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Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.
So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....
"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..
Posted by: Karganeth
1) It seems that Bungie has succesfully come blundering along and is about the make MM even less functinoal than it already is.
1a)I have been trying to level up in Rumble Training so that I could be matched up in skill. This obviously takes a long time because of the foolish way the MM system works (the MM system they designed) - starting players out at level 1.
2) But it seems that the process of leveling up is completely disregarded by Bungie and that the accuracy of levels only means "accuracy after they have settled after a few months".
3) By not resetting the ranks and changing the banhammer, cheaters' inaccurate levels would eventually be phased out - without the need for all levels to be made meaningless for at least a month. The phasing out of cheaters levels and their effects on the ranking system would be gradual.
4) ...The fact that the levels are spread out does not mean that it is appropriate to reset ranks. To me, resetting ranks to solve that problem would be absurd. Instead, it would be appropriate to increase the maximum match in the playlists which are having trouble. I cannot understand how you could not reach this conclusion. It is frustrating to know that Bungie cannot understand what an appropriate solution is.
5) So? What does it matter? All levels will be affected by cheating, even after the update. The fact is that MM will still match me up according to an appropriate challege - regardless of if my level was due to cheating or not. And I thought that "Bungie has consistently (and I mean VERY consistently) stated that the only purpose of the ranks was to aid in gathering matches of players of similar skill" - so why do my thoughts about my rank come into the decision at all?
6) Removing cheateters does increase the effect skill has on your level - but this does not mean that resetting all ranks is at all necessary. How would resetting ranks increase the effect skill has on my ultimate rank, at all - that is, other than increasing the amount of time it takes to reach that appropriate rank?
yes! i thought that the rank reset would get a few people all riled up, and i thought that they would come along and make a bunch of foolish charges against bungie and claim that bungie has made a number of terrible mistaken. but, per usual, such charges are unwarranted, and per usual, bungie has made a change that is not dumb or stupid.
1) no, this is all wrong. for starters, there is nothing wrong with how mm operated, and there is nothing wrong with the ranking system, by resetting ranks and decreasing the number of cheaters, the net effect will be that our ranks will be more indicative of our actual level of skill (once we have played sufficiently many games to level up to our natural ranks). so, your charge against them is hogwash.
1a) this was too funny to ignore. let me get this straight: you are upset with bungie because of how long it takes you to level up in RUMBLE TRAINING? do you know how the invisible rank system works in training playlists? if you do, then you should realize that loads and loads of the people you play against will have no ranks or low ranks (friends, guests, etc.), so of course it will take a long time for you to level up in an unranked training playlist. but, if you want to play balanced and competitive games, then YOU can end your problem and play rumble pit.
2) huh? i honestly do not get this, of course ranks will have meaning, but this can only happen after players have played enough games to reach their natural ranks, and of course this will take some time (maybe a couple of months). how exactly does this amount to bungie completely disregarding the leveling up process?
3) no, this is all wrong, and achronos has already explained why. just getting rid of cheaters will not help make mm run more smoothly because the mm population will still be artificially widely dispersed. by resetting ranks and getting rid of cheaters, when people level out, the spread of players will be smaller, so the same number of players will be matched more efficiently by mm. this should be apparent to anyone with running knowledge of statistics and logistics.
4) no, this is all wrong AND it would not work. i will not go into all of the details, but merely increasing the rank ranges within a playlist will decrease competitive balance, which clearly harm's gameplay. this would be bad for mm in the short run and in the long run, and this is why this is a rotten idea.
your confusion and frustration are both misguided. but, as long as you fail to recognize the actual statistical and logistical consequences of bugie's mm decisions, you will probably think that all of their decisions are bad (when they are not) and that all of your suggestions are better (when they are not).
5) huh? again, i do not get what you are upset about. resetting the ranks and eliminating cheaters will make one's rank more indicative of their natural ability, so this will help mm run more smoothly (match players of comensurate skill). how is this a problem?
6) again, this will be clear to anyone who understands statistics. by removing cheaters AND resetting ranks, your rank will be influenced less by artificial factors. since your rank will be determined more by your performance in honest games, your rank will be more closely tied to your actual skill level. simply removing cheaters cannot produce this result, and this is why resetting ranks AND eliminating cheaters will make ranks more accurate measures of one's skill, and this is why doing both will make mm run more effectively.