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Subject: Add a 800x600 forum layout... Please

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Posted by: Cockburnicus
You missed the point like Vader missed the banshee, your whole argument is covered in bees.
Stop sending me group invites -blam!-s!

After hearing some people complain about the new forum layout by saying it is 'too stretched' I propose that Achronos adds an option for those using a 800x600 resolution to re-size the forums so that they fit accordingly.

Another reason i am starting this is because Achronos told me that the 'demographic' shows that most members use a higher resolution anyway. As far as I know there was no demographic survey so either bungie is collecting information from our computers illegally or he was just straight out lying (the latter seems more plausible.) I'm not out to get Achronos, he did a great job at the site but it just seems a bit strange that so many people dislike it. I'm not requesting a whole overhaul of the site, just an option so that everyone is happy.

If not many people sign this then your point will be taken and I'll stop going on about it.

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P.S. I know the information collecting thing i said was far fetched and it is definitely not true. I was just going from one extreme to the other.

and if you want proof that Achronos did say that it was in the demographic, here is the PM.

Posted by: Achronos
You mean width. The site used to be designed for 800x600. We changed it to 1024x768 given the general demographics of our users.

Posted by: muffin man one
Is there a plan to change (or at least provide the option for) the forum lengths? I use 600x800 resolution and it makes navigating the forums a pain. So will it change?


[Edited on 03.27.2007 4:33 PM PDT]

  • 03.27.2007 4:26 PM PDT
Subject: A petition to add a 800x600 forum layout.

Frank O'Connor is a 12-year veteran of the videogame magazine industry and has therefore never worked an honest day in his life.

Personally it fits my new monitors perfectly and looks great. leave it the way it is. and BTW we do have polls for a reason.

  • 03.27.2007 4:27 PM PDT

You cant start petitions, its against the rules.

  • 03.27.2007 4:27 PM PDT
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No petitions. :S

  • 03.27.2007 4:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cockburnicus
You missed the point like Vader missed the banshee, your whole argument is covered in bees.
Stop sending me group invites -blam!-s!

Posted by: the art of halo2
You cant start petitions, its against the rules.


Damn i guess i wasted my time then.

and I said that there should be an 'option' so that everyone can have the right fitting size.

  • 03.27.2007 4:32 PM PDT

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I work for the Department of Defense.

lol... Illegally collecting information from our computers while willingly signed on, logged in and viewing HIS web site? Your a fool if you think thats illegal.

Anyways. I thought the only people who ran 800x600 were old people... I don't see how its possible to view anything like that.

  • 03.27.2007 4:33 PM PDT

"I pledge to punch all switches, to never shoot where I could use grenades, to admit the existence of no level except Total Carnage, to never use caps lock as my "run" key, and to never, ever, leave a single BoB alive."

2B || !2B - Why don't you look Inside the Machine?

I'm sure that you can get that sort of information by looking at your web statistics. I have several friends with registered domains who can go into what OS the client is running to other random pieces of information. The best thing to do is either get a new monitor or get a new Video Card. Monitors and Video Cards are relatively cheap at Newegg.com. That is the best solution I see so far.

  • 03.27.2007 4:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cockburnicus
You missed the point like Vader missed the banshee, your whole argument is covered in bees.
Stop sending me group invites -blam!-s!

Posted by: Darkm0d
lol... Illegally collecting information from our computers while willingly signed on, logged in and viewing HIS web site? Your a fool if you think thats illegal.

Anyways. I thought the only people who ran 800x600 were old people... I don't see how its possible to view anything like that.


Also the disabled. Wow you are an inconsiderate.. person. What was wrong with the old layout anyway?

And if you read the whole post you know I said that isn't even a possibility just a far fetched conspiracy. Oh and by the way it is not 'his' site sure he runs it and designed it but it belong s to Bungie Inc.

EDIT: At least Valve ask you before they collect the smallest information. Most websites privacy policy promise to not view any information without the users discretion. anyway I'm off to bed.

[Edited on 03.27.2007 4:39 PM PDT]

  • 03.27.2007 4:37 PM PDT

"I pledge to punch all switches, to never shoot where I could use grenades, to admit the existence of no level except Total Carnage, to never use caps lock as my "run" key, and to never, ever, leave a single BoB alive."

2B || !2B - Why don't you look Inside the Machine?

Well Achronos is just a single man, The Web Team is plural. Others had a-lot to do with this site...Achronos just represents the foremost figure head of the web development team and management (I suppose). I do know one thing, he drops the hammer where needed.

  • 03.27.2007 4:38 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

You should look up the word "demographics". It isn't based on scanning your computer, it is based on knowing your browser, your operating system, and the fact that our general audience are gamers, which skews to more recent technology.

And even if I was collecting information - you already said I could when you agreed to the Terms of Use. The privacy statement also governs that such data is not shared. Really, if you think we didn't tell you about it already, you didn't read very well. They aren't just for show.

Finally, most sites with lots of editorial content generally use 1024x768 as a minimum resolution. The 800x600 was very limiting. I'm sorry, but the new width is not changing. We may end up moving the buttons a bit so you can hit them without scrolling, but only if it doesn't make the design suck. 800x600 is not exactly out of the range of most computers or even old monitors, especially for a desktop resolution.

[Edited on 03.27.2007 4:44 PM PDT]

  • 03.27.2007 4:41 PM PDT

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I work for the Department of Defense.

Well, personally "Overlord" or Achronos IS the owner in most part of these forums. I do believe its in his power to completely de-activate bungie.net, so therefore its his property.

Posted by: Achronos

And even if I was collecting information - you already said I could when you agreed to the Terms of Use. The privacy statement also governs that such data is not shared. Really, if you think we didn't tell you about it already, you didn't read very well. They aren't just for show.


* Thats precisely what i was referring to.

[Edited on 03.27.2007 4:53 PM PDT]

  • 03.27.2007 4:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cockburnicus
You missed the point like Vader missed the banshee, your whole argument is covered in bees.
Stop sending me group invites -blam!-s!

Well when you put it that way I can see your reasoning and I didn't mean to rattle any cages as it were. I just have heard the complaints and thought "Why not?" and I'm sure you can understand my point of view when the old layout was much easier to use. However I am glad that you are thinking of making adjustments so that it is easier to navigate. (although my gripe was with not knowing who made the post without having to scroll back and forth.) As far as the issue is concerned I am happy to stand down from my podium of sorts.

Oh, and I am sorry I missunderstood 'demographics'

Posted by: Achronos
You should look up the word "demographics". It isn't based on scanning your computer, it is based on knowing your browser, your operating system, and the fact that our general audience are gamers, which skews to more recent technology.

And even if I was collecting information - you already said I could when you agreed to the Terms of Use.

Finally, most sites with lots of editorial content generally use 1024x768 as a minimum resolution. The 800x600 was very limiting. I'm sorry, but the new width is not changing. We may end up moving the buttons a bit so you can hit them without scrolling, but only if it doesn't make the design suck. 800x600 is not exactly out of the range of most computers or even old monitors, especially for a desktop resolution.


[Edited on 03.27.2007 4:53 PM PDT]

  • 03.27.2007 4:51 PM PDT

"I pledge to punch all switches, to never shoot where I could use grenades, to admit the existence of no level except Total Carnage, to never use caps lock as my "run" key, and to never, ever, leave a single BoB alive."

2B || !2B - Why don't you look Inside the Machine?

I just tested out the new layout on 800x600 and I have to say it isn't that much of an inconvenience. I would recommend just centering the page using the bottom scroll bar. Sure it sucks having to use a low resolution, but be grateful that you have the ability to view Bungie.net.

  • 03.27.2007 4:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: muffin man one
Well when you put it that way I can see your reasoning and I didn't mean to rattle any cages as it were. I just have heard the complaints and thought "Why not?" and I'm sure you can understand my point of view when the old layout was much easier to use. However I am glad that you are thinking of making adjustments so that it is easier to navigate. (although my gripe was with not knowing who made the post without having to scroll back and forth.) As far as the issue is concerned I am happy to stand down from my podium of sorts.

Oh, and I am sorry I missunderstood 'demographics'

Yeah, unfortunately when you're designing a website, you need to make a compromise and pick a size that will fit in the lowest resolution that you think your visitors will have. There's always going to be some users that will be "left out", but it's just a design choice that needs to be made. Really simple sites that just need to show text can be design with a "liquid" layout where the text will reflow dynamically according to the size of the window (i.e. no horizontal scroll). But sites like Bungie.net that require many menus and sections with detailed and specific functions, are nearly impossible to make liquid.

As far as the demographics go, it's nothing personal we're talking about. Through javascript and other languages, there are simple methods for determining what browser and OS a visitor is using, what their screen size is, etc. Any website that is half as big as Bungie.net will use a system to keep track of these things over time (All the websites I make have it, and they don't get anywhere near the traffic that Bungie does). These things are generally not connected to any personally identifiable data (i.e. They might know that 320 unique visitors to the site were using Firefox 2, but they won't have any idea what their name, IP address, etc is). This info is collected for one reason: To make the site work the best for as many visitors as possible.

Screen resolution isn't the only thing that needs to be taken into consideration when designing a website, either. Different browser treat the same HTML, CSS, and JavaScript in different ways. So those things are recorded also, again, in an effort to determine what is required to make the site nice for the vast majority of visitors. Believe me, it's every web developers' dream to have their web reports show that only 10 out of a total of 10,000 users visited the website with IE6 and a resolution of 800x600 last month... :)

  • 03.27.2007 6:45 PM PDT

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According to this poll conducted some time ago, about 87% of Bungie.net users use screen resolutions of 1024x768 or above. Why should the majority have to put up with a small site just because the minority says so?

[Edited on 03.27.2007 7:10 PM PDT]

  • 03.27.2007 7:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: Darkm0d
lol... Illegally collecting information from our computers while willingly signed on, logged in and viewing HIS web site? Your a fool if you think thats illegal.

Anyways. I thought the only people who ran 800x600 were old people... I don't see how its possible to view anything like that.

I do. It works fine for most sites, I'm used to it, and It's difficult to read the text because IE refuses to let me increase text size.

  • 03.27.2007 7:18 PM PDT

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Personally i like thew new layout. It beats the "black hole" that we used to have on the right side.

But i also understand how for some people that the wide forum layout could be very annoying.

So If its possible to have an option or either size, i think that it would be a great idea to add.

  • 03.27.2007 7:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ghandi 2
It's difficult to read the text because IE refuses to let me increase text size.


ever thought of upgrading to Firefox? ;-) If you did, a little CTRL with a dash of mouse wheel is a recipe for text enlargement.

  • 03.28.2007 1:51 AM PDT

Posted by: necare
Posted by: Ghandi 2
It's difficult to read the text because IE refuses to let me increase text size.


ever thought of upgrading to Firefox? ;-) If you did, a little CTRL with a dash of mouse wheel is a recipe for text enlargement.

IE does that..... mine does anyway.

I don't care about 800x600 but I don't like the way the text starts halfway across the page. It makes it impossible to fit it in a reduced window size which I always use.

  • 03.28.2007 2:56 AM PDT

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We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
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I liken this request to someone asking Bungie to make Halo 3 compatible with the original xbox.

  • 03.28.2007 6:34 AM PDT

I work here: Sound Devices, LLC. We make bad-ass field audio gear, and you think that's awesome. My messy desk (With work-related items on the computer screen).

One does not simply grenade jump into Mordor...

Posted by: twinkiemaker
I liken this request to someone asking Bungie to make Halo 3 compatible with the original xbox.

It might not be that hard to accomplish, but it's close. The people who really want to see a redesign that will make the whole site fit in 800x600 probably shouldn't hold their breath...

  • 03.28.2007 7:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cockburnicus
You missed the point like Vader missed the banshee, your whole argument is covered in bees.
Stop sending me group invites -blam!-s!

While I think the topic is at an end and there really isn't any need for further discussion, I would just like to follow up on some points. The person who said Bungie.net doesn't record IP addresses is wrong. All websites have a log for every person who visited that site, Achronos himself said in another thread that no one is ever anonymous.

Also twinklemaker this is in no way the same as an argument to make halo 3 on the original xbox. Just had to say that because those people really get on my nerves.

Anyway [/lock thread]

  • 03.28.2007 8:19 AM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

Posted by: muffin man one
Also twinklemaker this is in no way the same as an argument to make halo 3 on the original xbox. Just had to say that because those people really get on my nerves.


Its not the same thing, but I was going for the "making new things available for near-obsolete technology" angle. Don't take it personally, it was just my take on it.

Editted for atrocious grammar.

[Edited on 03.28.2007 9:01 AM PDT]

  • 03.28.2007 9:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Ghandi 2
I do. It works fine for most sites, I'm used to it, and It's difficult to read the text because IE refuses to let me increase text size.


Have you tried going to "View" and "Text Size" and then "Largest?"

  • 03.28.2007 10:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: littlerat
According to this poll conducted some time ago, about 87% of Bungie.net users use screen resolutions of 1024x768 or above. Why should the majority have to put up with a small site just because the minority says so?


harsh, but true.. Maybe we should do another poll like that to get some results from the present.

[Edited on 03.28.2007 11:19 AM PDT]

  • 03.28.2007 11:19 AM PDT

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