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Posted by: Oneantlereddeer
Giant bad guy in the distance? hmmmmm....


Any ideas?


Maybe???

Could it be South Park's version of God??

  • 03.23.2007 10:00 PM PDT

bungie has proven that a bunch of monkeys sitting in front of keyboards can randomly type out a masterpiece. the thing is, when you go to play the masterpiece, you cant help but notice all the monkey s**t smeared all over it.

it gets real old having to wait months for someone like mlg to clean off all the monkey poo.

why must you torment me? release halo 3? please? ill give you a cookie, my spare change, the salt shaker i stole from the cafeteria, name your price. how about a daily update? hire me to write your updates, ill do it for free and save you hours of tremendous back breaking labor. this game hasnt come out yet and you guys got me thinking about how great it will be.

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*jumps the gun*

WOOT DRINOL IN HALO 3

or the Stalker, or Juggernaut. I'm guessing Drinol.


and please, the old Faviroute, with only 1 person there has gotta be either an Elite helping you, Sargeant Johnson, or a new tank or something



Sounds like an EPIC WIN


[Edited on 03.23.2007 10:03 PM PDT]

  • 03.23.2007 10:02 PM PDT

Master Chief x Samus

I'm still waiting for some news on the elite player model, Frankie ol' boy!

  • 03.23.2007 10:25 PM PDT

An interesting update, Frankie. Thanks!

  • 03.23.2007 10:25 PM PDT

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I can't wait to drink that H3 WATER!!! Sounds like Campaign is actual WAR now!!! AWESOMES!

Very good update BTW... Emphasis on the very.

[Edited on 03.23.2007 10:35 PM PDT]

  • 03.23.2007 10:34 PM PDT
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Is there still no word on the "Banshee is going to drop off four Grunts and a Brute Chieftain" comment? It seems extremely unlikely and improbable that a single Banshee could carry such a load when one could doubtfully carry a single Brute Chieftain. I believe, as stated previously, that this is a mistake and that the text should read "Phantom is going to drop off four Grunts and a Brute Chieftain" - This would also fit in line with the proceeding comment, where Frankie says "itself." By referring to it as "itself," he is making reference to it as if there had been prior mention of it.

  • 03.23.2007 11:28 PM PDT
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Well it does seem a great deal of things are piecing together nicely from Frankie’s explanation of what happened this last week. Poor foolish people wanting to beta test. The finished version is what I want. It’s bad enough I build most things from scratch as it is. Excluding piezoelectric crystals though, yes hand crafted mirrors unless it’s a conformal mirror then theirs a great deal of computer numeric control.

  • 03.23.2007 11:53 PM PDT
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Wow what a great update. This is one of the best updates you have posted frankie.

As a Halo fan from the Halo CE launch, ive got to say that Halo 3 really sounds like its shaping up to be the best game in the series. Thanks for all your hard work Bungie I cant wait to get my hands on H3 this fall!

  • 03.24.2007 12:19 AM PDT
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13/02/2005 (I've been on since then.)
Group RPG's!

DO NOT DO IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT DOING IT!

Nice, but Thou hast forget Thee Elites?

  • 03.24.2007 1:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: eraseme
why must you torment me? release halo 3? please? ill give you a cookie, my spare change, the salt shaker i stole from the cafeteria, name your price. how about a daily update? hire me to write your updates, ill do it for free and save you hours of tremendous back breaking labor. this game hasnt come out yet and you guys got me thinking about how great it will be.

i dont get you... explain more clearly please...

  • 03.24.2007 1:08 AM PDT
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You know what's sad - Spending a whole update talking about the color of the sky due to the dust particles: "Across the huge artifact that the Chief discovers in that trailer, you see the air start to haze over, as tiny distant particles change the color, quality and transparency of the air." - Guess what - no one cares about stupid dust particles. The only things people were looking for in the trailer were new weapons/enemies/guns - and the slight chance that you guys might make a semi-smart choice of showing an H1 pistol strapped somewhere to MC's waist. But that would be asking too much - you're too busy thinking it's fun picking up duel wields 80 games in a row in matchmaking - while competitive players are praying for one BR game in there somewhere.

And Seagulls??!!! Are you kidding me?? "So far I’ve seen seagulls and what appears to be some kind of cockatoo. Both kinds flock, wheel and fly in very large numbers. Who knows what those numbers will grow or dwindle to in the final cut, but right now the demo was about 50 seagulls wheeling and cawing above a cliff top, and looking remarkably like Discovery channel footage of an otherwise boring scene." Let me premise what I'm about to say by stating that Halo 2 was beautiful graphically, but I didn't play campaign or play multiplayer so i could stop and enjoy a seagull on a ledge 40 feet up. Any idiot doing that deserves to be sniped by the covenant. The problem with you guys is you think it's all about how cool a game looks. I'll take crap graphics and amazing game play over brilliant graphics and game play catered to the masses so that you can sell your quota of games for Microsoft. Yeah - yeah - i know - it's business too - if thats the case - why not put the H1 pistol in the game so we could at least use it in custom games? I have yet to hear one good or sane reason why you haven't done that. It's not like it would be hard - all you have to do is not screw with it like you did the magnum. That was piss poor too - but then you had to "bungie" it up and make it worse - good choice!

The fact is - you guys make an amazingly stunning game graphically - but you lose it when it comes to creating a game for competitive play. You made a game to appeal to everyone - where any noob could pick up 2 weapons and bum rush with his 3 noob friends and kill the best player in the world. Why? Because you lost grip on what made H1 great - the pistol, the importance of holding certain places on a map - or owning certain weapons, and most of all - the importance of not bum-rushing everyone and their mother because your health didn't come back every time you ran like a coward around a corner.

We all know what your goal was - to sell millions of games any way possible. Well - congrats - you've done it. Now how about fixing what you "bungied" up in H2 and making H3 something that was as good as H1 in multiplayer game play. You realize that even the pro's for MLG get together in their hotel rooms at tournaments and play H1 right???? They do that because despite the lesser graphics and absence of clear trickling spring water - the game play was amazing. You could always get better, always improve strategy. It was the things you didn't expect from the game that made it great - the backpack reloading and double smack - now you purposefully make sure that there's no chance for anyone to do something that you don't want them to at all costs. Heaven forbid that you admit that your initial mistakes were what made the game great in the first place. It would be nice to have a pistol in hand where i could three shot someone again no matter what duel wield they were holding. You've succeeded in selling out - and those of us that loved what you did with H1 have stuck with you so far. Again - you've done some amazing things with H2, and there are some things that would be great from H2 if they were blended with what made H1 great -but I highly doubt you'll take that into account - you'll probably be too busy getting your face shield crapped on by a passing flock of seagulls.

  • 03.24.2007 1:23 AM PDT
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I love my life.

  • 03.24.2007 1:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: xI JANITOR Ix
You know what's sad - Spending a whole update talking about the color of the sky due to the dust particles: "Across the huge artifact that the Chief discovers in that trailer, you see the air start to haze over, as tiny distant particles change the color, quality and transparency of the air." - Guess what - no one cares about stupid dust particles. The only things people were looking for in the trailer were new weapons/enemies/guns - and the slight chance that you guys might make a semi-smart choice of showing an H1 pistol strapped somewhere to MC's waist. But that would be asking too much - you're too busy thinking it's fun picking up duel wields 80 games in a row in matchmaking - while competitive players are praying for one BR game in there somewhere.

And Seagulls??!!! Are you kidding me?? "So far I’ve seen seagulls and what appears to be some kind of cockatoo. Both kinds flock, wheel and fly in very large numbers. Who knows what those numbers will grow or dwindle to in the final cut, but right now the demo was about 50 seagulls wheeling and cawing above a cliff top, and looking remarkably like Discovery channel footage of an otherwise boring scene." Let me premise what I'm about to say by stating that Halo 2 was beautiful graphically, but I didn't play campaign or play multiplayer so i could stop and enjoy a seagull on a ledge 40 feet up. Any idiot doing that deserves to be sniped by the covenant. The problem with you guys is you think it's all about how cool a game looks. I'll take crap graphics and amazing game play over brilliant graphics and game play catered to the masses so that you can sell your quota of games for Microsoft. Yeah - yeah - i know - it's business too - if thats the case - why not put the H1 pistol in the game so we could at least use it in custom games? I have yet to hear one good or sane reason why you haven't done that. It's not like it would be hard - all you have to do is not screw with it like you did the magnum. That was piss poor too - but then you had to "bungie" it up and make it worse - good choice!

The fact is - you guys make an amazingly stunning game graphically - but you lose it when it comes to creating a game for competitive play. You made a game to appeal to everyone - where any noob could pick up 2 weapons and bum rush with his 3 noob friends and kill the best player in the world. Why? Because you lost grip on what made H1 great - the pistol, the importance of holding certain places on a map - or owning certain weapons, and most of all - the importance of not bum-rushing everyone and their mother because your health didn't come back every time you ran like a coward around a corner.

We all know what your goal was - to sell millions of games any way possible. Well - congrats - you've done it. Now how about fixing what you "bungied" up in H2 and making H3 something that was as good as H1 in multiplayer game play. You realize that even the pro's for MLG get together in their hotel rooms at tournaments and play H1 right???? They do that because despite the lesser graphics and absence of clear trickling spring water - the game play was amazing. You could always get better, always improve strategy. It was the things you didn't expect from the game that made it great - the backpack reloading and double smack - now you purposefully make sure that there's no chance for anyone to do something that you don't want them to at all costs. Heaven forbid that you admit that your initial mistakes were what made the game great in the first place. It would be nice to have a pistol in hand where i could three shot someone again no matter what duel wield they were holding. You've succeeded in selling out - and those of us that loved what you did with H1 have stuck with you so far. Again - you've done some amazing things with H2, and there are some things that would be great from H2 if they were blended with what made H1 great -but I highly doubt you'll take that into account - you'll probably be too busy getting your face shield crapped on by a passing flock of seagulls.


The Bungie weekly update was made so that the fans knew that Bungie's still alive, well and working. It's not here to give us all the information we want, although Bungie do like spoil us here and there.

Please don't even attempt to speak for the entire Halo fanbase, you'd be suprised just how varied people's opinions are. My opinion? You're an arse who, sad to say, should probably get a life.

Jeez, Bungie should really set up some anger management therapy for the fans.

  • 03.24.2007 1:36 AM PDT
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I love how you assume that me posting my opinion (which last time i checked is the point of this whole area of the site) means that I don't have "a life" - and I don't recall having said that I speak on behalf of all Halo fans. Get your facts straight - I'm simply offering a counter view. Oh - and there really is no need for you to quote my whole post - it's the one right above yours - pretty sure people will know who you're referring to. You're probably just made because you were one of the "bad kids" who got owned constantly in H1 because you couldn't shoot a pistol.

[Edited on 03.24.2007 8:58 AM PDT]

  • 03.24.2007 1:44 AM PDT

Blarggg!

Elites shall own this planet!

Crazy^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  • 03.24.2007 2:11 AM PDT

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"It means we don’t have to “cheat” as much with fancy skyboxes and obfuscation."



No more fancy skyboxes??? Then what do you use, I highly dought the air goes on forever. ...maybe it's a realy big skybox.. or better yet a skydome.
P.S. I do know what a skybox is. O and another thing, who ever is editing the saying on the home page has been watching mythbuters to long.

[Edited on 03.24.2007 2:42 AM PDT]

  • 03.24.2007 2:24 AM PDT

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"But speaking of Damian, he and a couple of other folks have been slaving away on a cool Easter Egg."

Eh, doesn't Damian do AI programing of some sort..... it mighty be somethin having to do with a grunt dancing, talking, or saying (or doing) something funny just like they did in Halo and Halo 2.

Edit:sorry for the repeat. I'm just excited.

[Edited on 03.24.2007 2:56 AM PDT]

  • 03.24.2007 2:55 AM PDT
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nother boring update about nothing

  • 03.24.2007 3:06 AM PDT
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im not even gonna check the weekly updates anymore. its just one useless update after the other.

  • 03.24.2007 3:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: Frankie
This part is going to sound like hyperbolae, so I’ll reinforce the fact that this is merely my opinion
As much as it did sound like a plane curve having two branches, formed by the intersection of a plane with both halves of a right circular cone at an angle parallel to the axis of the cone, I can't help but think you might have meant hyperbole. ;)

Posted by: Pelopidas I
No more fancy skyboxes??? Then what do you use, I highly dought the air goes on forever. ...maybe it's a realy big skybox.. or better yet a skydome.
P.S. I do know what a skybox is.
I think the comment meant they will be using less tricks with their skyboxes. For example, instead of using scrolling bitmaps for clouds they will be using some more sophisticated particle effects, that kind of thing perhaps.

Posted by: TerraAngel
Please don't even attempt to speak for the entire Halo fanbase, you'd be suprised just how varied people's opinions are. My opinion? You're an arse who, sad to say, should probably get a life.
As he has said himself, at no point did he claim he was speaking for the entire fan base, any comment expressing an opinion should be taken as that of the author, not of the entire community he happens to be part of. Calling him an “arse” and telling him to “probably get a life” doesn't help the matter either, if you disagree with him by all means express your opinion in return.

Posted by: xI JANITOR Ix
I love how you assume that me posting my opinion (which last time i checked is the point of this whole area of the site) means that I don't have "a life" - and I don't recall having said that I speak on behalf of all Halo fans. Get your facts straight noob - I'm simply offering a counter view. Oh - and there really is no need for you to quote my whole post noob - it's the one right above yours - pretty sure people will know who you're referring to. You're probably just made because you were one of the "bad kids" who got owned constantly in H1 because you couldn't shoot a pistol
Unfortunately you're being no better than him, with this name calling and again making derogatory assumptions about him exterior to the point of discussion, just as you informed him not to.

As for your actual arguments, Janitor, I think you're relying on a false assumption. You assume that Bungie actively decided to make halo 2 different to halo 1 in order to appeal to the mass market and achieve better sales, it was more likely an organic process. Halo 2 did end up having great mass market appeal, by most accounts that is a successful product. Just because the gameplay style changed and appealed less to a small sector of their market does not mean they have sold out, it just means the gameplay has evolved and the small sector hasn't. If you're trying to play Halo 1 on Halo 2, you aren't going to have much luck, some fundamental parts of the gameplay mechanics have changed and you need to adapt to accept that, or continue to play Halo 1.

It's clear that the majority of the testers enjoyed this new style of gameplay brought about in Halo 2, as they had lots of testing sessions, and used feedback from these to work on the game. By using tester feedback, they are going to be working to improve the game such that it appeals more to the majority of these testers. What your actual gripe is, is that the masses like something in the Halo 2 gameplay that you don't like, and subsequently your needs weren't met with the game, as you're part of a minority. Bungie could make more of an effort to appeal to this dichotomy of opinion, as you said by giving more options in custom games and such. There has been a sizeable amount of their core fans that are part of this overall minority, so perhaps in this next game they will try to cater more to both worlds.

As for your comments about graphics vs. gameplay, graphics form an important part of immersion in the game world, and to keep up with (and surpass) the competition, as well as making the most out of the new hardware, they do need to push this angle as well as improving gameplay. The reason that most of the things we hear about in updates are graphical or feature based is, I assume, that these sorts of things are tangible and accumulate over time. Something like gameplay will be worked on constantly by a dedicated part of the workforce, and not only will it be constantly changing (without clear accumulation) but it is by nature, difficult to articulate. Telling them to work more on gameplay and less on graphics isn’t really possible with their current work flow, as these are parallel processes done by separate teams.

Edit:
It seems I got rather caught up in off topic matters. :p

I enjoyed this update as I have the last many. Hearing about the scale of battles and areas was intriguing, it really sounds like it's going to be epic. Talk about graphical improvements was also interesting, hats off whoever had the seagull idea, odd minds make games. :) I'm still surprised that so many people complain about these updates. If you aren't particularly interested in what is mentioned, you don't need to register your disapproval, many of us I'm sure enjoy hearing about these sort of things. They're not being forced to do these updates, I for one am glad they choose to.

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  • 03.24.2007 3:39 AM PDT
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OK, I'm just as mcuh of a water 'nerd' as Frankie. So please dude,

stop giving us such awesum info. I have to keep changing my underwear every time i read one of these updates. infact, every saturday morning I get a fresh pair and bring em with me to the pc so i can change on the spot, then carry on with the update.

  • 03.24.2007 3:59 AM PDT
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Love the update this week! I am one of those map-exploring players and i love such details as seagulls etc. I wonder, how many players are able to play campaign cooperative over live... maybe 5?

  • 03.24.2007 4:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: PaulRTC
I'm still surprised that so many people complain about these updates. If you aren't particularly interested in what is mentioned, you don't need to register your disapproval, many of us I'm sure enjoy hearing about these sort of things. They're not being forced to do these updates, I for one am glad they choose to.

Ditto.

I liked the update this week, hell, i like the updates most weeks but this one was particularly nice.

But people always seem to find something to complain about on teh 'net. Maybe it will finally stop when Halo 3 is released. Oh no, wait: people will complain the levels are far too big and the game takes too long to complete. *sigh*

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  • 03.24.2007 4:26 AM PDT