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Posted by: Iggwilv
*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*
Posted by: Admiral Bacon
I'm going to guess he isn't getting a graphics card because graphics cards are expensive. Even an old ATI x700 is in the hundreds of dollars, and it's so outdated it's not even worth looking at, much less buying and installing in a PC. The only graphics cards worth buying these days are the nVidia GeForce 8800 and the ATI equivilant. That'll set you back around $600, which can buy you one dang nice notebook from BestBuy (souce: Acer 5610x, $600, new, Vista Premium, Intel GMA 950, 1.66ghz dual-core, 80gb HDD, DVD-RW burner)
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Why would I compare it to the best graphics card on the market? To continue with the analogy, why would I compare my orange with a steak and shrimp dinner at a fancy restaraunt? That just doesn't make sense.
I think the point the topic starter is trying to make is that he doesn't want to have to buy a graphics card, so he wants to know if buying a stock machine will suffice. If the stock machine has an Intel GMA x3000 - and seeing as how that's Intel's standard for new desktop chipsets - then the answer is yes, buying the stock machine will suffice. I will not compare something that's going to cost him nothing to something that he can buy a brand new PC rather than buy.
Please do some research before you deicde to post, it helps not only for you to understand what everyone is talking bout, but to help make a more informed post.
An x700 is NOT hundreds of dollars to start with, I do not know where you conjur these figures from but they are about as right as the rest of your content. Second of all I do not know how you get away comparing a graphics card to a laptop, they are related how? Not to mention those specs leave A LOT to be desired, you get what you pay for. You will get a whole lot more performance from a $600 graphics card than a laptop at that price.
As for your analogy, it is pretty underwhelming, especially since you try to argue that the x3000 is on par with an xbox 360. I would say it's closer to comparing rotten apples, oranges, and filet mignon with an x3000, geforce 6 series and a geforce 8 series. The x3000 will never be good, at least to my standards. I do not care if you dont mind having the CPU do some of the work since intel sucks with drivers and even then it wont perform well. The 6 series was good for it's time and infact I still have 2 6800 GTs that run quite well, but they have been relegated into the position of apples. And lastly the 8 series which everyone knows how well it performs.
A few more things I would like to point out are that you CANNOT add the clock frequencies of dual core processors, it does NOT work that way and it wont. Also it boggles my mind to know why you would ever want to trade in an x800 series card for that intel processing unit, sure it may support sm3(the Xxxx series does not) but then again so does my CPU(everything can be emulated in software) but it will not perform as well as I would like just like an x3000.
Keeping with the misinformed trend you really have no clue what you are talking about, just like CPU's you cannot translate performance across different chipsets based purely on megahurtz. I thought this was common knowledge now adays. It brings back bad memories of the pentium 4 days. Who cares what MHZ rating it has because it has 2 pixel shaders, of course that is also a bad metric on how to rate parts since they also do not translate well across different chipsets so that is out. Then we will move on to memory, forgive yourself for you do not know what you say but you cannot use memory sizes to compare either. This is especially true since it's an integrated card with memory being leached off the main system ram which not only slows the rest of the system down but it also is incredibly slow memory compared to the dedicated ram on the GPU itself, but you knew this. There are geforce 6200s which can use up to 512 megs of ram and by your logic is better than say a 7900gt with 256 since the 6200 has twice the amount.
[Edited on 04.13.2007 4:14 PM PDT]