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I find it annoying how my fellow members seek to undermine each other by using threatening, and embarrassing remarks. Telling people that there theory is bull and giving negative feedback on a find thats already been discussed is just plain rude You all play Mod Juniors as well. I know some comments need to be said, like telling a member if he/she has posted in the wrong forum. If its already been discussed then don't reply by telling them so. There thread will disappear eventually.

The mods are here to upkeep threads and behavior in the forums, the members shouldn't do it themselves. Remember, we're all members together. Halo Nation shouldn't be a bunch of nerds arguing with each other, we should all help each other.

By being more polite and helpful will cause less threads to be formed. Eventually a more organized thread pattern will occur. Hopefully I'm right about how mature our members can be, if pushed in the right direction. Reply only if you have positive or negative feedback about my opinion on posting. Please don't reply if your only going to make pointless remarks, because by doing that your only reinforcing my idea, thanks.


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  • 03.25.2007 3:33 PM PDT

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

There's nothing wrong with being a forum cop if you do it in a nice way... IMO.

Telling people their theory is BS isn't playing mod, it's called flaming.

  • 03.25.2007 3:41 PM PDT

Yes. I hate it when people post in a thread saying something to the effect of "Old," or "This has been discussed before." If it's old, oh well. You don't need to be rude about it. Or they'll post saying "A mod is going to lock this." If a moderator is going to lock it, they will. You don't need to tell the OP that.

So yeah, I agree.

  • 03.25.2007 3:52 PM PDT

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I don't even know why people get worked up over something being old. Just because one person saw it doesn't mean everyone did.

  • 03.25.2007 3:58 PM PDT
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no but when everybody saw it and you can still search it, it is. the Search is their for a reason.

  • 03.25.2007 4:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Code Zero
I don't even know why people get worked up over something being old. Just because one person saw it doesn't mean everyone did.


I know right? So true.

About the topic, as Code said, being a "Forum Cop" is ok as long as you do it right. But there's a difference between "Forum Cop" and "Mod wannabe."

A "Forum Cop" will politely recommend someone use the Classifieds for an ad (or better yet just PM a mod) whereas a "Mod Wannabe" will simply say something like 'This is the wrong forum, and will be locked.'

I put Forum Cop in quotes because sometimes people mistake someone's kindness as being a Forum Cop. It's all such a complicated and touchy subject, but hey, that's what makes Bungie.net so great.

[Edited on 03.25.2007 4:04 PM PDT]

  • 03.25.2007 4:04 PM PDT

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This has been discussed so many times. Crappy idea, too.
Locked!

Now, that I'm done with my pointless remarks, allow me to say; helping out in a friendly way, and directing people to where they need to be, or suggesting they not say something, isn't a bad thing.

  • 03.25.2007 4:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: Thing1
I find it annoying how my fellow members seek to undermine each other by using threatening, and embarrassing remarks. Telling people that there theory is bull and giving negative feedback on a find thats already been discussed is just plain rude You all play Mod Juniors as well. I know some comments need to be said, like telling a member if he/she has posted in the wrong forum. If its already been discussed then don't reply by telling them so. There thread will disappear eventually.

The mods are here to upkeep threads and behavior in the forums, the members shouldn't do it themselves. Remember, we're all members together. Halo Nation shouldn't be a bunch of nerds arguing with each other, we should all help each other.

By being more polite and helpful will cause less threads to be formed. Eventually a more organized thread pattern will occur. Hopefully I'm right about how mature our members can be, if pushed in the right direction. Reply only if you have positive or negative feedback about my opinion on posting. Please don't reply if your only going to make pointless remarks, because by doing that your only reinforcing my idea, thanks.


It sounds like you are comparing flaming to being a forum cop.

Being a forum cop is ok if you do it right. Flamming is wrong anyway you do it.

  • 03.25.2007 4:24 PM PDT

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I agree that users who flame a poster for having a different opinion is wrong, but that’s not my idea of acting like a, “Mod Junior.” Not once have I seen a moderator criticize a poster on their opinion, preference or theory. If you see this occurring in a thread, feel free to message a moderator about it, they can handle it from there.

Why shouldn’t members help pitch in and make our community shine? Remember, we are all part of this community, so each of us should administer our fair share of input.

Members who politely reply to a thread, directing the original poster to the right path or enforcing the rules, should be encouraged, not abstained. Moderators can’t reply to every thread that has been posted on these forums, due to sheer volume and limited time Forum Ninja’s have on B.net. That’s where we members come in, offering assistance to those who are new, or are unsure of the rules. This is no different from real life scenarios, such as cleaning up your garbage even though a janitor is present. By doing this, you make it easier for Forum Ninjas to do their job, and you help the community out, showing positive community interaction.

As of now, and in the future, I endorse, "forum cops"and encouraged members to act on behalf of their community because they offer great assistance here. Moderators aren't always available at every minute, but members will always be online, and they can assist users who are in need.

Posted by: Thing1
I find it annoying how my fellow members seek to undermine each other by using threatening, and embarrassing remarks. Telling people that there theory is bull and giving negative feedback on a find thats already been discussed is just plain rude You all play Mod Juniors as well.

The mods are here to upkeep threads and behavior in the forums, the members shouldn't do it themselves. Remember, we're all members together. Halo Nation shouldn't be a bunch of nerds arguing with each other, we should all help each other.

By being more polite and helpful will cause less threads to be formed. Eventually a more organized thread pattern will occur.

  • 03.25.2007 4:36 PM PDT
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As of now, and in the future, I endorse, "forum cops"and encouraged members to act on behalf of their community because they offer great assistance here. Moderators aren't always available at every minute, but members will always be online, and they can assist users who are in need.

Thank you.

But be wary of the way you approach the situation. Deal with the problem appropriately, and don't be too showy. No one likes an air head full of himself. =] great to hear from ICEMAN ASSASS1N and jmh.


[Edited on 03.25.2007 6:42 PM PDT]

  • 03.25.2007 6:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Thing1
As of now, and in the future, I endorse, "forum cops"and encouraged members to act on behalf of their community because they offer great assistance here. Moderators aren't always available at every minute, but members will always be online, and they can assist users who are in need.

Thank you.

But be wary of the way you approach the situation. Deal with the problem appropriately, and don't be too showy. No one likes an air head full of himself. =] great to hear from ICEMAN ASSASS1N and jmh.

The chunk of text above me is great and is exactly how I feel. It is either for the community or for yourself and I believe the community should be put infront of yourself in that aspect.

  • 03.25.2007 6:56 PM PDT
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There's a difference between pointing a member in the right direction and flaming. We should all do our best to keep that balance in mind.

  • 03.25.2007 7:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Code Zero
I don't even know why people get worked up over something being old. Just because one person saw it doesn't mean everyone did.


Yes, but if the original post is still visible (i.e. x-button topics) then I'm sure this behavior can most likely be excused.

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Posted by: Thing1
I find it annoying how my fellow members seek to undermine each other by using threatening, and embarrassing remarks. Telling people that there theory is bull and giving negative feedback on a find thats already been discussed is just plain rude You all play Mod Juniors as well. I know some comments need to be said, like telling a member if he/she has posted in the wrong forum. If its already been discussed then don't reply by telling them so. There thread will disappear eventually.

The mods are here to upkeep threads and behavior in the forums, the members shouldn't do it themselves. Remember, we're all members together. Halo Nation shouldn't be a bunch of nerds arguing with each other, we should all help each other.

By being more polite and helpful will cause less threads to be formed. Eventually a more organized thread pattern will occur. Hopefully I'm right about how mature our members can be, if pushed in the right direction. Reply only if you have positive or negative feedback about my opinion on posting. Please don't reply if your only going to make pointless remarks, because by doing that your only reinforcing my idea, thanks.


We don't all play forum cop. We should report inappropriate threads to mods and ignore them. If a thread is in the wrong forum, then mods will move it. We don't need to do their job.

  • 03.26.2007 7:13 AM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

The thing that people need to realize is that by playing "Forum Cop" you are possibly doing a few things that are detrimental. Firstly if it is a thread that is spam or just plain not appropriate then all you are doing is help keeping it on the front page. The next thing is if it is a valid thread but in a wrong forum and all you do is post where it should have gone then all you are doing is technically spamming. All you are doing is replying to what was done wrong and not actually adding to the discussion. Lastly the worst thing that you can do wrong is to post wrong info. I will tell you now that it is a big no-no. Shishka was known for hammering people who did it and very soon I will be the same way. If you are going to help make sure that you are saying the correct things. Giving out wrong info is not very helpful at all.

As stated before it can be difficult to be a "Forum Cop." I for one had a different approach when I was trying to help out to minimize the bad effects. Here is what I started doing:

1. PM's are your friend. Use them to let a member know what they did was wrong but offer advice to help them along their way. Be friendly and courteous. No need to sound like a big headed jerk. Also use the PM system to let us know if a thread needs to be moved or if it might need more drastic action to be taken.

2. Read the entire thread first. Too many times have I seen threads where a member was told by quite a few people what he did was wrong. Once again all it does is keep the thread on the first page and does nothing to help the discussion if it is a valid thread. If the thread is not appropriate then all you are doing again is keeping it where people can see it and feeding the Trolls.

3. Before sending out a PM or deciding to post in the thread please make sure your info is correct. Check your sources and proof read your post to see if you might have given a member "wrong directions" so to speak. It takes just a little more time and can save a huge headache for all involved.

These are just a few things you can do. You are helping out with the community but you are also not possibly causing further disruption. Take it from me when I first got here I did some some "Forum Copping" myself and I realized that in the end it was better to just report it to a mod and send just a helpful little PM to the member. It made me feel better that I was helping the community but it also made the other member I PM'ed feel a bit better that they were not being pointed out on the main forums for doing something wrong.

Above all the last piece of advice I can give to people who wish to be "Forum Cops" is to enjoy your time on B.net. If you see a thread that needs our attention let us know. Do not spend all of your time looking for them. All you do then is miss out on great threads that you never got around to posting in because you were too busy looking for problem threads. In the end you will come away with a bad taste in your mouth and you will have missed out on the enjoyment of some of the ideas and fun times B.net can offer.

Well I feel I should end this little novel with something witty. Let's see here. Python should do the trick.

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  • 03.26.2007 8:06 AM PDT

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  • 03.26.2007 9:01 AM PDT

If you don't got it, you want it. If you got it, you want more of it. Of course if you don't know what it is, it's hard to get any in the first place.

Personally I'd love to see an etiquette guide be stickied. You all know how many times we see "HOMG BUNGHEY SUKZ 4 lossin MAI LEGIT! 34 to CHETZ" or "HOwI MIND fur FISH!?" appear on the site. If user's knew how detrimental posts and threads like that were to the site, you think we're see a decline in those kinds of posts (At least in the Septagon and Underground?)

Many cases it's these types of posts which aggravate users (and me) to being less than sincere (sorry , really. It just snuck up on me with a bottle of Gin.)

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  • 03.26.2007 9:14 AM PDT

You say tomato; I say potato.

Generally, when I get the urge to point out someones wrong doings, I leave the thread. If it gets out of hand I make a small attempt to alert a mod. Impulsive replying is not against the rules, but it can cause you to break rules.

  • 03.26.2007 9:39 AM PDT

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That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

As with any sizable community the number of personalities and differences in those personalities will ALWAYS lead to the things that people feel inclined to post about in The Septagon day after day after day after day.............etc.

There will always be forum cops, spammers, flamers, trolls and the like. Honestly, the people who constantly post these topics are becoming just as much of a pain as the flamers. It reminds me of the federal government, lots of talk about something that everyone already knows about, but they continue to talk about it anyway.

I can deal with the spammers, flamers, and the like. As someone already posted, its the internet, deal with it. What I cant deal with is day after day, post after post of people complaining about how the community isnt how it used to be. It doesnt make it any better that 9/10 posters weren't even around to know what the community once was.

To me community says, "Hey lets get some people together in the mid-atlantic region for kick ass LAN party" or something along those lines. The only thing thats been remotely "community" about Bungie.net at all in the past 2 years is Jim's Bathroom Reader. Community doesnt mean posting, "OMG theres spammerz in Teh Flood" in The Septagon on a daily basis. We have eyes, we can see the obvious.

Stop whining like babies. Everyone who complains on a daily basis about "what happened to the community" just; for lack of a better phrase; shut up. Constantly reminding everyone that the community isnt the same as it was 4 or 5 years ago isnt doing a damn thing to make the community better. Its just setting yourself up to look stupid by stating the painfully obvious. It's a simple point really, and it can be summed up in one statement...

Complaining about something doesnt make it better.

  • 03.26.2007 9:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: SS_Zag1
This has been discussed so many times. Crappy idea, too.
Locked!

Now, that I'm done with my pointless remarks, allow me to say; helping out in a friendly way, and directing people to where they need to be, or suggesting they not say something, isn't a bad thing.

...unless you're bumping a thread that's in the wrong forum, right?

If someone's posting to tell someone that 'Clan adverts belong in The Classifieds' then I wouldn't call that helpful in the slightest. However, if that member sent a PM to the topic creator (or better yet, to someone who can move the thread to the correct forum) THEN I would call it helpful.

Forumcopping can be counter-productive if you're doing it in the offending thread itself.

I would be angry if I made a thread I wanted to be taken seriously, and then a bunch of forumcops began posting in an off-topic thread below mine just to say "This is off-topic". Ok. That's great that you understand those threads are going to be locked, but it would be nice if you understood why they're going to be locked also.

  • 03.26.2007 9:57 AM PDT

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If someone's posting to tell someone that 'Clan adverts belong in The Classifieds' then I wouldn't call that helpful in the slightest. However, if that member sent a PM to the topic creator (or better yet, to someone who can move the thread to the correct forum) THEN I would call it helpful.

*cough* A PM would probably be better off. I'll agree with that..

Forumcopping can be counter-productive if you're doing it in the offending thread itself.

I would be angry if I made a thread I wanted to be taken seriously, and then a bunch of forumcops began posting in an off-topic thread below mine just to say "This is off-topic". Ok. That's great that you understand those threads are going to be locked, but it would be nice if you understood why they're going to be locked also.

Honestly, I think when members say things like "Blacklisted." or "Mods, come lock this!" or "LOCKED!" or.. Well, you get the point; that is, in my opinion, a worse offense than creating an off-topic or 'bad' thread. It should be punished, as it in no way helps out. It's essentially spam, and members trying to act all high and mighty over other ones.

So, the appropriate procedure would be for an off-topic thread:
1) Don't post in the thread unless it pertains to the topic the thread presents (unless it's something against the rules, then don't bother at all)
2) PM the Topic Starter kindly letting him know what he should do in the future.
3) PM a mod letting him know the post is inappropriate for that forum. (or just wait for a moderator to get to it)
4) Allow the moderator (read: not you) to post the reason why the thread is being locked, (or PM the topic creator) and lock the thread.

That's quieter, more polite, and a much better way to 'help' without making a spectacle of it.

[Edited on 03.26.2007 10:23 AM PDT]

  • 03.26.2007 10:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: ReZeNeR
Why shouldn’t members help pitch in and make our community shine? Remember, we are all part of this community, so each of us should administer our fair share of input.

You are entitled to add your input on anything site or bungie-related. But when it comes to enforcing the rules, your input is not necessary. Remember, Ninjas have a group where we decide on new rules and fluctuations in how strict we can be. Any rule can change on a whim so I don't believe members are (to be blunt) trusted to give out advice or suggestions regarding rule-breaking.

Posted by: ReZeNeR
Members who politely reply to a thread, directing the original poster to the right path or enforcing the rules, should be encouraged, not abstained. Moderators can’t reply to every thread that has been posted on these forums, due to sheer volume and limited time Forum Ninja’s have on B.net. That’s where we members come in, offering assistance to those who are new, or are unsure of the rules.

Your help is not abstained. Your help is encouraged. Most of the threads I close come from MSN and PMs alone.

But please, please note that your help is encouraged, and replying to spam is, in fact, the opposite of helping. No flawed reasoning or good intentions will make your spam posts any less detrimental.

We can reply to every thread we close. In fact, we do (99% of the time).

Posted by: ReZeNeR
This is no different from real life scenarios, such as cleaning up your garbage even though a janitor is present. By doing this, you make it easier for Forum Ninjas to do their job, and you help the community out, showing positive community interaction.

I find analogies to be quite irrelevant when arguing something; mainly because they have nothing to do with the situation at hand. Your analogy is over-simplifying the situation. Throwing your litter in the bin has no negative effects unlike this. Again, I refer you to my other example post where I would get quite pissed off if people were bumping spam instead of my well-thought-out legitimate thread.

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As of now, and in the future, I endorse, "forum cops"and encouraged members to act on behalf of their community because they offer great assistance here.

I don't endorse "forum cops". I do not agree with your opinion of "helping", (to the point where I warn people for repeatedly doing it). A member can offer great assistance but I don't see how replying to spam satisfies that criteria.

  • 03.26.2007 10:59 AM PDT
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I just wanted to get the word out. I'm sure members have posted threads like this, but honestly, I think most of us really feel strongly about how bungie members should be treated. I really want to bring the community together. The forum cop issue does coincide with my idea of a happier bungie. Its hard to have a site like this when anyone can become a member, because there will always be spammers, and the like. A great thing about anyone becoming a member is everyone can help each other. If a number of honest, helpful, and good hearted bungie fans become the helpers and the guides to new members, then they can replace the old name of a 'forum cop' to a new one called 'forum guide.' I mostly think theres too much negativity in the way the majority of members here post. So the message I want to get out to everyone is, be nice, be mature, and be helpful. =]

  • 03.26.2007 1:41 PM PDT

Posted by: Thing1
I really want to bring the community together. =]


Which is why I suggested a Kumbyah forum.

  • 03.26.2007 1:55 PM PDT

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