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And shepherds we shall be.
For thee my Lord for thee.
Power hath descended forth from Thy hand,
That our feet may quickly carry out Thy command.
We shall flow a river forth to Thee,
And teeming with souls shall it ever be.
In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.

All this may be very well and good... but it's -spring- now.... Spring means 2 things. New Maps. And Public Beta. Stop dragging us along! I need DATES!

  • 03.24.2007 5:13 AM PDT

"Our Arrows will Blot out the sun." "Then we will fight in the shade"
This is my favorite line from 300 THAT MOVIE RULEZ ALL

Posted by: xI JANITOR Ix
You know what's sad - Spending a whole update talking about the color of the sky due to the dust particles: "Across the huge artifact that the Chief discovers in that trailer, you see the air start to haze over, as tiny distant particles change the color, quality and transparency of the air." - Guess what - no one cares about stupid dust particles. The only things people were looking for in the trailer were new weapons/enemies/guns - and the slight chance that you guys might make a semi-smart choice of showing an H1 pistol strapped somewhere to MC's waist. But that would be asking too much - you're too busy thinking it's fun picking up duel wields 80 games in a row in matchmaking - while competitive players are praying for one BR game in there somewhere.

And Seagulls??!!! Are you kidding me?? "So far I’ve seen seagulls and what appears to be some kind of cockatoo. Both kinds flock, wheel and fly in very large numbers. Who knows what those numbers will grow or dwindle to in the final cut, but right now the demo was about 50 seagulls wheeling and cawing above a cliff top, and looking remarkably like Discovery channel footage of an otherwise boring scene." Let me premise what I'm about to say by stating that Halo 2 was beautiful graphically, but I didn't play campaign or play multiplayer so i could stop and enjoy a seagull on a ledge 40 feet up. Any idiot doing that deserves to be sniped by the covenant. The problem with you guys is you think it's all about how cool a game looks. I'll take crap graphics and amazing game play over brilliant graphics and game play catered to the masses so that you can sell your quota of games for Microsoft. Yeah - yeah - i know - it's business too - if thats the case - why not put the H1 pistol in the game so we could at least use it in custom games? I have yet to hear one good or sane reason why you haven't done that. It's not like it would be hard - all you have to do is not screw with it like you did the magnum. That was piss poor too - but then you had to "bungie" it up and make it worse - good choice!

The fact is - you guys make an amazingly stunning game graphically - but you lose it when it comes to creating a game for competitive play. You made a game to appeal to everyone - where any noob could pick up 2 weapons and bum rush with his 3 noob friends and kill the best player in the world. Why? Because you lost grip on what made H1 great - the pistol, the importance of holding certain places on a map - or owning certain weapons, and most of all - the importance of not bum-rushing everyone and their mother because your health didn't come back every time you ran like a coward around a corner.

We all know what your goal was - to sell millions of games any way possible. Well - congrats - you've done it. Now how about fixing what you "bungied" up in H2 and making H3 something that was as good as H1 in multiplayer game play. You realize that even the pro's for MLG get together in their hotel rooms at tournaments and play H1 right???? They do that because despite the lesser graphics and absence of clear trickling spring water - the game play was amazing. You could always get better, always improve strategy. It was the things you didn't expect from the game that made it great - the backpack reloading and double smack - now you purposefully make sure that there's no chance for anyone to do something that you don't want them to at all costs. Heaven forbid that you admit that your initial mistakes were what made the game great in the first place. It would be nice to have a pistol in hand where i could three shot someone again no matter what duel wield they were holding. You've succeeded in selling out - and those of us that loved what you did with H1 have stuck with you so far. Again - you've done some amazing things with H2, and there are some things that would be great from H2 if they were blended with what made H1 great -but I highly doubt you'll take that into account - you'll probably be too busy getting your face shield crapped on by a passing flock of seagulls.


I just had to comment on this first off i find it funny that you assume that since people like me who love Halo 2 Multiplayer must have been terrible at Halo CE I personally was very VERY good At Halo CE i played in tournaments and won almost all of them and no they werent at my local internet cafe where only noobs tend to go Also i am very good at Halo 2 I am almost a Legit 40 i would be right now if it werent for modders modding me when im one game from a 40 but nonetheless also id like to say that on the note of the "double smack" that they made sure people werent allowed to do umm yea its called a BxB in fact if your good and can time it you can continue to do it over and over without accidently cancelling your smacks Now my whole speculation for all this is that your not very good at Halo 2 meaning you cant BR to save your life when there are two or three people dual wielding coming after you and you just were plain out bad at the game Now this may just be me and my friends but...now dont take this the wrong way i personally feel that if your bad at Halo 2 you must Have also been bad at Halo CE i mean me and my friends have all agreed that we are better than alot of people at Halo 2 because of the fact that we played Halo CE and were good at it Now my final comment on all of this (at least i hope it will be) is that when you said "noone cares about dust particles" i believe you should not talk for anyone but yourself unless you know for a FACT what other peoples opinions are i personally am very interested in these"dust particles" and every other aspect of the graphics and work that go into making the game O yea two more things one being that if you dont like halo 2 and you dont think that they are going to"fix" Halo 3(i personally dont believe theres anything to fix sure you can add new stuff but i like the gameplay how it is)to your liking then...now tell me if im out of line by saying this.....why the hell do you post here if you dont think that they are going to make a Halo that suits you and you dont think that your really even going to play halo 3 then serriously dude stop wasting space in the forums i read every post before i say anything and when i have to read posts from little BK's like you it irritates me your posts are a waste or time why dont you go with the Halo 2 Vista kids by saying IM TOO LAZY TO CLICK A LINK TO SEE AN UPDATE CANT YOU JUST PUT IT ON YOUR FRONT PAGE BUNGIE. wow i think i just got a little crazed there sorry about that any ways before i get into trouble(well any more than i am probably already going to be in) I would just like to say BUNGIE YOU ARE THE GODS OF GAMES KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK o and if you could like reply to this in the froums thatd be sweet ive always wanted to be replied to whether it would be good or bad itd be hella sweet btw sorry for the long ass run on sentence i just am to lazy to put periods and such i mean it almost killed me to put qoutations

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  • 03.24.2007 5:19 AM PDT
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Hopefully the easter egg involves a Halo-ized version of Duck Hunt.

-Nice pretty particalized sky
-A jungle tree or three
-Gulls and grouse that jump out of the vines and fly back and forth
-And best of all: a grunt that laughs at you when you miss

I would drive from Ohio to your studios just to give the person responsible for something like that a big kiss. Well, maybe a handshake and a slap on the back...

  • 03.24.2007 5:21 AM PDT
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He did say at the very end that they'd have some really cool content for us next week... could it be? Finally? The Beta? Or the new maps for H2? Or nothing at all... hhhmmm...

  • 03.24.2007 5:30 AM PDT

A witty signature you say ! ? well at the moment i have nothing witty that springs to mind, so sory..................nope still nothing.......

sounding very cool, that's all I can think of to say really,lol. I think it's really awsome that the phantoms are now destructable, I bet your artists have made some crazly spectacular explosion with scattering debre and partical effects and stuff, as the pahntom smashes into a cliff face or something well I hope anyway,lol. Can't wait to see how those air battles turn out , should really make the environment emersive and feel like a full on war. and of course shooting birds out of the sky to !. draw distance and the haze and sky effects sound fantastic to, with all the details of distant objects bieng real jeometry.

All in all halo 3 sounds sweeter and sweeter with each update, Cheers Frankie.

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"I figure the list below will pretty much give you the idea. Remember that, if you had a sniper rifle or rocket launcher, you could have destroyed any or all of the following in that one, single location. And I am deliberately leaving out a couple of items here, because they haven’t been revealed yet.

Encounter Recipe:

* Scary Post Apocalyptic Environment: 1
* Phantoms: 3
* Grunts: 14
* Marines: 6
* Brutes: 8
* Jackals: 3
* Wraiths: 3
* Ghosts: 6
* Mongoose: 1
* Warthogs: 1
* New version of old favorite: 1
* Chief: 1
* Giant Bad Guy in distance: 1
* Frightening and Inexplicable Maelstrom: 1
* Ancient Forerunner Artifact: 1"

i highly doubt that the old favorite is the pistol because in part before the list, it says that any or all of the following can be DESTROYED. you cant destroy a pistol i dont think...but i cant think of anything. However this brings up the question, "Then what about the "Chief" "Frightening and inexplicable Maelstrom" "ancient forerunner artifact" and the "scary post apocalyptic environment." My guesses are 1) the "Chief" could be for co-op, or if you are playing as a different character alongside the chief (arbiter probably), 2 and 3) the maelstrom and artifact...i have no idea, guess they were just in there to give us a picture in our head.. 4) SPAE probably means that there is more destructible environmental materials which wouldn't surprise me.

of course, i could be wrong and all of those could just be to give us an idea of wait it looked like but if so, Frankie used weird wording in the paragraph before the list.

also, to all of you who say these updates are crap because they dont give us a date or info on the beta/maps, guess what...these updates arent supposed to give that info and if they want to they will but they arent yet. First of all, bungie isnt even making the new halo 2 maps and anyone who read these update discussions for the last one should know that bungie will not put stuff up about material they are not making unless they want to. So if anyone starts to complain about there being no info about the maps, remember that it isnt bungie who is making them and therefore have no reason to talk about them. Second, they already did give a release period for the beta, but it seemed to just have gone right over everyone's head. not too long ago Frankie said it looks like LATE SPRING for the beta. happy? now expect it than and, if it comes earlier, it will be a nice surprise to say the least.

  • 03.24.2007 6:54 AM PDT
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Another boring update. Can't you give us anything better than garbage about particles in the sky? I bet theres TONS of people who care about that.


What could be better than "particles in the sky"? When I read that, the escape hatch on the back of my skull opened up, my brain popped out and went to hide under the couch. It couldn't handle the thought of all the computations going on. That is TOO COOL!!!! Guess you have to be a real geek to appreciate it.

And "geek" goes not mean biting the heads off of chickens or playing video games in your parents' basement.

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" I happen to know that a Banshee is going to drop off four Grunts and a Brute Chieftain. "
Wait, a Banshee dropped off four Grunts and a Brute Chieftain?!?!??!??!?!?!?!?!
I think Frankie was trying to say Phantom.
Just a wild guess, unless there is more then one form of a Banshee...

  • 03.24.2007 7:16 AM PDT
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3-19-07

Posted by: Neloms
**A Flock of Seagulls confirmed for Halo 3!!!**

I wonder what people who complained about Breaking Benjamin's "Blow me Away" in Halo 2 are gonna say about this...


Breaking Benjamin FTL

A Flock of Seagulls FTW!

  • 03.24.2007 7:17 AM PDT

Well, I went to Florida last weekend and saw a lot of sea urchins on the beaches. I was wondering if you guys were thinking about putting any sea urchins, shells, or any other animals or plants that are commonly found on beaches because that would make a lot more life like because usually you don't just see a plain beach with just sand or sand dunes that you could use as a cover. The sand that moves with the wind would be pretty cool but the sand close to the water needs to be darker than the sand further away because of the water making it wet.

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First off, I'm an avid reader of Frankie's weekly updates and I'm excited whenever I read about any bit of information. So thank you for keeping me (and everyone else) updated.

Halo 3 encounters are more fun, more challenging, more varied and more enjoyable than those in Halo or Halo 2. The interplay and strategies created among the various Covenant foes is just thrilling. One weird thing that I just can’t get used to (in a good way, I mean) is the fact that you have to plan for multiple encounters in one location. You can see a group in the distance, and head down to fight them. You could toss a grenade to get the party started – but here’s a hint. Between you and them and the tumble of rocks and scree between you, I happen to know that a Banshee is going to drop off four Grunts and a Brute Chieftain. The Phantom itself is going to start laying down fire on you, so my suggestion is to bide your time, wait for the first Phantom, and take care of that before irritating those guys way down the hill.
Drifted a little off the unit names! Mentioned the Banshee as a transport vessel. Just wanted to point it out.

  • 03.24.2007 7:49 AM PDT
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Banshees dropping off Brutes and Grunts? Did I miss something?

  • 03.24.2007 8:30 AM PDT
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Great update, as always....keep up the good work

Thanks, d

  • 03.24.2007 8:35 AM PDT
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Well Enough Alone...

~"The people who play Bungie games tend to sense that there's something behind the games that's attractive to them. Then they become fans of the games. And then they become rabid fans. And then they become employees of Bungie."(Life story) -Marty

OMG were do I begin?!!! The easter egg must be in mp since after talking about it they said "lets get back to campain". Why would most of us never see it? I hope I do. Did you see that ausome water in the pick?!! How many npcs can they fit in 1 map? How big are the maps? Where have we seen waterfalls before (delta halo)? Were have we seen areal combet (heritics?) Cove banshiev vs human things = heritics? Who knows?! Sweet!!!

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Between you and PaulRTC it would appear that we have a resident psychologist who never leaves home without his "word of the day" dictionary and an over used thesaurus, and with you we have another person claiming they were amazing at Halo 1 and were a legit 40. I'd put money on 3 kids with duel wields running right at your grill against you with just a BR any day. You'd lose every time. I'm well aware of BxB buddy, everyone that plays is - and it's not the same as H1's double smack. My reference to the H1 double smack was an effort to point out how important some of the "glitches" were in H1.

"i mean me and my friends have all agreed that we are better than a lot of people at Halo 2 because of the fact that we played Halo CE and were good at it"

Wow - feeling a little prideful are we? I don't recall ever claiming to be a pro, but you seem to think you are one. I find it funny that someone can't be a fan of the game, and read the weekly updates just as much as anyone else, and post something constructive about what was said. Everyone is all in a panic because I said something negative about the update. Give me a break - the point of this thread is to comment on the update, and that's just what I’ve done. I think the update was weak - I would have rather seen a page full of Mr. Chief pictures than read the drivel about dust and water and seagulls. Nor did I ever say I speak for everyone. Do i have to pre-empt everything i write by saying this is my opinion? Thought that was pretty much a given. The reason you don't think there's anything wrong with H2 is because you're one of the duel wield loving bad kids I was referring to in my initial post. I'm not here to convert you - I'm just here to post my opinion. And I love how a moderator removed one of my posts because I called someone a noob twice. I've seen it in countless posts on this forum, never seen anyone have to remove it. Sad bungie, sad. I never said that Bungie didn't make a great game - I just said they killed what was good so they could appeal to the masses. They could have made a Halo Tournament game, kept the great graphics, and some of the old unintended game play and it would have sold millions too. And I would play H1 over H2 every day if there were enough people on XBC and such to do so, or if there was an actual Halo Tournament game based off of the best of both H1 and H2. That's right - I'm admitting that there are some things about H2 that are amazing because I'm realistic.

To address PaulRTC: "You assume that Bungie actively decided to make halo 2 different to halo 1 in order to appeal to the mass market and achieve better sales, it was more likely an organic process." I don't assume kid - it's true - they made H2 to appeal to the masses, and as i pointed out - good for them from a business perspective, but not from a game play perspective. Bungie should be bringing in pro's (I’ll point out here that I am NOT a pro - nor have I ever claimed to be. That should eliminate about 50 posts from people saying that I'm claiming to be the best) to test the game play, not people who think duel wielding is the greatest thing ever. It's the pro's who figure out the strategies, the weaknesses in a map, in a weapon etc... - Why aren't you pulling in Final Boss, Carbon, Shook One Gaming, or other pro's who would actually be able to give you the real good and bad about a game - instead of people who pick up needler's and run around the map oooohhing and ahhhing about how cool the grass looks in the wind. I love the graphics guys, but you need to take into account that the game is used for professional use too - and that arena is growing and growing on a huge scale. Why wouldn't you have them testing it?

"What your actual gripe is is that the masses like something in the Halo 2 game play that you don't like, and subsequently your needs weren't met with the game, as you're part of a minority." Last time I checked - I was the one forming my own opinioins and saying what my actual gripe is - not you. The masses that like Halo 2 are made up of kids who generally love most things that I feel make the game weak - and pretty much get online so they can put on this "tough guy" persona and cuss out every person they come across. I've said it before - the game is made to appeal to the masses, and congrats for doing so - it's an amazing game in that light - and I've never said I hated the game - I love the game, I'm just sad that it's not as fun to play as H1. I fully realize that I am a minority when it comes to my opinion; sad part is that the minority you're referring to is made up of many of the pro and semi-pro players around the world. As for your graphics comments, I believe i stated that i enjoy the graphics - but they are not more important than the game play. I'm not going to make a huge post about how wonderful Bungie is - I'm here to post my opinion on their update, And I've done that. Thanks for the counseling session though - who do I make the check out to?


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For the blue sky, you guys could have just said because the particles or what ever reflect blue light.
Nice though.

  • 03.24.2007 9:48 AM PDT

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To return to seriousness, however, this discussion is veering very far from its topic... the Update of March 23. It's a pity you didn't like Bungie's previous game, but it's not pertinent in this thread.

-- Steve will remind folks that there are real limits on what can he discussed in the Updates... for instance, plot spoilers won't go in, and neither will balance issues that are probably still being adjusted. Hence the concentration on art stuff that can't ruin surprises and won't change dramatically before release.

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Thanks for the counseling session though - who do I make the check out to?


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Hahhaha - that's priceless!! Thanks for keeping it humorous - you had me laughing pretty hard - love the first line of the address - good stuff. :)

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HA! Good update as always Frankie. How much water will we get to see in the beta? :)

  • 03.24.2007 10:18 AM PDT

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Nice Bungie, keep these update coming, they are very much appreciated.

  • 03.24.2007 10:20 AM PDT

nice update


i like cake

  • 03.24.2007 10:32 AM PDT

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You know what's sad - Spending a whole update talking about the color of the sky due to the dust particles: "Across the huge artifact that the Chief discovers in that trailer, you see the air start to haze over, as tiny distant particles change the color, quality and transparency of the air." - Guess what - no one cares about stupid dust particles. The only things people were looking for in the trailer were new weapons/enemies/guns - and the slight chance that you guys might make a semi-smart choice of showing an H1 pistol strapped somewhere to MC's waist. But that would be asking too much - you're too busy thinking it's fun picking up duel wields 80 games in a row in matchmaking - while competitive players are praying for one BR game in there somewhere.

And Seagulls??!!! Are you kidding me?? "So far I’ve seen seagulls and what appears to be some kind of cockatoo. Both kinds flock, wheel and fly in very large numbers. Who knows what those numbers will grow or dwindle to in the final cut, but right now the demo was about 50 seagulls wheeling and cawing above a cliff top, and looking remarkably like Discovery channel footage of an otherwise boring scene." Let me premise what I'm about to say by stating that Halo 2 was beautiful graphically, but I didn't play campaign or play multiplayer so i could stop and enjoy a seagull on a ledge 40 feet up. Any idiot doing that deserves to be sniped by the covenant. The problem with you guys is you think it's all about how cool a game looks. I'll take crap graphics and amazing game play over brilliant graphics and game play catered to the masses so that you can sell your quota of games for Microsoft. Yeah - yeah - i know - it's business too - if thats the case - why not put the H1 pistol in the game so we could at least use it in custom games? I have yet to hear one good or sane reason why you haven't done that. It's not like it would be hard - all you have to do is not screw with it like you did the magnum. That was piss poor too - but then you had to "bungie" it up and make it worse - good choice!

The fact is - you guys make an amazingly stunning game graphically - but you lose it when it comes to creating a game for competitive play. You made a game to appeal to everyone - where any noob could pick up 2 weapons and bum rush with his 3 noob friends and kill the best player in the world. Why? Because you lost grip on what made H1 great - the pistol, the importance of holding certain places on a map - or owning certain weapons, and most of all - the importance of not bum-rushing everyone and their mother because your health didn't come back every time you ran like a coward around a corner.

We all know what your goal was - to sell millions of games any way possible. Well - congrats - you've done it. Now how about fixing what you "bungied" up in H2 and making H3 something that was as good as H1 in multiplayer game play. You realize that even the pro's for MLG get together in their hotel rooms at tournaments and play H1 right???? They do that because despite the lesser graphics and absence of clear trickling spring water - the game play was amazing. You could always get better, always improve strategy. It was the things you didn't expect from the game that made it great - the backpack reloading and double smack - now you purposefully make sure that there's no chance for anyone to do something that you don't want them to at all costs. Heaven forbid that you admit that your initial mistakes were what made the game great in the first place. It would be nice to have a pistol in hand where i could three shot someone again no matter what duel wield they were holding. You've succeeded in selling out - and those of us that loved what you did with H1 have stuck with you so far. Again - you've done some amazing things with H2, and there are some things that would be great from H2 if they were blended with what made H1 great -but I highly doubt you'll take that into account - you'll probably be too busy getting your face shield crapped on by a passing flock of seagulls.


I just had to comment on this first off i find it funny that you assume that since people like me who love Halo 2 Multiplayer must have been terrible at Halo CE I personally was very VERY good At Halo CE i played in tournaments and won almost all of them and no they werent at my local internet cafe where only noobs tend to go Also i am very good at Halo 2 I am almost a Legit 40 i would be right now if it werent for modders modding me when im one game from a 40 but nonetheless also id like to say that on the note of the "double smack" that they made sure people werent allowed to do umm yea its called a BxB in fact if your good and can time it you can continue to do it over and over without accidently cancelling your smacks Now my whole speculation for all this is that your not very good at Halo 2 meaning you cant BR to save your life when there are two or three people dual wielding coming after you and you just were plain out bad at the game Now this may just be me and my friends but...now dont take this the wrong way i personally feel that if your bad at Halo 2 you must Have also been bad at Halo CE i mean me and my friends have all agreed that we are better than alot of people at Halo 2 because of the fact that we played Halo CE and were good at it Now my final comment on all of this (at least i hope it will be) is that when you said "noone cares about dust particles" i believe you should not talk for anyone but yourself unless you know for a FACT what other peoples opinions are i personally am very interested in these"dust particles" and every other aspect of the graphics and work that go into making the game O yea two more things one being that if you dont like halo 2 and you dont think that they are going to"fix" Halo 3(i personally dont believe theres anything to fix sure you can add new stuff but i like the gameplay how it is)to your liking then...now tell me if im out of line by saying this.....why the hell do you post here if you dont think that they are going to make a Halo that suits you and you dont think that your really even going to play halo 3 then serriously dude stop wasting space in the forums i read every post before i say anything and when i have to read posts from little BK's like you it irritates me your posts are a waste or time why dont you go with the Halo 2 Vista kids by saying IM TOO LAZY TO CLICK A LINK TO SEE AN UPDATE CANT YOU JUST PUT IT ON YOUR FRONT PAGE BUNGIE. wow i think i just got a little crazed there sorry about that any ways before i get into trouble(well any more than i am probably already going to be in) I would just like to say BUNGIE YOU ARE THE GODS OF GAMES KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK o and if you could like reply to this in the froums thatd be sweet ive always wanted to be replied to whether it would be good or bad itd be hella sweet btw sorry for the long ass run on sentence i just am to lazy to put periods and such i mean it almost killed me to put qoutations


Hehe well here's your reply. Which is more of an agreement. So here it is:
Bungie, you guys are PURE AWESOMENESS!

  • 03.24.2007 11:06 AM PDT

Posted by: xI JANITOR Ix
You know what's sad - Spending a whole update talking about the color of the sky due to the dust particles: "Across the huge artifact that the Chief discovers in that trailer, you see the air start to haze over, as tiny distant particles change the color, quality and transparency of the air." - Guess what - no one cares about stupid dust particles. The only things people were looking for in the trailer were new weapons/enemies/guns - and the slight chance that you guys might make a semi-smart choice of showing an H1 pistol strapped somewhere to MC's waist. But that would be asking too much - you're too busy thinking it's fun picking up duel wields 80 games in a row in matchmaking - while competitive players are praying for one BR game in there somewhere.

And Seagulls??!!! Are you kidding me?? "So far I’ve seen seagulls and what appears to be some kind of cockatoo. Both kinds flock, wheel and fly in very large numbers. Who knows what those numbers will grow or dwindle to in the final cut, but right now the demo was about 50 seagulls wheeling and cawing above a cliff top, and looking remarkably like Discovery channel footage of an otherwise boring scene." Let me premise what I'm about to say by stating that Halo 2 was beautiful graphically, but I didn't play campaign or play multiplayer so i could stop and enjoy a seagull on a ledge 40 feet up. Any idiot doing that deserves to be sniped by the covenant. The problem with you guys is you think it's all about how cool a game looks. I'll take crap graphics and amazing game play over brilliant graphics and game play catered to the masses so that you can sell your quota of games for Microsoft. Yeah - yeah - i know - it's business too - if thats the case - why not put the H1 pistol in the game so we could at least use it in custom games? I have yet to hear one good or sane reason why you haven't done that. It's not like it would be hard - all you have to do is not screw with it like you did the magnum. That was piss poor too - but then you had to "bungie" it up and make it worse - good choice!

The fact is - you guys make an amazingly stunning game graphically - but you lose it when it comes to creating a game for competitive play. You made a game to appeal to everyone - where any noob could pick up 2 weapons and bum rush with his 3 noob friends and kill the best player in the world. Why? Because you lost grip on what made H1 great - the pistol, the importance of holding certain places on a map - or owning certain weapons, and most of all - the importance of not bum-rushing everyone and their mother because your health didn't come back every time you ran like a coward around a corner.

We all know what your goal was - to sell millions of games any way possible. Well - congrats - you've done it. Now how about fixing what you "bungied" up in H2 and making H3 something that was as good as H1 in multiplayer game play. You realize that even the pro's for MLG get together in their hotel rooms at tournaments and play H1 right???? They do that because despite the lesser graphics and absence of clear trickling spring water - the game play was amazing. You could always get better, always improve strategy. It was the things you didn't expect from the game that made it great - the backpack reloading and double smack - now you purposefully make sure that there's no chance for anyone to do something that you don't want them to at all costs. Heaven forbid that you admit that your initial mistakes were what made the game great in the first place. It would be nice to have a pistol in hand where i could three shot someone again no matter what duel wield they were holding. You've succeeded in selling out - and those of us that loved what you did with H1 have stuck with you so far. Again - you've done some amazing things with H2, and there are some things that would be great from H2 if they were blended with what made H1 great -but I highly doubt you'll take that into account - you'll probably be too busy getting your face shield crapped on by a passing flock of seagulls.


Please stop talking.

  • 03.24.2007 11:19 AM PDT

Posted by: odin1156
Posted by: xI JANITOR Ix
You know what's sad - Spending a whole update talking about the color of the sky due to the dust particles: "Across the huge artifact that the Chief discovers in that trailer, you see the air start to haze over, as tiny distant particles change the color, quality and transparency of the air." - Guess what - no one cares about stupid dust particles. The only things people were looking for in the trailer were new weapons/enemies/guns - and the slight chance that you guys might make a semi-smart choice of showing an H1 pistol strapped somewhere to MC's waist. But that would be asking too much - you're too busy thinking it's fun picking up duel wields 80 games in a row in matchmaking - while competitive players are praying for one BR game in there somewhere.

And Seagulls??!!! Are you kidding me?? "So far I’ve seen seagulls and what appears to be some kind of cockatoo. Both kinds flock, wheel and fly in very large numbers. Who knows what those numbers will grow or dwindle to in the final cut, but right now the demo was about 50 seagulls wheeling and cawing above a cliff top, and looking remarkably like Discovery channel footage of an otherwise boring scene." Let me premise what I'm about to say by stating that Halo 2 was beautiful graphically, but I didn't play campaign or play multiplayer so i could stop and enjoy a seagull on a ledge 40 feet up. Any idiot doing that deserves to be sniped by the covenant. The problem with you guys is you think it's all about how cool a game looks. I'll take crap graphics and amazing game play over brilliant graphics and game play catered to the masses so that you can sell your quota of games for Microsoft. Yeah - yeah - i know - it's business too - if thats the case - why not put the H1 pistol in the game so we could at least use it in custom games? I have yet to hear one good or sane reason why you haven't done that. It's not like it would be hard - all you have to do is not screw with it like you did the magnum. That was piss poor too - but then you had to "bungie" it up and make it worse - good choice!

The fact is - you guys make an amazingly stunning game graphically - but you lose it when it comes to creating a game for competitive play. You made a game to appeal to everyone - where any noob could pick up 2 weapons and bum rush with his 3 noob friends and kill the best player in the world. Why? Because you lost grip on what made H1 great - the pistol, the importance of holding certain places on a map - or owning certain weapons, and most of all - the importance of not bum-rushing everyone and their mother because your health didn't come back every time you ran like a coward around a corner.

We all know what your goal was - to sell millions of games any way possible. Well - congrats - you've done it. Now how about fixing what you "bungied" up in H2 and making H3 something that was as good as H1 in multiplayer game play. You realize that even the pro's for MLG get together in their hotel rooms at tournaments and play H1 right???? They do that because despite the lesser graphics and absence of clear trickling spring water - the game play was amazing. You could always get better, always improve strategy. It was the things you didn't expect from the game that made it great - the backpack reloading and double smack - now you purposefully make sure that there's no chance for anyone to do something that you don't want them to at all costs. Heaven forbid that you admit that your initial mistakes were what made the game great in the first place. It would be nice to have a pistol in hand where i could three shot someone again no matter what duel wield they were holding. You've succeeded in selling out - and those of us that loved what you did with H1 have stuck with you so far. Again - you've done some amazing things with H2, and there are some things that would be great from H2 if they were blended with what made H1 great -but I highly doubt you'll take that into account - you'll probably be too busy getting your face shield crapped on by a passing flock of seagulls.


I just had to comment on this first off i find it funny that you assume that since people like me who love Halo 2 Multiplayer must have been terrible at Halo CE I personally was very VERY good At Halo CE i played in tournaments and won almost all of them and no they werent at my local internet cafe where only noobs tend to go Also i am very good at Halo 2 I am almost a Legit 40 i would be right now if it werent for modders modding me when im one game from a 40 but nonetheless also id like to say that on the note of the "double smack" that they made sure people werent allowed to do umm yea its called a BxB in fact if your good and can time it you can continue to do it over and over without accidently cancelling your smacks Now my whole speculation for all this is that your not very good at Halo 2 meaning you cant BR to save your life when there are two or three people dual wielding coming after you and you just were plain out bad at the game Now this may just be me and my friends but...now dont take this the wrong way i personally feel that if your bad at Halo 2 you must Have also been bad at Halo CE i mean me and my friends have all agreed that we are better than alot of people at Halo 2 because of the fact that we played Halo CE and were good at it Now my final comment on all of this (at least i hope it will be) is that when you said "noone cares about dust particles" i believe you should not talk for anyone but yourself unless you know for a FACT what other peoples opinions are i personally am very interested in these"dust particles" and every other aspect of the graphics and work that go into making the game O yea two more things one being that if you dont like halo 2 and you dont think that they are going to"fix" Halo 3(i personally dont believe theres anything to fix sure you can add new stuff but i like the gameplay how it is)to your liking then...now tell me if im out of line by saying this.....why the hell do you post here if you dont think that they are going to make a Halo that suits you and you dont think that your really even going to play halo 3 then serriously dude stop wasting space in the forums i read every post before i say anything and when i have to read posts from little BK's like you it irritates me your posts are a waste or time why dont you go with the Halo 2 Vista kids by saying IM TOO LAZY TO CLICK A LINK TO SEE AN UPDATE CANT YOU JUST PUT IT ON YOUR FRONT PAGE BUNGIE. wow i think i just got a little crazed there sorry about that any ways before i get into trouble(well any more than i am probably already going to be in) I would just like to say BUNGIE YOU ARE THE GODS OF GAMES KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK o and if you could like reply to this in the froums thatd be sweet ive always wanted to be replied to whether it would be good or bad itd be hella sweet btw sorry for the long ass run on sentence i just am to lazy to put periods and such i mean it almost killed me to put qoutations


Lol! Janitor got pwned! It almost seems like janitors feverishly searching through a thesaurus to find all those sophisticated sounding words. You don't have to impress us when we know you're talking bull--blam!- anyways. It seems like everyone is turning against you in this forum anyways. So quit whining about how halo 2 sucks and grow up.

  • 03.24.2007 11:23 AM PDT