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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: ash55
I find analogies to be quite irrelevant when arguing something; mainly because they have nothing to do with the situation at hand. Your analogy is over-simplifying the situation. Throwing your litter in the bin has no negative effects unlike this. Again, I refer you to my other example post where I would get quite pissed off if people were bumping spam instead of my well-thought-out legitimate thread.


Au contraire, mon amie, a well-placed analogy is never irrelevant. Indeed, you used two analogies in your own response directly after stating that analogies are irrelevant. 1) you rebutted the "janitor" analogy; and 2) you analogized to your own "example" (that was an analogy).

As someone who argues and advocates in adversarial situations for a living, I happen to love analogies (as do my colleagues in the field). An analogy can help to highlight why a situation is the same or (such as in the way you used it), how the situation is completely different. Analogies are used by professional debaters, lawyers who argue for a living, and political/social commentators alike. To say that they are irrelevant in arguments goes against the vast weight of what the pros who argue for a living think.

Just because an analogy may not fit does not necessarily make it irrelevant. Indeed, it makes it wholly relevant in highlighting why certain situations are different from others, and the analogies you made in fact helped you to solidify your point.

[Edited on 03.26.2007 2:15 PM PDT]

  • 03.26.2007 2:13 PM PDT

Fight hard, break bones >{o

analogies are good for lawyers, debaters and the like becuase those people don't care about whats right or wrong, they only care about their position. if you were running for president you wouldn't say "my opponent has a better plan then me, but you should elect me becuase i can admit that!". and examples and analogies are 2 different animals.

you wish to argue your point, thats why analogies work for you. you dont wish to find the solution, but enforce your own. when ever i post i try to take all sides, i enjoy arguements becuase they help me and my opponents (not always). if i am wrong, that is fine. i accept it and now i know for next time. if i am right, i can still hopefully become a little wiser from my opponents arguement and hopefully my oppenent will themselves grow. grammer is also a skill you can develope. when people can't win the arguement with facts, they will occasionally resort to attacking your grammer. i know i dont punctuate when i should, but being as this is a forum, not english class, i dont feel the need to waste time doing so. if i was able to type just as fast with correct punctuation, i certainly would but being as i cant, i dont.

  • 03.26.2007 3:24 PM PDT

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Maybe I have to elucidate my statement. I’m suggesting that members help with clarifying the rules in a more lenient way, like directing members to an appropriate board or if they’re beseeching a particular question or help. Waiting for a moderator to reply may not happen as quickly as everyone would exclaim it, especially if the user needs attention; members can be there to assist, to a degree of course.

It’s understandable that such statements as, “This thread is off-topic, locked.” ect, being rehearsed may cause spam and annoyances, but if you’re the first user to do reply in a helpful way; there’s nothing wrong with it in my view. Users who repeat such actions are appropriately dealt with by the moderators. (I’m assuming)

Posted by: ash55
You are entitled to add your input on anything site or bungie-related. But when it comes to enforcing the rules, your input is not necessary. Remember, Ninjas have a group where we decide on new rules and fluctuations in how strict we can be. Any rule can change on a whim so I don't believe members are (to be blunt) trusted to give out advice or suggestions regarding rule-breaking.

But please, please note that your help is encouraged, and replying to spam is, in fact, the opposite of helping. No flawed reasoning or good intentions will make your spam posts any less detrimental.

  • 03.26.2007 3:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: ash55
I find analogies to be quite irrelevant when arguing something; mainly because they have nothing to do with the situation at hand. Your analogy is over-simplifying the situation. Throwing your litter in the bin has no negative effects unlike this. Again, I refer you to my other example post where I would get quite pissed off if people were bumping spam instead of my well-thought-out legitimate thread.


Au contraire, mon amie, a well-placed analogy is never irrelevant. Indeed, you used two analogies in your own response directly after stating that analogies are irrelevant. 1) you rebutted the "janitor" analogy; and 2) you analogized to your own "example" (that was an analogy).

As someone who argues and advocates in adversarial situations for a living, I happen to love analogies (as do my colleagues in the field). An analogy can help to highlight why a situation is the same or (such as in the way you used it), how the situation is completely different. Analogies are used by professional debaters, lawyers who argue for a living, and political/social commentators alike. To say that they are irrelevant in arguments goes against the vast weight of what the pros who argue for a living think.

Just because an analogy may not fit does not necessarily make it irrelevant. Indeed, it makes it wholly relevant in highlighting why certain situations are different from others, and the analogies you made in fact helped you to solidify your point.

To be honest, whenever someone thinks of an analogy, it usually suffers from many flaws. I remember someone saying the analogy that "Optimatch is like going to a fast-food restaurant and being given the wrong order". Which is overlooking the reason behind Matchmaking entirely (for example, in matchmaking, you're not forced to share your food with someone else. You may want a chocolate milkshake, but your opponent may want strawberry).

An analogy can be useful for expressing your own view on something but most analogies I've seen can be picked apart because they're so fundamentally different (therefore irrelevant).

1) I didn't use an analogy to compare how similar the two situations are. I did the opposite, I picked apart an already existing analogy.
2) My "example" wasn't an analogy. It was an related example using a real potential situation in the forums. In fact, the only reason I'm arguing this is because I know people who are sick and tired of spam threads being bumped above their discussions.

ReZ. In your opinion, you don't think one reply is that bad? I disagree.

Perhaps I'm not being clear. I don't just disagree. I will hand out warnings (and have in the past) to people who do it. Use PMs, it's not a members responsibility to report what's in violation of the rules, however they can report threads that they believe to be violations.

Replying to a thread will not achieve anything that a PM doesn't.

[Edited on 03.26.2007 7:12 PM PDT]

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hey guys, I'm all cool with your analogy discussion but ummm, thats not really the topic...=] but whatever, i'll leave it to a ninja to decide that =]

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Posted by: ash55
Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: ash55
I find analogies to be quite irrelevant when arguing something; mainly because they have nothing to do with the situation at hand. Your analogy is over-simplifying the situation. Throwing your litter in the bin has no negative effects unlike this. Again, I refer you to my other example post where I would get quite pissed off if people were bumping spam instead of my well-thought-out legitimate thread.


Au contraire, mon amie, a well-placed analogy is never irrelevant. Indeed, you used two analogies in your own response directly after stating that analogies are irrelevant. 1) you rebutted the "janitor" analogy; and 2) you analogized to your own "example" (that was an analogy).

As someone who argues and advocates in adversarial situations for a living, I happen to love analogies (as do my colleagues in the field). An analogy can help to highlight why a situation is the same or (such as in the way you used it), how the situation is completely different. Analogies are used by professional debaters, lawyers who argue for a living, and political/social commentators alike. To say that they are irrelevant in arguments goes against the vast weight of what the pros who argue for a living think.

Just because an analogy may not fit does not necessarily make it irrelevant. Indeed, it makes it wholly relevant in highlighting why certain situations are different from others, and the analogies you made in fact helped you to solidify your point.

To be honest, whenever someone thinks of an analogy, it usually suffers from many flaws. I remember someone saying the analogy that "Optimatch is like going to a fast-food restaurant and being given the wrong order". Which is overlooking the reason behind Matchmaking entirely (for example, in matchmaking, you're not forced to share your food with someone else. You may want a chocolate milkshake, but your opponent may want strawberry).

An analogy can be useful for expressing your own view on something but most analogies I've seen can be picked apart because they're so fundamentally different (therefore irrelevant).

1) I didn't use an analogy to compare how similar the two situations are. I did the opposite, I picked apart an already existing analogy.
2) My "example" wasn't an analogy. It was an related example using a real potential situation in the forums. In fact, the only reason I'm arguing this is because I know people who are sick and tired of spam threads being bumped above their discussions.

ReZ. In your opinion, you don't think one reply is that bad? I disagree.

Perhaps I'm not being clear. I don't just disagree. I will hand out warnings (and have in the past) to people who do it. Use PMs, it's not a members responsibility to report what's in violation of the rules, however they can report threads that they believe to be violations.

Replying to a thread will not achieve anything that a PM doesn't.


I agree. From experience I have found the ninjas to be very fast when it comes to responding to PMs. Responding to inappropriate threads only gives the flamers and trolls more attention. Let the lethal ninjas deal with it. I am much more interested in finding Ling Ling's head and playing the latest build of Pimps@Sea.

We should let the professionals take care of problems.

Example of B.net ninja in action: Watch out

[Edited on 03.26.2007 7:29 PM PDT]

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