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Posted by: M3 Roki7
Posted by: Achronos
Why do people care so much about what others think

I know this is not the entirety of your post Achronos, but I must applaud you for this. This is the one thing that I live by, the one thing that I think everyone should realize.

Posted by: shiv master
Posted by: M3 Roki7
The thread you speak of, it does not matter what the community as a whole thinks, it is what you think. It does not matter that someone calls you a "Slut" under their breath, it is how you perceive it. My point being, that the community can only be "brutal" if you perceive it as such. Now, if you perceive it as a wonderfully happy place with pixie dust and unicorns, then the community will be as such.


Perception is reality?
In this case, false.

I did not say that, yes I did imply it, but I never said that directly. I must address one point you made with this small bit. I know this is not your full post shiv, but this is what stands out to me. Why exactly is it false? It may be false to you, but to me it is quite true. Yes, the community does have it's problems, but whose to say one cannot look past the bad and focus on the good? Perception is reality, yes. In my opinion anyway; why you ask? Because how you view things is exactly how you will react. I shall give an example:

Person A: Cookies or Pie?
Person B: Pie
Person A: Well, I like Cookies so STFU!
Person B: Pie FTW!!
Person A: Cookies FTW!! STFU Noob!
Person C: Both
Person A: You can't do that! You must choose one.

Now, many of you may be viewing this as a spammer/flamer type of ordeal, well, I ask you, look past all of that. Everyone keeps thinking so complex it sickens me. This small conversation can be taken many ways. One being the bare bones of the conversation. A pure flamer, flaming others for not agreeing with them. However, alter your perception and you will see something different. This being an argument between two people. Then a third intervenes to settle the problem. Thus saying both, instead of one. I admit, this is not the greatest example in the world. But it does get the point across. So, in my opinion, perception is reality. How you react, is how you view a situation.


What you're advocating isn't turning a frown upside down, it's a deluded point of view . That can be dangerous.
As you were kind enough to set the stage with that stirring example, allow me to try.

Bank Teller1: Cal I help you, sir?
Bank Robber: Don't move assbag. I'll shoot you if you move!
Bank Teller2: (to himself) Surely he didn't mean me too.
Bank Teller2: (walks away)
Bank Robber: *shoots teller 2*
Bank Teller2: *dies*
Bank Teller1: *stares*
Bank Robber: I thought it went without saying that I meant him too.

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Posted by: shiv master
Posted by: M3 Roki7
Posted by: Achronos
Why do people care so much about what others think

I know this is not the entirety of your post Achronos, but I must applaud you for this. This is the one thing that I live by, the one thing that I think everyone should realize.

Posted by: shiv master
Posted by: M3 Roki7
The thread you speak of, it does not matter what the community as a whole thinks, it is what you think. It does not matter that someone calls you a "Slut" under their breath, it is how you perceive it. My point being, that the community can only be "brutal" if you perceive it as such. Now, if you perceive it as a wonderfully happy place with pixie dust and unicorns, then the community will be as such.


Perception is reality?
In this case, false.

I did not say that, yes I did imply it, but I never said that directly. I must address one point you made with this small bit. I know this is not your full post shiv, but this is what stands out to me. Why exactly is it false? It may be false to you, but to me it is quite true. Yes, the community does have it's problems, but whose to say one cannot look past the bad and focus on the good? Perception is reality, yes. In my opinion anyway; why you ask? Because how you view things is exactly how you will react. I shall give an example:

Person A: Cookies or Pie?
Person B: Pie
Person A: Well, I like Cookies so STFU!
Person B: Pie FTW!!
Person A: Cookies FTW!! STFU Noob!
Person C: Both
Person A: You can't do that! You must choose one.

Now, many of you may be viewing this as a spammer/flamer type of ordeal, well, I ask you, look past all of that. Everyone keeps thinking so complex it sickens me. This small conversation can be taken many ways. One being the bare bones of the conversation. A pure flamer, flaming others for not agreeing with them. However, alter your perception and you will see something different. This being an argument between two people. Then a third intervenes to settle the problem. Thus saying both, instead of one. I admit, this is not the greatest example in the world. But it does get the point across. So, in my opinion, perception is reality. How you react, is how you view a situation.


What you're advocating isn't turning a frown upside down, it's a deluded point of view . That can be dangerous.
As you were kind enough to set the stage with that stirring example, allow me to try.

Bank Teller1: Cal I help you, sir?
Bank Robber: Don't move assbag. I'll shoot you if you move!
Bank Teller2: (to himself) Surely he didn't mean me too.
Bank Teller2: (walks away)
Bank Robber: *shoots teller 2*
Bank Teller2: *dies*
Bank Teller1: *stares*
Bank Robber: I thought it went without saying that I meant him too.

So what your saying is the community watches as someone gets spammed/flamed, etc.?

I'm not sure what you mean.

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Posted by: shiv master
What you're advocating isn't turning a frown upside down, it's a deluded point of view . That can be dangerous.
As you were kind enough to set the stage with that stirring example, allow me to try.

Bank Teller1: Cal I help you, sir?
Bank Robber: Don't move assbag. I'll shoot you if you move!
Bank Teller2: (to himself) Surely he didn't mean me too.
Bank Teller2: (walks away)
Bank Robber: *shoots teller 2*
Bank Teller2: *dies*
Bank Teller1: *stares*
Bank Robber: I thought it went without saying that I meant him too.

I never directly said that it would be turning a frown upside down shiv. I am just saying that the way you perceive things directly effect how you will react to a certain situation. That is my only point, you are correct in that it isn't the only variable, but it is a key one.

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Matt, if you don't like what people say to you about being a cop, then why must you continue to do what these people HATE? Although (IMO) you would be quite the mod material, the hard truth is...you're not one.


Again, I don't care if people judge me, I care if they act condescending about it, or elitist.

I appreciate your opinion that I would make a good moderator, but the truth is, I have no desire to be one, nor would I make a good one. I correct people because it's what I do, it's who I am. Not because I want to become a moderator. If someone makes a mistake, it's my natural instinct to correct them, it's just who I am.

The people that don't like you, only hate you for the sole reason of "posing", so to speak, as a moderator.

That's not how it's intended. This is a matter of perception. If I were truly acting like a moderator, I'd say something like "I'm going to blacklist you!". When I correct someone, I do it for their best interest. I know most people would rather believe that Bungie made Half Life than believe that I do it for their own well being, but it's the truth, like it or not.

That's the reason that I don't report little things like wrong threads to moderators, because I don't think the situation calls for a moderator. It's the equivalent of calling the SWAT team out for petty theft, there's no need. I think reporting it to a moderator is unfair to the person, especially since they just made a mistake.

However, if someone is deserving of a moderator's action, I will report them.

You think you're a higher authority on this site

That is a large misconception. I don't think I'm a higher authority, and I know I'm not. Again, I correct people for their own well being.

  • 04.03.2007 8:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: M3 Roki7
Posted by: shiv master
What you're advocating isn't turning a frown upside down, it's a deluded point of view . That can be dangerous.
As you were kind enough to set the stage with that stirring example, allow me to try.

Bank Teller1: Cal I help you, sir?
Bank Robber: Don't move assbag. I'll shoot you if you move!
Bank Teller2: (to himself) Surely he didn't mean me too.
Bank Teller2: (walks away)
Bank Robber: *shoots teller 2*
Bank Teller2: *dies*
Bank Teller1: *stares*
Bank Robber: I thought it went without saying that I meant him too.

I never directly said that it would be turning a frown upside down shiv. I am just saying that the way you perceive things directly effect how you will react to a certain situation. That is my only point, you are correct in that it isn't the only variable, but it is a key one.


Yes...the purpose of simile and metaphor is to say something without saying it directly...to imply.
If you want to talk in circles some more I can wait. Let me know when you're ready to actually have a discussion.

Perceiving "assbag!" not to be an insult, and simply having the self control to not be offended by it are quite different things.
By clear implication you advocate the first, which as I said, is deluded.
You can tell yourself that the sky is chartreuse until you actually believe it, but that doesn't make it true.

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Posted by: shiv master
Perceiving "assbag!" not to be an insult, and simply having the self control to not be offended by it are quite different things.
By clear implication you advocate the first, which as I said, is deluded.
You can tell yourself that the sky is chartreuse until you actually believe it, but that doesn't make it true.


Well put.

  • 04.03.2007 8:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Hmmm...there is one topic that gets discussed on the forums that gets me every time. It is the bane of my existence, and pretty much anyone starts a thread about it, I will probably be in there posting. If any of you know me, you can probably guess what the topic is. Well, I have had that argument probably 100 times on these forums, and 99% of the time I am in the minority with respect to the topic. I've been flamed, been called about every name you could imagine, and yet I still continue to post my opinion even though I know it will get me flamed. Why would I subject myself to that? Well, because I feel that my opinion should be heard, and that I'm more than willing to stand up to the majority and speak out against it. There have been times where people have come along and said that they completely agree with my opinion, and there have been times where people think I'm the dumbest person on earth. You have to take the good and the bad, appreciate the good and shrug off the bad. Do I look to the forums to reaffirm my ideas? No, that would be dumb. I know why I like things, or why I think certain things shouldn't be allowed, and that's good enough for me. Chances are if you are facing someone who is willing to put their opinions on a forum, they are going to be less likely to change their opinions based upon the input of others. Seriously, when is the last time you saw someone post, "Wow, that's right and I was wrong, I don't know what I thought to the contrary!" I'm going to guess not very often.

Now, there is one thing that you pointed out that I do agree with. Some of the people that are regulars of these forums seem to be acting a little more hostile towards pretty much everyone right now. I don't know if they've always seemed to have an attitude and I haven't noticed it, or if it is more of a recent development. But, I'll say this, I really think people need to calm down some on this site because they are allowing themselves to get all worked up waiting for the new maps and the Beta to release. Being pricks on the forums are going to make either arrive any sooner. But, I will suggest this, start doing what I have been recently and saving copies of posts made by people that you feel are counterproductive to the "community spirit" and if you start to notice a bigger pattern, send what you got to a mod and let them take a look. The mods look at a lot of members each day, and it might be hard for them to keep track of some trends. But if you can prove that a person is being an ass-clown by their own words, I don't see how they could possibly be upset with you; they said it.

Oh, and I've been called a "forum-cop" exactly 29 (**Thanks Shiv) times since I've been on B.net, so you might as well get used to it (and yes, I do keep track)

~B.B.

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Hmmm...there is one topic that gets discussed on the forums that gets me every time. It is the bane of my existence, and pretty much anyone starts a thread about it, I will probably be in there posting. If any of you know me, you can probably guess what the topic is. Well, I have had that argument probably 100 times on these forums, and 99% of the time I am in the minority with respect to the topic. I've been flamed, been called about every name you could imagine, and yet I still continue to post my opinion even though I know it will get me flamed. Why would I subject myself to that? Well, because I feel that my opinion should be heard, and that I'm more than willing to stand up to the majority and speak out against it. There have been times where people have come along and said that they completely agree with my opinion, and there have been times where people think I'm the dumbest person on earth. You have to take the good and the bad, appreciate the good and shrug off the bad. Do I look to the forums to reaffirm my ideas? No, that would be dumb. I know why I like things, or why I think certain things shouldn't be allowed, and that's good enough for me. Chances are if you are facing someone who is willing to put their opinions on a forum, they are going to be less likely to change their opinions based upon the input of others. Seriously, when is the last time you saw someone post, "Wow, that's right and I was wrong, I don't know what I thought to the contrary!" I'm going to guess not very often.

Now, there is one thing that you pointed out that I do agree with. Some of the people that are regulars of these forums seem to be acting a little more hostile towards pretty much everyone right now. I don't know if they've always seemed to have an attitude and I haven't noticed it, or if it is more of a recent development. But, I'll say this, I really think people need to calm down some on this site because they are allowing themselves to get all worked up waiting for the new maps and the Beta to release. Being pricks on the forums are going to make either arrive any sooner. But, I will suggest this, start doing what I have been recently and saving copies of posts made by people that you feel are counterproductive to the "community spirit" and if you start to notice a bigger pattern, send what you got to a mod and let them take a look. The mods look at a lot of members each day, and it might be hard for them to keep track of some trends. But if you can prove that a person is being an ass-clown by their own words, I don't see how they could possibly be upset with you; they said it.

Oh, and I've been called a "forum-cop" exactly 28 times since I've been on B.net, so you might as well get used to it (and yes, I do keep track)

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Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
Again, I don't care if people judge me, I care if they act condescending about it, or elitist.


That's quite the contradiction you have in your pants there. If you did not care if people judge you, then why should you care what actions(or reactions) follow their judgements?

Personally, I try to follow the saying: "If you have nothing nice to say, at least say it in a nice way." Most people on these forums don't follow such a saying, and as such, inflame(what a perfect use of the word) the opinions and emotions of others, such as yourself. Just remember that even if their idea warrents respect, their actions do not, so just ignore them, eventually, they go away if you just act as if they aren't there.

Just imagine you are talking with your friends in a circle, and close the circle to shun out the annoying person. It helps if you can recruit the help of other users over IRC or MSN to make it that much more appearent. ;)

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Hmmm...there is one topic that gets discussed on the forums that gets me every time. It is the bane of my existence, and pretty much anyone starts a thread about it, I will probably be in there posting. If any of you know me, you can probably guess what the topic is. Well, I have had that argument probably 100 times on these forums, and 99% of the time I am in the minority with respect to the topic. I've been flamed, been called about every name you could imagine, and yet I still continue to post my opinion even though I know it will get me flamed. Why would I subject myself to that? Well, because I feel that my opinion should be heard, and that I'm more than willing to stand up to the majority and speak out against it. There have been times where people have come along and said that they completely agree with my opinion, and there have been times where people think I'm the dumbest person on earth. You have to take the good and the bad, appreciate the good and shrug off the bad. Do I look to the forums to reaffirm my ideas? No, that would be dumb. I know why I like things, or why I think certain things shouldn't be allowed, and that's good enough for me. Chances are if you are facing someone who is willing to put their opinions on a forum, they are going to be less likely to change their opinions based upon the input of others. Seriously, when is the last time you saw someone post, "Wow, that's right and I was wrong, I don't know what I thought to the contrary!" I'm going to guess not very often.


You just earned a lot of respect. I'm serious. I have nothing but respect for people who have the backbone to be able to say what they think, and to hell with the criticism.

Now, there is one thing that you pointed out that I do agree with. Some of the people that are regulars of these forums seem to be acting a little more hostile towards pretty much everyone right now. I don't know if they've always seemed to have an attitude and I haven't noticed it, or if it is more of a recent development. But, I'll say this, I really think people need to calm down some on this site because they are allowing themselves to get all worked up waiting for the new maps and the Beta to release. Being pricks on the forums are going to make either arrive any sooner. But, I will suggest this, start doing what I have been recently and saving copies of posts made by people that you feel are counterproductive to the "community spirit" and if you start to notice a bigger pattern, send what you got to a mod and let them take a look. The mods look at a lot of members each day, and it might be hard for them to keep track of some trends. But if you can prove that a person is being an ass-clown by their own words, I don't see how they could possibly be upset with you; they said it.

Thank you for referring back to the main point. This thread seems to be going off-kilter. The main point I wish to address in this thread is the overabundance of hostility on all measures.

Oh, and I've been called a "forum-cop" exactly 28 times since I've been on B.net, so you might as well get used to it (and yes, I do keep track)

More power to you. I've come to the point where I don't care if I'm called a forum cop, because I do things [that many people condone as forum cop-ish] for a good reason, so I can take solace in that.

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In 4 years i have never been accused of being a forum cop, at least that i can remember. I think its all in the way that you address someone about what they did wrong, be it posting in the wrong forum or making objectional threads. I do wish people would not take the internet so serious, and definately not take forums so seriously. There are some people who use the anonymity of the internet to say things they wouldn't normally in real life, because nobody will do anything except for banning them. I sometimes just cant figure out why people deliberately come to the forums and act like they do, attention i guess.

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Posted by: AlexZander
That's quite the contradiction you have in your pants there. If you did not care if people judge you, then why should you care what actions(or reactions) follow their judgements?


It's an enigma wrapped in a mystery wrapped in a riddle. Seriously, I have never been able to find out why I am that way. If someone calls me a rude thing to my face, I say "Whatever", and walk away, but it bugs me if they have an attitude behind what they say.

I'm just as confused as you are, believe me.

Personally, I try to follow the saying: "If you have nothing nice to say, at least say it in a nice way." Most people on these forums don't follow such a saying, and as such, inflame(what a perfect use of the word) the opinions and emotions of others, such as yourself.

You couldn't be more right.

I try my hardest to follow that saying as well. I'm not saying I succeed, but I try.

Just remember that even if their idea warrents respect, their actions do not, so just ignore them, eventually, they go away if you just act as if they aren't there.

Just imagine you are talking with your friends in a circle, and close the circle to shun out the annoying person. It helps if you can recruit the help of other users over IRC or MSN to make it that much more appearent. ;)


You have good advice, I'll give you that without question. Albeit it can be difficult to ignore those people.

I suppose that's the next step I take. For the past several years, I've focused on ignoring the complete idiots, the trolls. I suppose this is the next step for improving one's self. In my case, ignore the elitists.

  • 04.03.2007 8:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
I've come to the point where I don't care if I'm called a forum cop, because I do things [that many people condone as forum cop-ish] for a good reason, so I can take solace in that.

People used to call me a forum cop all the time... what are they to say now?

Silliness aside, I find Richard Feynman's famous advice to be very valuable in the current context. To wit,

"What do you care what other people think?"

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There are some people who use the anonymity of the internet to say things they wouldn't normally in real life, because nobody will do anything except for banning them. I sometimes just cant figure out why people deliberately come to the forums and act like they do, attention i guess.


It's a double-edged sword.

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Posted by: shiv master
Yes...the purpose of simile and metaphor is to say something without saying it directly...to imply.
If you want to talk in circles some more I can wait. Let me know when you're ready to actually have a discussion.

Perceiving "assbag!" not to be an insult, and simply having the self control to not be offended by it are quite different things.
By clear implication you advocate the first, which as I said, is deluded.
You can tell yourself that the sky is chartreuse until you actually believe it, but that doesn't make it true.

Not exactly. "assbag!" can be taken many different ways as well. If it were a sarcastic remark, serious remark, or just messing around with friends remark. All have to do with perception. Telling yourself the sky is chartreuse is convincing yourself, that has little to do with perception. Perception is a part of human instinct, action, and of course, reaction. Again, I am simply saying that perception does effect how one reacts. Nothing more, nothing less, let's get back on topic; shall we.

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Good to see at least somebody takes this place seriously

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People suck, groups of people suck harder. Why not get your own group and counter suck? Safety in numbers.
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Great ideas Mattbluhalofan, you certainly have the will and drive to want to make a change, I respect you for that. The forums need a revolution. A good one that is...

  • 04.03.2007 10:45 PM PDT

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I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

The forums have been going downhill altely for the following reasons:

1. The whole Halo 1 Vs. Halo 2 topics are getting annoying and I think they should be disallowed.

2. Asking if Bungie should add features and gameplay elements from games like Splinter Cell and GRAW are also getting annoying.

3. Threads about Halo 2 glitches (and why they are.are not cheating) are annoying aswell.

If Bungie could find ways to get rid of them, I think the forums could be a much better place.

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Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
I've come to the point where I don't care if I'm called a forum cop, because I do things [that many people condone as forum cop-ish] for a good reason, so I can take solace in that.

People used to call me a forum cop all the time... what are they to say now?

Silliness aside, I find Richard Feynman's famous advice to be very valuable in the current context. To wit,

"What do you care what other people think?"


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Great ideas Mattbluhalofan, you certainly have the will and drive to want to make a change, I respect you for that. The forums need a revolution. A good one that is...


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Posted by: The BS Police
The forums have been going downhill altely for the following reasons:

1. The whole Halo 1 Vs. Halo 2 topics are getting annoying and I think they should be disallowed.

2. Asking if Bungie should add features and gameplay elements from games like Splinter Cell and GRAW are also getting annoying.

3. Threads about Halo 2 glitches (and why they are.are not cheating) are annoying aswell.

If Bungie could find ways to get rid of them, I think the forums could be a much better place.



hear hear!

  • 04.03.2007 10:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
Just minutes after I posted this thread, a member (I won't point fingers here) sent me a PM, essentially calling me a forum cop, and a hypocrite for complaining about this (the latter). The former, however (forum cop), was based on the fact that I directed a member to the correct way in his mistake. My words were, verbatim:

"This would be better suited for The Underground. And please refrain from bumping."

Does that sound forum coppish? No. It sounds like a helpful member.

It doesn't to me. How is bumping a spam thread helpful? You might as well be making a thread off-topic thread because it's only keeping it alive (and therefore sinking on-topic threads). You know the PM system was intended for more than just gossiping about cute boyz in your school right? You could send your suggestions via PM and save yourself (and me) a lot of grief (but you'd mainly be helping the authors of every thread below the one you decided to bump).

Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
and also "hypocrite" for posting this thread.

Bumping a spam thread to say "please refrain from bumping" seems hypocritical to me (call me crazy?)

Basically, my point is, think about how the forums function. Think about the people who created their threads and how they now have to contend with a spam thread getting more attention than their own (because the forumcops just jump at the opportunity to show their knowledge of the rules). See the forums from the aspect of being an actual contributor, not an outside advisor. Then you'll see how to best advise rule-breakers without breaking the rules yourself.

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Posted by: Achronos
There is a fundamental choice you have to make - see the forum for what it is and get past it, or dwell on it. You are dwelling on it. That kind of "meta-conversation" (talking about the forums) is not generally productive at this level. It is an emotional response about something (the groupthink and the people who contribute to it) that doesn't deserve that kind of attachment.


: D Agree!

Achronos on 'Forum Mentality'
Stop dwelling on it and get past it. Examine it logically: what can you do to alter the attitude of the groupthink and their stupidity? You can do nothing directly - you are but one person. What you can do is stop paying attention to it, have your conversations (avoiding "about the forum's attitude meta-topics") and add to the collective content.


I agree Achronos, but I also perceive an irony here.

See, although the 'meta-topics' (great words) often do not contribute in positive ways to the 'collective content', the 'collective content' often contributes greatly to a proliferation of 'meta-topics' (which in turn often proceed with the assumption that there is some group-think going on somewhere on which some loosely defined 'us' come to an agreement about some straw-man or forum terrorists or whatever)

*Scratches head*

In my view most of the 'meta-topics' are a waste of time though, precisely for the reasons you outline in your first paragraph; in particular a distinct lack of will to:

Posted by: Achronos:
"see the forum for what it is"



[Edited on 04.04.2007 7:47 AM PDT]

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This is one instance where I agree with Achronos. Just ignore the flamers and trolls. PM mods and they will handle them. Enjoy the forums, but don't take them too seriously.

  • 04.04.2007 10:20 AM PDT