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Subject: Halo PC Netcode to other games comparison?
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Right, so on halo pc online, you have to aim infront of players to hit them with your shots. On higher ping you have to aim further. People hate it, but it is definitely doable and some of us find it pretty simple. Lets look at the netcode for other FPS games:

Counter Strike: Source

Right, so they tried to compensate for lag by making people only have to hit you where you were. This can lead to you dieing in places you were not even standing in, or were standing in a moment ago. Not only this, but they have overdone the lag compensation, meaning that sometimes on high ping you dont aim at them to kill them, you aim where you just saw them to be. You lead...behind them.

Counter Strike: 1.0-1.6

Back in the days of LPBs and HPBs, Counter Strike was not even in the same par of netcodes for other games at its release, the netcode seemed flawless as I ran around firing my deagle with 400 ping, It seemed almost possible to get a really good score. Now, I personally am not 1 that pretends to know anything about computers to the extent of explaining how stuff like this works, but I know packet loss was a big thing to do with it, and though I can't remember there being any lead, sometimes when you sniped a guy that wasnt moving and should obviously be a direct hit, the bullet seemed to sparrk on his body and do no damage. Packet loss. Then as soon as LPBs came about and you had to face those basretards with 25 ping, you got owned very very badly.

Quake 4:

Few would know about the netcode for this game because it is so inactive online, maybe cos the people who do play it online have mastered quake over the years? There are certainly no nubs there. I play it, and I do well when I have a ping of 50 or lower. Everything seems fine. Suddenly I am playing my computer at 4am and the only active servers are US servers, I hop in and try to kill people with my 200 ping. Oh wait? WTF? I thought ping had no effect? Nothing is hitting, and I wonder why. Eventually I pull out the railgun and do what ~DRA~Nessy does best. I start to lead, omfg this game with players moving acrosss the map in moments actually has lead... I can not believe it, now in halo, if you try to lead on someone then you know they are only going to be a little to the left or right of where you see them, but on Quake 4, they could be on the other side of the map in that tiny moment.

So all you people that hate Halo for its terrible netcode, hate these games more.

PS: UT games netcode is alike the original CS and Q3s netcode is like Q4s

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  • 04.10.2007 9:18 AM PDT
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um no? Halo's netcode is incredibly laggy. THere is no reason why i should have to lead when the server is sitting right next to me nor when it is only a few km away.

  • 04.10.2007 12:09 PM PDT
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You're comparing dogs to cats. Halo 1's netcode is server sided action, which causes front side lag where the other games you mention have their actions reported on the client side, causing back end lag.

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Posted by: Zeph
You're comparing dogs to cats. Halo 1's netcode is server sided action, which causes front side lag where the other games you mention have their actions reported on the client side, causing back end lag.


true but it would also help if n00bs didnt have 5 downloads being downloaded all the time.
i mean seriously man is it so hard to pause your downloads before you go int a heavy fps game?

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Posted by: Zeph
You're comparing dogs to cats. Halo 1's netcode is server sided action, which causes front side lag where the other games you mention have their actions reported on the client side, causing back end lag.
Dogs ftw...

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I believe Master Kim told me that there won't be lead (VERY less lead) in Halo 2 Vista. ;)

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I find Halo's netcode to be best. You do have to lead shots, but I find that if you do it right, they always connect.

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Posted by: HaloPlaya4Eva
I find Halo's netcode to be best. You do have to lead shots, but I find that if you do it right, they always connect.
Basically, the netcode is bad, but at least it's consistent.

  • 04.10.2007 1:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xehsin
I believe Master Kim told me that there won't be lead (VERY less lead) in Halo 2 Vista. ;)


?? When did Master Kim become an authority on netcode of unreleased games??

  • 04.10.2007 1:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xehsin
I believe Master Kim told me that there won't be lead (VERY less lead) in Halo 2 Vista. ;)


?? When did Master Kim become an authority on netcode of unreleased games??
Indeed. If I did say so, I probably said maybe.

  • 04.10.2007 1:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: pinkprincess47

true but it would also help if n00bs didnt have 5 downloads being downloaded all the time.
i mean seriously man is it so hard to pause your downloads before you go int a heavy fps game?


Yeah, cause lag and graphics performance are SO related...

EDIT: Unless you meant First Person Shooter... but I think you meant Frames Per Second.

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  • 04.10.2007 9:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: HaloPlaya4Eva
I find Halo's netcode to be best. You do have to lead shots, but I find that if you do it right, they always connect.
Basically, the netcode is bad, but at least it's consistent.

In my opinion the crappy netcode takes skills so if you can sit there and just be like 3sk 3sk 3sk in halo then you should be able to own any other game.

  • 04.10.2007 9:46 PM PDT

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None of these games have "stunning" network codes but they are better then some and worse than others.

  • 04.10.2007 9:47 PM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

Also Halo's netcode was designed to prevent hacking and such on the client's end. As a result we have very few "hacks" save for the aimbot and a few other mods.

I can't hate Halo's netcode, I'm so used to it.

There's no leading in Xbox Halo 2, so I don't expect H2V to have any lead.

  • 04.11.2007 6:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: vincent5
Also Halo's netcode was designed to prevent hacking and such on the client's end. As a result we have very few "hacks" save for the aimbot and a few other mods.

I can't hate Halo's netcode, I'm so used to it.

There's no leading in Xbox Halo 2, so I don't expect H2V to have any lead.
how can you say that if halo 1 xbox did not have lead?

  • 04.11.2007 6:33 AM PDT

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The sad thing is high ping on a LAN as well

we were running on a school lan, all our computers were right next to each other in same room, and all the computers go to a 64 port router, and that router has an output to go to the school main server

My friend got shot 3 times with RL Hog and survived.

And not everyone is on the computers around the school at once.

I may be wrong too.

  • 04.11.2007 8:03 AM PDT

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Wow! I just so happens I DO hate those games multiplayer more!

Then again, I don't hate Halo multiplayer, I just don't like leading period, and as has been said, at least in Halo the lead is consistent for the most part.

  • 04.11.2007 10:04 AM PDT
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Frankly, I don't care about the netcode--the game's still playable isn't it? Even with an enormous lead, Halo is still a masterpiece. Good netcode can't make up for others games being pieces of crap.

  • 04.12.2007 5:30 AM PDT

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  • 04.12.2007 10:35 AM PDT