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Subject: I can confirm H2V hits May 8th

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  • 03.15.2007 8:26 AM PDT
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• Multiplayer matchmaking with friends ------ Xfire, TS, Vent, etc.
• TrueSkill™ matchmaking ------ There's no need for this.
• Multiplayer achievements ----- Not for $50 a year...
• Cross-platform gameplay ----- H2V won't have it anyway.


By the way, how is TrueSkill matchmaking going to work? Will it only match Gold members?

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  • 03.15.2007 9:17 AM PDT

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Well look PC guys you got alot of of information about Halo 2 PC in the space of a week. All you guys had to do was wait and you did that, remember, best things come to those who wait. :P


Pardon my incompetence, but are you are referring to out Vista raid we had the other day? If so, you are telling us we got alot of information about Halo 2 Vista after the raid, then saying that we shouldn't have raided the News Forum because we got information that we probably wouldn't have gotten if we hadn't.

Please, if you just have to make a fool of yourself, do it somewhere else.


I never made a fool out of myself, i'm just saying that you guys kept on moaning and moaning and in that one week you got a hell of alot of information for all the months they went without updating you on Halo 2 Vista.

  • 03.15.2007 11:21 AM PDT
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Now since M$ is not going to be able to pull this again, there is no gain in making PC gamers wait for Halo3. Why don't they just release Halo3 on both platforms at the same time?
Halo 2 and Halo 3 released for Vista in the same year?

I think not.


see? i told u, they jump on u like wild geese in heat!


That's an interesting similie. True... but interesting lol.

  • 03.15.2007 11:31 AM PDT
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Well, all of this is very great news and its good to hear!

Can't wait until May 8th =D

  • 03.15.2007 6:09 PM PDT
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Not wanting to take the discussion off track here but I can't believe so many people don't want to pay for a gold account when a lot of you have no problems paying for the super expensive PC's some of you use and all their high priced accessories.

Anyway, check ebay...I got a year gold account there for 30 bucks once :D

  • 03.15.2007 6:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iwantcable
• Multiplayer matchmaking with friends ------ Xfire, TS, Vent, etc.
• TrueSkill™ matchmaking ------ There's no need for this.

Having tried HaloPC and Halo 2 Matchmaking, I can definitely see a role for Matchmaking in H2Vista. Perhaps that role isn't important enough to justify $50/year all by itself... but that's more a personal preference for folks to consider than it is a blanket statement. (Besides, Live will support more than just H2V; another factor in the "is it worth it to you" equation.)

By the way, how is TrueSkill matchmaking going to work? Will it only match Gold members?
If it works like the XBox version, it'll be a set of playlists that you can enter in order to be matched with others according to a ranking system; the rank is controlled by your win-loss record, weighted by the difficulty of your prior matches. (If you want a weightier version, read this article.) I believe that Matchmaking is limited to Gold members, but that's just going by the press release.

-- Steve has no insider knowledge of this, just to be clear. Think "Sgt. Schultz from the old Hogan's Heroes TV show" if you want to know how much he really knows...

  • 03.15.2007 7:11 PM PDT

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May 8th is my birthday!!! any idea what i'm going to be getting for it?? probably not Halo 2 Vista. The game seems really cool and I have live and a Vista PC but I can't see myself wasting money on a game I already have for Xbox. We'll see though. I don't have any PC games (except Sims n RC tycoon but they're old and aren't real PC games) so Halo 2 Vista might make a good first but I'll have to see. My birthday is the -blam!-! It's the launch date of Windows Live, VE Day (Victory in Europe), If May 1st is a sunday then My birthday will be Mother's Day and a bunch of other cool -blam!-.

May 8th FTW!!!

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Posted by: Aj6627
Nice! The beta ought to start very soon then.

EDIT: be prepared for the trolls who will say "it's not official, it's not from HG/MS/Bungie", et cetera.

EDIT 2: Here is an official announcement from MS, so that should shut the trolls up. :)

Trolls? Trolls? There's nothing wrong with being a skeptic, especially on the internet.

Posted by: Iggwilv
First, Halo2 was marketed as "Xbox Exclusive" in order to sucker PC Gamers who had purchased Halo PC and fell in love with it to get an X-box so they could continue the storyline.
Second, they broke that exclusivity when they announced they would port Halo2 to Vista.

Now since M$ is not going to be able to pull this again, there is no gain in making PC gamers wait for Halo3. Why don't they just release Halo3 on both platforms at the same time?

It's not the first time MicroSoft has pulled that trick...

Here's a good explanation, as a part of the HBO FAQ.

If you really think about it, 'Xbox Exclusive' just means that it won't be coming out for the Gamecube, PS2, or Dreamcast, not 'never coming to PC.'

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I know nutink! Nutink!

  • 03.16.2007 12:19 AM PDT

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here are some criticisms of live:
Online PC games, particularly FPSs are traditionally run and funded independently by Clans, gaming groups or independent players. Game Servers are typically rented by the Clan or group, and provided for players to use free of charge. Often the only infrastructure operated or paid for by the game developer is a master server which collects and serves a list of available independent servers.

Games for Windows Live threatens this infrastructure by taking control away from the games players, and charging for what was previously free for PC gamers.
Microsoft can end online support for games whenever it wishes, leaving a game unplayable online. In a traditional system of independent server hosts, a game is supported as long as people choose to play it.
Players have no control over the server infrastructure, preventing the use of server side modifications to change gameplay or other aspects of the game, which have to be hosted on the game server; as well as preventing Total Conversions from being played online.
Independent gaming leagues such as Clanbase rely heavily on clans hosting their own servers, and their ability to lock the server to public players while playing matches to restrict who can join. It is not possible to play competitive matches on a public server.

  • 03.16.2007 6:35 AM PDT

Posted by: Mat Parker 116
Games for Windows Live threatens this infrastructure by taking control away from the games players, and charging for what was previously free for PC gamers.

This was quite obviously the goal all along. It keeps some MS exec awake at night thinking of all the fun that PC gamers are getting for free. It's just not right, they think.

  • 03.16.2007 6:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mat Parker 116
here are some criticisms of live:
Online PC games, particularly FPSs are traditionally run and funded independently by Clans, gaming groups or independent players. Game Servers are typically rented by the Clan or group, and provided for players to use free of charge. Often the only infrastructure operated or paid for by the game developer is a master server which collects and serves a list of available independent servers.

Games for Windows Live threatens this infrastructure by taking control away from the games players, and charging for what was previously free for PC gamers.
Microsoft can end online support for games whenever it wishes, leaving a game unplayable online. In a traditional system of independent server hosts, a game is supported as long as people choose to play it.
Players have no control over the server infrastructure, preventing the use of server side modifications to change gameplay or other aspects of the game, which have to be hosted on the game server; as well as preventing Total Conversions from being played online.
Independent gaming leagues such as Clanbase rely heavily on clans hosting their own servers, and their ability to lock the server to public players while playing matches to restrict who can join. It is not possible to play competitive matches on a public server.


There is no evidence that Games for Windows will only support online multiplayer over a Live Anywhere network, to me it sounds like Live Anywhere is simply a service that you can choose to use, similar to GameSpy. I know a few games that have GameSpy listed in their multiplayer menu as an option as apposed to viewing the traditional server list.

It would be foolish of developers to join the Games for Windows club if it meant they could only support multiplayer through Live Anywhere. I will be an option, not the rule.

There is also no evidence that general players will not be able to create Live Anywhere enabled private servers, all it says is that Live Anywhere will include dedicated servers for every game, it can't support enough servers on it's own to handle eveyone who will play, it would be stupid of them to make it like that, Microsoft is going towards the whole community side of gaming of late, their not going to make Sony's mistakes.

[Edited on 3/16/2007]

  • 03.16.2007 7:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mat Parker 116
Games for Windows Live threatens this infrastructure by taking control away from the games players, and charging for what was previously free for PC gamers.

This was quite obviously the goal all along. It keeps some MS exec awake at night thinking of all the fun that PC gamers are getting for free. It's just not right, they think.
Indeed. To many, such as RhythmKiller and myself, it won't matter because we already subscribe to Xbox Live. Yet I'm still irked with the fact that I would have to pay for Live Anywhere if I didn't.

  • 03.16.2007 10:20 AM PDT
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wtf... your wrong, Silver membership is Free, and you have to pay for the Gold Membership.

Anyway this is awesome just 2 more months! wooohoo! now i can start to bug my parents on getting a new desktop!

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  • 03.16.2007 6:26 PM PDT

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we r?

damn may 8th is a month before my graduation

car and insurance + college, or working longer and having halo 2 vista, whereas if I wait Ijust need vista and 1GB RAM...

college and a car

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Posted by: fastmatt
damn may 8th is a month before my graduation

car and insurance + college, or working longer and having halo 2 vista, whereas if I wait Ijust need vista and 1GB RAM...

college and a car


I have to laugh, cause I'm in the same situation as you. Except my last day of school is May 4th, and my graduation is at the end of may. I'm just gonna buy a laptop, as they are required by the college, and put a decent graphics card and 2 gigs of ram in it.

Cheers.

[Edited on 3/17/2007]

  • 03.17.2007 6:34 AM PDT

What it is.

Correct me if i am wrong, but isn't Company of Heroes a Games for Windows title, and that doesn't use Live Anywhere, so i think what others have mentioned is correct; that Live Anywhere will be an optional method of playing online, or something.

  • 03.17.2007 8:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: kyur4thich11
Correct me if i am wrong, but isn't Company of Heroes a Games for Windows title, and that doesn't use Live Anywhere, so i think what others have mentioned is correct; that Live Anywhere will be an optional method of playing online, or something.


A game does not require to support Live Anywhere to have the GFW brand, but that'll probably change after the lauch of Live Anywhere.

  • 03.18.2007 1:46 AM PDT
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"I'm surprised you guys aren't complaining about the gold membership fee."

I'm suprized you guys aren't complaining about the fact there is a membership fee all together; the world's biggest company, charging you to play the game you already bought, online.

Typical Microsoft morals.

[Silver Membership Features]

Private chat via text and voice | Errr, its called ICQ
Common friends list and online presence | Again, ICQ
PC only multiplayer including browsing a list of active PC games - Well, Halo 2 Vista is PC only, so why else would you show other?


Microsoft should of got a grip on reality before they entered the computer game business.

  • 03.18.2007 7:25 AM PDT
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Mat Parker 116:

Everything you said is on the lines of what I see, and I agree with what you say.

You are the only person on this forum I have seen that knows whats going on.

[Edited on 3/18/2007]

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Uhh...there is no cross-platform play. Bungie are ready stated it so yeah, make sure you get your facts right.

Uhh.... bungie don't make every game so yeah, make sure you get your facts right.

but bungie sure as hell made this one so yeah, theres no way in hell anyone on a -blam!- xbox would actually want to get taken advantage of by a guy on a pc.

  • 03.18.2007 12:45 PM PDT
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i think it will be sold out.

  • 03.18.2007 8:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: rekzx2
i don't think it will be sold out.


Fixed

  • 03.18.2007 8:39 PM PDT

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What? Play a game? FOR FUN???
This concept of fun confuses and infuriates me!

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HG is most likely in the final stages of debugging and playtesting. It seems logical that most game developers would only confirm a release date when they were pretty much done with the game.

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  • 03.18.2007 11:37 PM PDT
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Mat Parker 116, you are such a retard. Your source of information is a secondary source. They have no official affiliation with Bungie, so why would you go by what a random website has to say?

  • 03.19.2007 2:27 AM PDT

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