothing about me is on the Internet that would surprise me. I'm not some fool who thinks he's anonymous on the Internet.

Besides, you know damn well that he was using the word "terrorist" to describe the type of things people were doing to get Toast removed. If a bunch of the reasons given weren't lies and half-truths, then they'd be called activists. Don't assume you know more about the history of things here than I do. The thing with Toast has a far earlier history than you think and didn't even start with him - it started with Shishka.

  • 03.15.2007 3:00 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Actually, he's using humor because he's letting slide the fact that you've pretty much admitted to being on an alt, which is a bannable offense.

So, I suggest you stop mocking people who are giving you the benefit of the doubt here even though it is somewhat obvious that you are being a huge hypocrite by simply having this account.

Posted by: Deaths Divinity
Yes TGP, the good old, no point, so I will attempt humor. If I wasnt involved in conversations, why was I able to so easily list some of the topics found in some of the threads in HFCS?

  • 03.15.2007 3:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
obfuscate


I just learned a new word!

it started with Shishka.

Dang it. frickin. curiosity.....agh!

  • 03.15.2007 3:08 PM PDT
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You know, if I could scrape all of Achronos' text in this thread from my computer screen, I would have myself at least two bars of gold.

Is this gold real?! ...-blam!-, it's heavy!

  • 03.15.2007 3:20 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Doing so would involve a large and complicated backstory going back to before Toast was a moderator (and it didn't even involve him at the time).

In the interests of brevity, let's just say that there were (and continue to be) more than a few people who make it their personal mission to get certain moderators removed - truth be damned. Unfortunately for those trying to report Toast's initial minor offenses (not worthy of dismissal, but worthy of notice), those people had already targeted Toast with many falsefied claims (as they had Shishka before him).

As you might imagine, this made the issue way more complicated than you're making it out to be. Also, nobody but myself and a few others (mostly those inside Bungie... funny that people think we don't pay attention) knew about this problem... so suggesting you know the full story because you have scraps of information filled with half-truths and outright lies is not appropriate.

For the purposes of this discussion, Toast resigned due to a conflict of interest between his group activities and his moderator duties. Nobody here has enough information to talk about it otherwise, and I suggest you stop doing so.

Posted by: Deaths Divinity
Now tom... did I ever say I was without fault? I overreact, like to get into it with others, am too stubborn, but I am willing to admit this to anyone who asks. But the one thing that I am not is a brown noser, so while I am not without fault in general, my nose is pretty dman clean. We both know that I am ANYTHING but a brown noser, for you to even think that would be you forgetting quite a bit of things. If anything, I speak my mind too much for my own good. What was wrong with my description of the removal of toast? Please point it out and tell us all what you guys were doing about the situation before any of those posts sprung up. If I remember correctly, the most accurate term is "nothing."

  • 03.15.2007 3:26 PM PDT
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That's it. That's it. I give up. This guy won't listen. I give up.

  • 03.15.2007 3:37 PM PDT

-S

Posted by: Achronos
The thing with Toast has a far earlier history than you think and didn't even start with him - it started with Shishka.


As does most trouble. *nods sagely*

  • 03.15.2007 3:37 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Ergh...I really really really want to point out the fallacious things that this guy is doing, but what's the point, Achronos will just get to it here in a second, and no one will care what I said :( I guess I'll let Tom answer, he certainly doesn't need me to fight his battles for him.

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  • 03.15.2007 3:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Deaths Divinity
I cannot debate this point with you

Someone help me out here, what exactly is the point of this argument?

  • 03.15.2007 3:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Captain K Mart
Posted by: Deaths Divinity
I cannot debate this point with you

Someone help me out here, what exactly is the point of this argument?


"fofofofofofofofo"

But then i might be completely wrong.

  • 03.15.2007 4:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jeremia luvz BrY
Posted by: Captain K Mart
Posted by: Deaths Divinity
I cannot debate this point with you

Someone help me out here, what exactly is the point of this argument?

IDK, but I know CpT. K FarT ain't part of it.


Holy alt.

  • 03.15.2007 4:23 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
Bungie.net Overlord
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Posted by: Deaths Divinity
I understand this, but the fact remains that by your own admission, toast was guilty of a few things.


Yes, but none of which warranted him being fired until possibly around the time he resigned. There is a difference between "doing nothing" and what actually happened. This isn't high school or politics, so I frankly don't care if you think I should have dragged him in front of everybody and had him publically fired. I also don't care if you think his earlier offenses should have got him fired - you are not the judge of that, and frankly, you've done waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse. At least he admitted to his faults, you just keep switching accounts and pretend to be an upstanding member. I can respect someone who owns up and faces consequences, you do neither.

The subtle undertones of a threat of banning. Very well, you great overlord have the power, do not smite me for my sins. I guess its back to the flood :) LAWL<---my new flood vocabulary...

No, you're getting banned pretty soon, considering who you are. We've let you slide so far despite being a permanently banned account. But for reference, I wasn't threatening you with banning. I don't have to threaten. That was an attempt to return to the original topic of this thread. No, Logical Thinking, you were marked for banning a while ago... I just haven't done it yet because I didn't want anyone to think that I was trying to silence you unfairly.

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Holy -blam!- on a cracker through a hoop of fire on a stick outside of a Lamborghini. I read every single post this thread had to offer, and I for one am a bit ashamed. I mean, since when was the internet all...serious? I mean, this is an internet forum people!

  • 03.15.2007 5:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
No, Logical Thinking, you were marked for banning a while ago... I just haven't done it yet because I didn't want anyone to think that I was trying to silence you unfairly.


See, now it's things like this that scare me. Like I said, spooky.

  • 03.15.2007 5:09 PM PDT

Posted by: SS_Zag1
Posted by: Achronos
No, Logical Thinking, you were marked for banning a while ago... I just haven't done it yet because I didn't want anyone to think that I was trying to silence you unfairly.


See, now it's things like this that scare me. Like I said, spooky.

Yeah, I got that feeling too.

  • 03.15.2007 5:13 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: SS_Zag1
Posted by: Achronos
No, Logical Thinking, you were marked for banning a while ago... I just haven't done it yet because I didn't want anyone to think that I was trying to silence you unfairly.


See, now it's things like this that scare me. Like I said, spooky.


It's like he can peer into your very soul....that or he can see your IP address.... I like the first one better.

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  • 03.15.2007 5:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: bacon greese1521
Holy -blam!- on a cracker through a hoop of fire on a stick outside of a Lamborghini. I read every single post this thread had to offer, and I for one am a bit ashamed. I mean, since when was the internet all...serious? I mean, this is an internet forum people!


Ay, but ... Nope, you're right. Even If people are Jerks and even if moderators are chosen solely on connections (I'm not saying they are) it is still just a website.

Edit: I agree It was like watching the climax of some awesome movie when Achronos called him out like that. And Just like a movie, the second time I watched it I saw all the evidence that that is who he was.

[Edited on 3/15/2007]

  • 03.15.2007 5:14 PM PDT
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You guys (and I mean everyone really, even me but not for the same reasons) seriously need to get a life!

  • 03.15.2007 5:38 PM PDT