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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: Basilisk666
Just imagine what speculations they could come up with if they discussed the Kennedy Assassination.


Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963.

OMG ITS TEH RELEZE DATE!!!!!!!!



How did this come up?

*100th post*



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Posted by: Basilisk666
Posted by: muffin man one
You think the flood is bad? Try the halo 3 forum. Not only is there spam from people who think they have the next 'big theory' even though they only have about 3 lines and no evidence to back it up. Not to mention the horrible grammar, I wouldn't mind reading %60 of the threads if only they used proper grammar. At least in the flood a lot more people use correct spelling and grammar. You may not think it, but you are being elitist. The flood is a place of discussion if you get flamed for trying to discuss something it is usually because the majority of the forum don't want to discuss it. If it is only from one person then fair enough.

Look, it happens,, I got flamed once for spelling 'ultimatum' wrong but at least I didn't make another thread in the 7th column complaining about it. You are just exaggerating the situation. The mods are there to do their jobs and they do them well, so there is no need for threads like these. Your thread is just as much spam as one that has only one line saying 'Where are my keyz?//?"


Yeah, I can totally relate to you there. Those guys on the Halo 3 forum are wayy worse than those on The Flood. Halo 3 is basically just filled with antsy 13-year-olds aching to get their hands on the Halo 3 Beta. The last "Beta Discussion" grew a page a minute. Just imagine what speculations they could come up with if they discussed the Kennedy Assassination.


These poor saps who go around with their terrible spelling and obsession over the Halo 3 Beta... what a nightmare; at least to those with such an inflated sense of self-importance that such reasoning seems entirely fair.

I'm sorry, but this forum is elitist; nevermind any other (which surely are at times). Nearly every time I come in here I am confronted with threads bemoaning the standards of those 'other' forum users. Poor grammar, immaturity, obsessive and irrational bouts of wild speculation... all conduct presumably far below the irreproachable standards of those 'sensible' forum-users, those 'rational' people and those 'who care about the community'. What shallow thinking this represents, and what a torrid display of contempt for those whom dare to express their thoughts (however basic they seem) without the need to instantly reach for a thesaurus.

These 'little kids' you speak of... they are indeed often rude and frustratingly daft in their conduct. They also clearly love Bungie with all of their little hearts… the thing is, they just haven't reached a stage wherein they can express their thoughts in ways not infused with super-human levels of anticipation and glee. In fact, ironically, it is their absolute love of Halo that so drives the more unfortunate outbursts of frustration too. In short, they are fans of Bungie... like you, like me, simply 'fans'.

Are we to believe that this is not enough? We should expect more of a fan? Proper spelling and perhaps a tendency towards more 'intellectual' pursuits such as discussing the implementation of objective measurements of how good a fan of Bungie one is. Do you see where this is going?

It takes a certain mindset indeed to preside judgementally over the habits of the slobs whilst decrying the ills of elitism.

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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: Chomskyite
These poor saps who go around with their terrible spelling and obsession over the Halo 3 Beta... what a nightmare; at least to those with such an inflated sense of self-importance that such reasoning seems entirely fair.

I'm sorry, but this forum is elitist; nevermind any other (which surely are at times). Nearly every time I come in here I am confronted with threads bemoaning the standards of those 'other' forum users. Poor grammar, immaturity, obsessive and irrational bouts of wild speculation... all conduct presumably far below the irreproachable standards of those 'sensible' forum-users, those 'rational' people and those 'who care about the community'. What shallow thinking this represents, and what a torrid display of contempt for those whom dare to express their thoughts (however basic they seem) without the need to instantly reach for a thesaurus.

These 'little kids' you speak of... they are indeed often rude and frustratingly daft in their conduct. They also clearly love Bungie with all of their little hearts… the thing is, they just haven't reached a stage wherein they can express their thoughts in ways not infused with super-human levels of anticipation and glee. In fact, ironically, it is their absolute love of Halo that so drives the more unfortunate outbursts of frustration too. In short, they are fans of Bungie... like you, like me, simply 'fans'.

Are we to believe that this is not enough? We should expect more of a fan? Proper spelling and perhaps a tendency towards more 'intellectual' pursuits such as discussing the implementation of objective measurements of how good a fan of Bungie one is. Do you see where this is going?

It takes a certain mindset indeed to preside judgementally over the habits of the slobs whilst decrying the ills of elitism.

Four legs good, two legs better right?

Chomsky, I <3 you.

EDIT: I felt like I should say more.

While, in my opinion, it is perfectly okay to poke fun at some of the more outrageous things that happen in these forums (that's part of the amusement of this site), it is absolutely unacceptable to act as though others shouldn't be here or as if there should be some kind of age limit on the b.net forums.

Chomsky put it better than I could have, but simply because the discussions here in the Septagon tend to gravitate more towards the intellectual does not make anybody who posts here more of a Bungie fan or more worthy. I love reading the posts here and responding to the oft-presented brain challenges, but I throw myself into the mix of speculation, fan fiction, theories, and gameplay suggestions in the Halo 3 forum with equal excitement.

I admonish anyone who believes that they are somehow more of a Bungie fan or -- God forbid -- a better person because they haughtily abstain from any forum where spell-checker is not a prerequisite to posting to remember Chomsky's words.

Poke fun, sure.... we b.net forum users tend to poke fun at everybody, including the kinds of posts that occur in the Septagon. But do not believe that you are better. This leads exactly to the type of arrogance that (as Chomsky has yet again already said) you presume to eschew.



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Posted by: Josher 35
It's all Flamechu's fault. And don't come visit this site expecting to find respectable intelligent people. Most of the persons who fancy visting this site are young. There's goes the maturity level and that's all she wrote.

That makes no sense considering we have already discussed the issue of how age effects maturity and I'm pretty sure we deemed that it doesn't affect it as much as think. Read all the other posts before you type something that we have already discussed.

So once you deem that something has been decided, the rest of the users on Bungie.net are no longer entitled to voice thier opinion?

While I disagree with this thread in general, I would agree that you are the type of person that its referencing.


Maybe you should read more carefully and not behind clouded eyes. I am refering to the fact that we had discussed that earlier and why bring it up again when we had already discussed it. The simple facts is that age has about 10% to do with maturity.
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Surely you got that statistic from a sociological or medical journal rather than simply making it up and unequivocally stating it as fact.



You're right, I did make that up. OMQ you got me. Actually, if I actually wanted to look it up, I'td probably be around that.

You see, maturity is a strange thing because it is measured in life expirences and deals with your surroundings. Which is more mature? A 25 year old guy, living in his mother's basement. Or an intelligent 14 year old kid who has a very high GPA? I'm telling you one thing. The number of each of those is pretty much the same. So what you will say is that they balance out, because you believe you are so smart. Now I would guess that intelligence would have to do more with maturity than anything eles. It's not that I am denying that age has nothing to do with it, because it does. But there are more important factors than age.

And I would also guess that the people that think age has everything to do with it are either college/high school dropouts. Or those guys, who are have a job that has something to do with the internet , who have formed a bad opinion and based on a bias decision.

My guess is the latter.


What if the 25 year old lives with his mother because she's terminally ill and he takes care of her?
What if the 14 year old is a savant who can do advanced calculus in his head, but has trouble tying his own shoes?

You're making gross generalizations and stating them as fact. Something that, some would say, an intelligent person wouldn't do.
You said there were more important factors than age. I agree, but you managed to overlook all of them.
You're speculating about something for which there is no logical precedent.

  • 03.28.2007 1:27 PM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

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Posted by: Josher 35
It's all Flamechu's fault. And don't come visit this site expecting to find respectable intelligent people. Most of the persons who fancy visting this site are young. There's goes the maturity level and that's all she wrote.

That makes no sense considering we have already discussed the issue of how age effects maturity and I'm pretty sure we deemed that it doesn't affect it as much as think. Read all the other posts before you type something that we have already discussed.

So once you deem that something has been decided, the rest of the users on Bungie.net are no longer entitled to voice thier opinion?

While I disagree with this thread in general, I would agree that you are the type of person that its referencing.


Maybe you should read more carefully and not behind clouded eyes. I am refering to the fact that we had discussed that earlier and why bring it up again when we had already discussed it.


My apologies if I misread your statement. After re-reading it, I still come to the same conclusion, so my apologies in advance this time. It still comes across as you belittling another user for thier opinion on an issue becaue you had already discussed it and decided that you were in fact correct, and that the rest of Bungie.net should therefor concede that what was said is scientific fact.

There are people accessing the site from all over the world at any given time. Maybe Josher had to work a late shift and wasn't available for your discussion on maturity level vs. age. There are many reason why he could have brought it up. Something being discussed on page one of a thread does not mean that someone can't contribute thier opinion on the page ten.

Posted by: Kasai
The simple facts is that age has about 10% to do with maturity.


Sorry, Im impatient and skipped ahead in this thread and found out 10% is a random statistic. I will agree that age is not the only determining factor when measuring maturity, but I'm willing to bet vital organs that there is direct coorelation between age and maturity level.


Posted by: Kasai
Plus, I wasn't even talking about you in the first place so I believe that you are the one of those people that that is refering considering I said not one word about you, but you felt the need to jump in.


I missed the part of the Terms of Use and Code of Conduct that say I must be referred to by name before I can participate in a thread on a public forum. Sorry.

  • 03.28.2007 1:49 PM PDT

Music is power.

Lemme just say that this thread is starting to deteriorate into flaming itself. Can we all keep our cool? Maybe this thread should be closed now.

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Some people do have bad attitudes, but hey, what can you really do about it? Just hope the mods get on their feet and do something about it.

  • 03.28.2007 2:04 PM PDT

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Some people do have bad attitudes, but hey, what can you really do about it? Just hope the mods get on their feet and do something about it.


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  • 03.28.2007 2:07 PM PDT

Posted by: Chomskyite

These poor saps who go around with their terrible spelling and obsession over the Halo 3 Beta... what a nightmare; at least to those with such an inflated sense of self-importance that such reasoning seems entirely fair.

I'm sorry, but this forum is elitist; nevermind any other (which surely are at times). Nearly every time I come in here I am confronted with threads bemoaning the standards of those 'other' forum users. Poor grammar, immaturity, obsessive and irrational bouts of wild speculation... all conduct presumably far below the irreproachable standards of those 'sensible' forum-users, those 'rational' people and those 'who care about the community'. What shallow thinking this represents, and what a torrid display of contempt for those whom dare to express their thoughts (however basic they seem) without the need to instantly reach for a thesaurus.

These 'little kids' you speak of... they are indeed often rude and frustratingly daft in their conduct. They also clearly love Bungie with all of their little hearts… the thing is, they just haven't reached a stage wherein they can express their thoughts in ways not infused with super-human levels of anticipation and glee. In fact, ironically, it is their absolute love of Halo that so drives the more unfortunate outbursts of frustration too. In short, they are fans of Bungie... like you, like me, simply 'fans'.

Are we to believe that this is not enough? We should expect more of a fan? Proper spelling and perhaps a tendency towards more 'intellectual' pursuits such as discussing the implementation of objective measurements of how good a fan of Bungie one is. Do you see where this is going?

It takes a certain mindset indeed to preside judgementally over the habits of the slobs whilst decrying the ills of elitism.

Four legs good, two legs better right?


While this is a very well thought out and lucid post Chomskyite, I think you're misunderstanding the thread creators point. He's not talking about the over enthusiastic 14 year old who means well but comes across with poor grammatical skills. He's talking about people on B.net who flame and attack other members, especially in the Flood. A general attitude and conduct of acerbic behavior that is tolerated in the Flood.

I don't think any of us think poorly of the youth of this forum when they're genuinely excited and exuberant about Halo and/or Bungie in general. It's the people who flame and act like asses that this thread is about.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: atomic weggie
While this is a very well thought out and lucid post Chomskyite, I think you're misunderstanding the thread creators point. He's not talking about the over enthusiastic 14 year old who means well but comes across with poor grammatical skills. He's talking about people on B.net who flame and attack other members, especially in the Flood. A general attitude and conduct of acerbic behavior that is tolerated in the Flood.

I don't think any of us think poorly of the youth of this forum when they're genuinely excited and exuberant about Halo and/or Bungie in general. It's the people who flame and act like asses that this thread is about.


Chomsky wasn't responding to the original post. Look at his post and look at who and what he was responding to. You'll see that his post was a direct response and quite apropos.

  • 03.28.2007 2:47 PM PDT

Fight hard, break bones >{o

this thread is a good example of the subject.

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
I love reading the posts here and responding to the oft-presented brain challenges, but I throw myself into the mix of speculation, fan fiction, theories, and gameplay suggestions in the Halo 3 forum with equal excitement.

Poke fun, sure.... we b.net forum users tend to poke fun at everybody, including the kinds of posts that occur in the Septagon. But do not believe that you are better.


Thankyou x Foman123 x... I'm glad I made some sense for a change and happy you think in a similar way about things.

Generally, at least in my view, it pays to remember the 'we' before talk about community can begin in any serious way. This means acknowledging and always trying to remember that, not matter how strange it seems, there is much common ground in this place.

A community that consistently checks itself on that matter is one that is surely worth contributing to. In fact, if people believe, as I do, that a good community is one that empowers its members then it should surely be the process of sharing and interacting that, of its own accord, provides the most cherished value; and certainly not a preoccupation with divisions and regulation; which would seem to be something of an antithesis.

That is not to belittle important talk over how one achieves balance and deals with obvious tomfoolery and mayhem. What I am concerned with here, as an interested visitor, is the degree of emphasis given to 'them' and 'us' throughout the forums. From where I'm stood, it's disproportionate to the amount of talk about 'all of us'.... and our common interests. After all, that is the basis for this 'community'... is not not?


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It's true, most people do suck. But you can't let that get to you... it's all a part of growing up and being British.


The Ischabittle? From the Illinois Ischabittles?


I hate Illinois Ischabittles.


Alright, that tears it! *kid gloves come off*

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Posted by: shiv master
Posted by: Kasai
Posted by: shiv master
Posted by: Kasai
Posted by: twinkiemaker
Posted by: Kasai
Posted by: Josher 35
It's all Flamechu's fault. And don't come visit this site expecting to find respectable intelligent people. Most of the persons who fancy visting this site are young. There's goes the maturity level and that's all she wrote.

That makes no sense considering we have already discussed the issue of how age effects maturity and I'm pretty sure we deemed that it doesn't affect it as much as think. Read all the other posts before you type something that we have already discussed.

So once you deem that something has been decided, the rest of the users on Bungie.net are no longer entitled to voice thier opinion?

While I disagree with this thread in general, I would agree that you are the type of person that its referencing.


Maybe you should read more carefully and not behind clouded eyes. I am refering to the fact that we had discussed that earlier and why bring it up again when we had already discussed it. The simple facts is that age has about 10% to do with maturity.
.


Surely you got that statistic from a sociological or medical journal rather than simply making it up and unequivocally stating it as fact.



You're right, I did make that up. OMQ you got me. Actually, if I actually wanted to look it up, I'td probably be around that.

You see, maturity is a strange thing because it is measured in life expirences and deals with your surroundings. Which is more mature? A 25 year old guy, living in his mother's basement. Or an intelligent 14 year old kid who has a very high GPA? I'm telling you one thing. The number of each of those is pretty much the same. So what you will say is that they balance out, because you believe you are so smart. Now I would guess that intelligence would have to do more with maturity than anything eles. It's not that I am denying that age has nothing to do with it, because it does. But there are more important factors than age.

And I would also guess that the people that think age has everything to do with it are either college/high school dropouts. Or those guys, who are have a job that has something to do with the internet , who have formed a bad opinion and based on a bias decision.

My guess is the latter.


What if the 25 year old lives with his mother because she's terminally ill and he takes care of her?
What if the 14 year old is a savant who can do advanced calculus in his head, but has trouble tying his own shoes?

You're making gross generalizations and stating them as fact. Something that, some would say, an intelligent person wouldn't do.
You said there were more important factors than age. I agree, but you managed to overlook all of them.
You're speculating about something for which there is no logical precedent.


And you are giving me what ifs, which is low. Contradicting much?

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Posted by: shiv master
Posted by: atomic weggie
Posted by: Ishcabittle
It's true, most people do suck. But you can't let that get to you... it's all a part of growing up and being British.


The Ischabittle? From the Illinois Ischabittles?


I hate Illinois Ischabittles.


Alright, that tears it! *kid gloves come off*


Alight! *pants come off*

Let's do this.

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Tact is for those who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

No use cryin' over Spillt Milk

Posted by: Kasai
Posted by: shiv master
Posted by: Kasai
Posted by: shiv master
Posted by: Kasai
Posted by: twinkiemaker
Posted by: Kasai
Posted by: Josher 35
It's all Flamechu's fault. And don't come visit this site expecting to find respectable intelligent people. Most of the persons who fancy visting this site are young. There's goes the maturity level and that's all she wrote.

That makes no sense considering we have already discussed the issue of how age effects maturity and I'm pretty sure we deemed that it doesn't affect it as much as think. Read all the other posts before you type something that we have already discussed.

So once you deem that something has been decided, the rest of the users on Bungie.net are no longer entitled to voice thier opinion?

While I disagree with this thread in general, I would agree that you are the type of person that its referencing.


Maybe you should read more carefully and not behind clouded eyes. I am refering to the fact that we had discussed that earlier and why bring it up again when we had already discussed it. The simple facts is that age has about 10% to do with maturity.
.


Surely you got that statistic from a sociological or medical journal rather than simply making it up and unequivocally stating it as fact.



You're right, I did make that up. OMQ you got me. Actually, if I actually wanted to look it up, I'td probably be around that.

You see, maturity is a strange thing because it is measured in life expirences and deals with your surroundings. Which is more mature? A 25 year old guy, living in his mother's basement. Or an intelligent 14 year old kid who has a very high GPA? I'm telling you one thing. The number of each of those is pretty much the same. So what you will say is that they balance out, because you believe you are so smart. Now I would guess that intelligence would have to do more with maturity than anything eles. It's not that I am denying that age has nothing to do with it, because it does. But there are more important factors than age.

And I would also guess that the people that think age has everything to do with it are either college/high school dropouts. Or those guys, who are have a job that has something to do with the internet , who have formed a bad opinion and based on a bias decision.

My guess is the latter.


What if the 25 year old lives with his mother because she's terminally ill and he takes care of her?
What if the 14 year old is a savant who can do advanced calculus in his head, but has trouble tying his own shoes?

You're making gross generalizations and stating them as fact. Something that, some would say, an intelligent person wouldn't do.
You said there were more important factors than age. I agree, but you managed to overlook all of them.
You're speculating about something for which there is no logical precedent.


And you are giving me what ifs, which is low. Contradicting much?


You also gave hypothetical scenarios, my friend.
Perhaps you should read up on exactly what 'contradicting' means.

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  • 03.28.2007 3:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ishcabittle
Posted by: shiv master
Posted by: atomic weggie
Posted by: Ishcabittle
It's true, most people do suck. But you can't let that get to you... it's all a part of growing up and being British.


The Ischabittle? From the Illinois Ischabittles?


I hate Illinois Ischabittles.


Alright, that tears it! *kid gloves come off*


Alight! *pants come off*

Let's do this.


I'd love to watch this rumble, as long as there's nothing... erm... below the belt. Never mind. I think I'm gonna go hang out in the Classifieds for a while...

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I know exactly what you mean.....its also a problem when a good thread gets spammed and flamed.......

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Yeah. This topic is called, "The attitude of some people on this forum is disgusting". Look at you guys. Flamming and fighting each other. I hang around The Septagon because it is probably the forum with the best discussions and the most sarcasm.

The solution is simple. If you don't like a particular forum, stay off of it.

  • 03.28.2007 4:57 PM PDT

*Sgt

If we're still talking about the Flood and its pretentious inhabitants, I have to agree. Its become such a clique, and its really pissing me off. But hey, what can I do about it? I'll just have to wait until the groups are back up :p

  • 03.28.2007 5:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shishka
Everything will be gone long before me. When the first living thing was born, I was here, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job is finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave.

Well, most of the older, more "intelligent" members are all in the groups, so the regular members and flamers don't have people to set examples for them. Then, if one person flames, everyone else hops on the bandwagon and flames the topic creater (or whatever). It'd only take a few people to totally turn a thread around-if they join in on the thread early enough. Then the original flammer feels like what he did was right and does it again.
The person who got flammed may have been a good poster, but because of this, he/she won't post again (at least in the public forums) for fear of being flamed. After a while most of the "good" people are all hidden away and the flammers rule the forum.

That's what happened to the Flood, or so I believe. And partially with the Underground. It may be too late to "take back" the forum from the flammers, but if people start setting examples for the newcommers to B.net, they'll end up being a decent person instead of seeing all the flamming and thinking it's ok.

I'm not blamming the hiders or anything, I'm just saying people should start to be leaders, not followers.

  • 03.28.2007 5:20 PM PDT

I agree code zero, the attitude of alot of people on this sight is a negative influence on the community. Though it will be hard to stop, especially in the flood because of all the topics.

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OMG you just now realized how bad these forums are???

NO WAI!!!!!!!

  • 03.28.2007 6:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shishka
Everything will be gone long before me. When the first living thing was born, I was here, waiting. When the last living thing dies, my job is finished. I'll put the chairs on the tables, turn out the lights and lock the universe behind me when I leave.

Posted by: QsK SavaGe v2
OMG you just now realized how bad these forums are???

NO WAI!!!!!!!

No, I'm sure we all have known how bad they are, but he just made a thread about it.

  • 03.28.2007 6:31 PM PDT

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これを読むことが出来ますか。

I still don't know what's worse, the topics in The Flood, or all the flaming and bad attitudes in the Halo 3 Forum. It's like I have to defend myself every comment I make or idea I post. I understand that sometimes sentences and meanings can get construed over the internet, but it gets out of control sometimes. I think the problem is that everyone takes things too personally, even if the comment isn't directed directly to them.

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