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The great thing is all those times we got owned by the modders, and cheaters. I say its time for a little payback Hoorah!!!!

  • 04.07.2007 5:48 AM PDT

WOW! This is going to be awesome! Halo is going to be so much more fun now!!! GG Bungie!!!

  • 04.07.2007 6:10 AM PDT
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wow i worked so hard to get a 40 in snipers and a 40 in slayer do u know how dumb this is now i am just going to quit halo 2 because of this

  • 04.07.2007 6:13 AM PDT
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It seems that Bungie has succesfully come blundering along and is about the make MM even less functinoal than it already is. I have been trying to level up in Rumble Training so that I could be matched up in skill. This obviously takes a long time because of the foolish way the MM system works (the MM system they designed) - starting players out at level 1. The starting level of 1 also means that the loss factor plays a massive factor in MM (it affects everyone under level 29) when a loss factor should not be necessary at all - no player should consistently lose more than win. It seems that my efforts of leveling up have been made trivial. I will have to play another 250 games before I begin to be matched up in skill level - probably more. Bungie is not aware that for a MASSIVE amount of time ALL levels will mean utterly NOTHING because not everybody has been playing after the ranks reset. But it seems that the process of leveling up is completely disregarded by Bungie and that the accuracy of levels only means "accuracy after they have settled after a few months".

By not resetting the ranks and changing the banhammer, cheaters' inaccurate levels would eventually be phased out - without the need for all levels to be made meaningless for at least a month. The phasing out of cheaters levels and their effects on the ranking system would be gradual.

Posted by: Achronos
The primary reason, though, is that with the smaller online population, many people's levels are spread out and/or artificially inflated - to keep matching fast, we need to reign it back in.

...The fact that the levels are spread out does not mean that it is appropriate to reset ranks. To me, resetting ranks to solve that problem would be absurd. Instead, it would be appropriate to increase the maximum match in the playlists which are having trouble. I cannot understand how you could not reach this conclusion. It is frustrating to know that Bungie cannot understand what an appropriate solution is.

Posted by: Achronos
Besides, you have no idea right now if you rank is earned or not due to the cheating. So, a fresh start with new anti-cheating controls might help lend a bit of help there.

So? What does it matter? All levels will be affected by cheating, even after the update. The fact is that MM will still match me up according to an appropriate challege - regardless of if my level was due to cheating or not. And I thought that "Bungie has consistently (and I mean VERY consistently) stated that the only purpose of the ranks was to aid in gathering matches of players of similar skill" - so why do my thoughts about my rank come into the decision at all?

Posted by: Recon Number 54
If those other people (the cheaters, rank manipulators, and network manipulators) are removed from the equation (I'm in the dark as much as you are, I can only hope this will happen), then

rankings could be something of slightly more value than they are currently.

Yes, removing cheating would mean that levels were, on average, based more on skill.

Posted by: Recon Number 54
So if you, or anyone has ego or other worth hung onto a number that was NEVER intended for that, and that has been nearly completely devalued by those who use improper means to elevate it..... then you are missing out on a possible chance to see what your ranks really "could have been".

Removing cheateters does increase the effect skill has on your level - but this does not mean that resetting all ranks is at all necessary. How would resetting ranks increase the effect skill has on my ultimate rank, at all - that is, other than increasing the amount of time it takes to reach that appropriate rank?

[Edited on 04.07.2007 6:24 AM PDT]

  • 04.07.2007 6:13 AM PDT
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it will suck to go into matchmaking because you wont know if you are going against a legit lvl 5 or a lgit lvl 45 so the lower ranks are going to have a hard time lvling up because of all the pro h2 players pwning them. So the 23 are going to go down lvls well the good h2 players get back there 40 s

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Posted by: Karganeth
It seems that Bungie has succesfully come blundering along and is about the make MM even less functinoal than it already is. I have been trying to level up in Rumble Training so that I could be matched up in skill. This obviously takes a long time because of the foolish way the MM system works (the MM system they designed) - starting players out at level 1. The starting level of 1 also means that the loss factor plays a massive factor in MM (it affects everyone under level 29) when a loss factor should not be necessary at all - no player should consistently lose more than win. It seems that my efforts of leveling up have been made trivial. I will have to play another 250 games before I begin to be matched up in skill level - probably more. Bungie is not aware that for a MASSIVE amount of time ALL levels will mean utterly NOTHING because not everybody has been playing after the ranks reset. But it seems that the process of leveling up is completely disregarded by Bungie and that the accuracy of levels only means "accuracy after they have settled after a few months".

By not resetting the ranks and changing the banhammer, cheaters' inaccurate levels would eventually be phased out - without the need for all levels to be made meaningless for at least a month. The phasing out of cheaters levels and their effects on the ranking system would be gradual.

Posted by: Achronos
The primary reason, though, is that with the smaller online population, many people's levels are spread out and/or artificially inflated - to keep matching fast, we need to reign it back in.

...The fact that the levels are spread out does not mean that it is appropriate to reset ranks. To me, resetting ranks to solve that problem would be absurd. Instead, it would be appropriate to increase the maximum match in the playlists which are having trouble. I cannot understand how you could not reach this conclusion. It is frustrating to know that Bungie cannot understand what an appropriate solution is.

Posted by: Achronos
Besides, you have no idea right now if you rank is earned or not due to the cheating. So, a fresh start with new anti-cheating controls might help lend a bit of help there.

So? What does it matter? All levels will be affected by cheating, even after the update. The fact is that MM will still match me up according to an appropriate challege - regardless of if my level was due to cheating or not. And I thought that "Bungie has consistently (and I mean VERY consistently) stated that the only purpose of the ranks was to aid in gathering matches of players of similar skill" - so why do my thoughts about my rank come into the decision at all?

Posted by: Recon Number 54
If those other people (the cheaters, rank manipulators, and network manipulators) are removed from the equation (I'm in the dark as much as you are, I can only hope this will happen), then

rankings could be something of slightly more value than they are currently.

Yes, removing cheating would mean that levels were, on average, based more on skill.

Posted by: Recon Number 54
So if you, or anyone has ego or other worth hung onto a number that was NEVER intended for that, and that has been nearly completely devalued by those who use improper means to elevate it..... then you are missing out on a possible chance to see what your ranks really "could have been".

Removing cheateters does increase the effect skill has on your level - but this does not mean that resetting all ranks is at all necessary. How would resetting ranks increase the effect skill has on my ultimate rank, at all - that is, other than increasing the amount of time it takes to reach that appropriate rank?

Well said.

  • 04.07.2007 7:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: Deceiver196_
* I love it how all the people who say ranks are gonna be easy to get back or that they don't mind are all below level 5. Pretty funny that you're going to get your 20 back. GG


Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Wow, because I've said that statement since they announced they were resetting the stats, and I'm a level 31. Guess what? I don't mind at all! If they reset stats more often, I'd spend less money on multiple XBL GT's. I'm glad that they are resetting ranks. I've gotten up to a 31 on 3 GT's and I don't find it hard at all. I don't play with a team, I go in with complete randoms, every time! If you say that you can't get back to the rank you had before, even with using a team of friends, you DON'T deserve to be that rank. Sorry to break that to you.

Stop making yourself look bad by posting ridiculous generalizations like this.

~B.B.

Ok, little duckling, you seem to have been led astray by your own thinking, good job, stop thinking. You say it's going to save you money because you spend it on multiple accounts? Why does resetting the ranks have anything to do with that? What, al you do is hit 31 and then make a new account? Wow, and you're calling me bad. ok.


Posted by: BerserkerBarage
I've gotten up to a 31 on 3 GT's and I don't find it hard at all. I don't play with a team, I go in with complete randoms, every time! If you say that you can't get back to the rank you had before, even with using a team of friends, you DON'T deserve to be that rank. Sorry to break that to you.

Stop making yourself look bad by posting ridiculous generalizations like this.

~B.B.

I never said I found it hard either, duck. I have a 37 is 4 playlists, had a 43 in slayer before I deranked it, have no rank lower than 32(except hardcore which I did have a 32 before in) and even swat I had one game from a 32 in it before it was take out. I have had 7 accounts go to 32, have had 3 of those hit 37 and HEY, even after months of NOT playing, I still manage to carry teams over in MM. Trying to single me out as a bad player is one of the funniest things you can do. Why are you even questioning my skill level?
Oh cause you're a ONBO? ok


Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Stop making yourself look bad by posting ridiculous generalizations like this.


Like what? That everyone who said it was below a level 5? WOW. Maybe you should understand what hyperbolas and exaggerations are. How dumb are you? Seriously, BB, or B.B, or BABA, you need to understand what's going no before you run your mouth.

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  • 04.07.2007 7:57 AM PDT
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  • 04.07.2007 8:01 AM PDT
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This is sad. Can't we just play the game, to play the game?

  • 04.07.2007 8:14 AM PDT
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it seems that a lot of people are willing to state that this reset will require a significant amount of time to get everyone at their "true" rank; or a short time (I admittedly stated that myself). There is however a true amount of time it should take and that is easily figured out with statistics, all you need is the data on the number of players in each rank group. It should be pointed out that this data is available to Bungie and only Bungie. We do not know the stats of all games and players in each game type and really therefore cannot tell how long it will take, myself included. had I the data I could do that analysis and know the time required, it is simple statistics.

So some will be pwned hard, but everyone that continues to play will hopefully be good sports about it and not slam those who are not as good players as they are. if everyone just has fun and keeps their nastiness to themselves it will be enjoyable and no one will have a truly "bad" game experience.

If the ranking is revised then the ranking of each player could be different and could include other indications. This is possible to actually happen and if so could significantly change the time to realize more challenging games.

Sometimes a new player without much "skillz" can still pull off a good stunt or new tactic that really throws a person. A friend of mine will play me although he is much better simply because he is exposed to new tactics and surprises that make a simple beaver creek game much more interesting.
Some players do not reach high levels because of controller-human interface, not a lack of ability to analyze a tactical situation and react in a solid manner. These folks may actually liven up some of those "total pwnage" games.

Lastly, there have been many interesting comments about having multiple gamertags and using temp subscriptions. Why would anyone need multiple tags except to play lower level games or cheat? Assuming they are not for cheating (I will not accuse them of cheating with modz etc. wihtout proof), they must then be for playing lower levels. Some of these people have even stated this, which is basically an admission that they delevel themselves, which is a much hated action in the gameing community.

Simple truth: The levels will be reset, if you can't handle it don't play the game. Bungie sold you this game for around 60 dollars years ago. The fact they keep updating it is not required at this point. You have more than received your money's worth but they continue to support it because they are trying to be nice about it. The game is remarkably old for the product type and beyond normal support times; many companies would have dropped all support and efforts by now but Bungie has a different viewpoint and are doing their best to work on it. Let's face it, they cannot produce the game at extreme cost and continue to support it at significant cost just because some people believe that they should. They are a business and if they are not making a profit they will not exist, and supporting Halo 2 is a cost, not a profit, for any business so they are trying to be good to their fans with changes they make to MM and playlists etc.; even the new maps are a nicety for them to support, as the majority of the profits will be seen by Certain Affinity. Try to get support for any other game of this age on the market, it likely won't happen.

There are reasons this is being done, given the track record of Bungie those reasons are likely legit and with the best interest of the fans in mind as the other updates have been; they do not have to (and may not have) revealed all the reasons for it. They continue to support their fans well and there is nothing to show that is changing. They are obviously trying their best and we should be happy about that, not screaming like a three year old.

We should all act like good members of our society and quit bellyaching, arguing, and badtalking each other or the people who are doing this. It will not change anything, it will just get everyone riled up and pissed off at each other so the waaahmbulance will be working overtime picking up all those patients.

  • 04.07.2007 8:18 AM PDT
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I dont mind, my rank sux right now cause i only got halo 2 last year summer and xbox live christmas wen i got my 360 - never had an xbox. Im srry for those 40 and up. I guess it'll give a reason to continue playin.

  • 04.07.2007 9:00 AM PDT
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You know, people say this will be the final nail in the coffin, but I say that happened a long time ago. April 18, 2005 I believe. It totally shifted how the game played and shortly after all the subsequent updates (new maps, rank reset, HUGE mm change) was when the bulk of the people lost interest. I think what this will do is make the people that have lost interest check back and see what's up with Halo... perhaps even discover a long lost friend.

  • 04.07.2007 9:00 AM PDT

Damn you roor!

OK fine reset the ranks.... but I swear man... if I sit through more than 5-10 seconds of blue screen and the host doesn't lag out....... IMA BE PISSED!

  • 04.07.2007 9:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: Jablonzo
OK fine reset the ranks.... but I swear man... if I sit through more than 5-10 seconds of blue screen and the host doesn't lag out....... IMA BE PISSED!

Sorry, but the update attempts to address cheating.

You're anticipating that they somehow fixed the Internet. That's a pretty tall order, and not likely to happen.

He was referring to standby, I think.

  • 04.07.2007 9:36 AM PDT
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If the updates actually address cheating and stop it better than in the past, then hurrah. Ranks will have more integrity and they'll mean something more.

If not -- and how many times have I heard about a "banhammer" that doesn't do all that much -- then there is no reason for a stats reset.

  • 04.07.2007 9:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: Deceiver196_
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: Jablonzo
OK fine reset the ranks.... but I swear man... if I sit through more than 5-10 seconds of blue screen and the host doesn't lag out....... IMA BE PISSED!

Sorry, but the update attempts to address cheating.

You're anticipating that they somehow fixed the Internet. That's a pretty tall order, and not likely to happen.

He was referring to standby, I think.

Perhaps so. But those symptoms (while frequently attributed to standby) are also a common sign that the Internet is not a perfect network. Which is something that many people are unwilling to see, especially when they can blame someone else.


Yeah. Especially in BTB.

and mega, if ALL cheating is reduced to it being VERY rare, I wouldn't care about stat reset either. And it's not that I don't have faith in Bungie, it's just that cheating is so hard to stop and I don't think even half of it will be taken away.

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me to, now theirs going to noobs in alot of game & better poepe and modders. its bull.

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Posted by: FitDragon
wow i worked so hard to get a 40 in snipers and a 40 in slayer do u know how dumb this is now i am just going to quit halo 2 because of this


News flash dude, I don't think anyone in bungie cares for you. They have a million people on Halo 2, one person quiting wont change a thing.
Also, If you are so good at halo to get a high level (this goes to all the winers), why can't you just get your level back?

  • 04.07.2007 11:26 AM PDT

Damn you roor!

yea I was talking about stand-bying. If you go to blue screen for more than 5-10 seconds(and the host doesn't lag out) IT'S MUCH MORE THAN LIKELY that it's because of a stand-byer. So any time the host is putting ppl into blue screen for extended periods of time they should LAG OUT. Sorry if 1 out of 10 of those times the guy wasn't cheating.

I, for one, NEVER put people in blue screen, if my connection hiccups 1 or 2 people might go down to low green or yellow, but that's it.

  • 04.07.2007 11:39 AM PDT

Posted by: IIDWells55XII
...kids who get the lead by one and then superbounce to some obscure part of the map that even Chuck Norris himself can't get to.


Chuck Norris can get to ANY part of the map, even the parts that you don't think are possible to get to. Remember the highest mountain top on Lockout, that you thought was just a backdrop picture. Chuck Norris has been there, during a game of oddball.

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  • 04.07.2007 11:42 AM PDT

Posted by: Jablonzo
yea I was talking about stand-bying. If you go to blue screen for more than 5-10 seconds(and the host doesn't lag out) IT'S MUCH MORE THAN LIKELY that it's because of a stand-byer. So any time the host is putting ppl into blue screen for extended periods of time they should LAG OUT. Sorry if 1 out of 10 of those times the guy wasn't cheating.

I, for one, NEVER put people in blue screen, if my connection hiccups 1 or 2 people might go down to low green or yellow, but that's it.


Nobody ever said that you put people into blue screen.

I wonder why you were so quick to defend that fact. Hmmmm.......

  • 04.07.2007 11:45 AM PDT