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Subject: Do you guys think the intel GMA X3000 will run halo 2 vista ?

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Posted by: Admiral Bacon
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@staticx576: You have yet to provide me with your statistics on the x3000. You have given me nothing to work with. I've done plenty of research. And yes, I do believe $150 (new) is "in the hundreds".


[url="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid= 31&threadid=1934968"]performing way worse than a 6600gt[/url]
[url="http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/print.php?cid =6&id=2058"] performing just as bad[/url]
[url="http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=129343] impressive scores there![/url]
[url="http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intelg965/sb /CS-023018.htm"]but you know you hit rock bottom when intel's own site says that known issues with games are that they are slow[/url]

Posted by: Admiral Bacon
I compare a graphics card to a notebook because I'm saying you could spend the money on a graphics card or buy a whole 'nother computer (which with some very small fixes, btw, could play H2V itself) for the same price.


So now you have two bad computers instead of one capable of running H2V!

Posted by: Admiral Bacon
With Intel's x3000, the CPU does none of the work.. The only part of the system being used is RAM, and if you have enough to begin with, it doesn't matter.

Google search, do some research and you will discover that intels drivers are still very immature and some of the proccesses still have to be done on the CPU, but hey, I said that already, unless of course intel has fixed this.

Posted by: Admiral Bacon
I'm only adding the clock speeds for the speed when actually doing something. Playing a game that runs on a single thread is much different, and I understand that, but having two 1.6 ghz processors when multitasking is like have a 3.5 ghz processor. When you emulate rendering with a CPU (also known as a reference graphics device) the highest FPS you can get is around 2-3 (and do NOT try to argue that, I know, I write games)


Look here, I can write games too: GAMES

There. impressed?

You still do not get it do you, it's not like having a 3.5 ghz proc since a dual core runs threads in parallel and thus each thread will still get done at the speed of 1.6 ghz, it wont make the threads complete twice as fast. You can do more at the same time, not something twice as fast.

When did I say a CPU would perform well? I said quite the opposite I believe.
Posted by: Admiral Bacon
THE INTEL GRAPHICS MEDIA ACCELERATOR X3000 WILL PLAY HALO 2 VISTA. Period.


So will my CPU but I want decent performance.



[Edited on 04.13.2007 4:48 PM PDT]

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I composed a short video with my GMA 900 about showing off what no T&L looks like in Halo, if anyone is curious, here it is.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1222817975108620471

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Integrated chips vary a lot. Perhaps it will run h2v, perhaps it won't. Anyway, I stopped supporting you when you said 1.66 x 2 = 3.5

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Posted by: brianv
I composed a short video with my GMA 900 about showing off what no T&L looks like in Halo, if anyone is curious, here it is.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1222817975108620471

The x3000 has harware T+L
And I know exactly what Halo looks like on an a GMA 900.

Posted by: Pet0sh
Integrated chips vary a lot. Perhaps it will run h2v, perhaps it won't. Anyway, I stopped supporting you when you said 1.66 x 2 = 3.5

When running a single thread program, say Halo 2, 1.66 = 1.66 because you can only use one of the CPUs. But that was in no way my point. My point was that Static said a 1.66ghz processor is too outdated - it isn't. <2ghz Dual Cores are extremely popular in high quality computers these days.


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Maybe I only keep arguing this because I'm an optimist, I'm always looking at what something can do rather than what it can't do.
Here's Halo PC on a GMA 900, the good side:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/gruntmaps/halo2007-04-12 12-08-42-45.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/gruntmaps/halo2007-04-12 12-15-56-77.jpg

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Ok, just look at it this way:
If you're desperate and getting a new PC, the performance from an integrated Intel GMA x3000 should be fine for casual play, it may actually perform quite nicely with all stats on minimum. (Note: only the X 3000, the 900, 950, and 3000 I hold no guarantees for. They may run under emulated T+L, but I have no way of knowing.) But in all seriousness, yes, you'd be an idiot to rely on an integrated card for gaming. Under certain circumstances, everything I've said can be true. Under other circumstances, everything Static said can be true. And of course it can be a mix of the two. It all depends on how you run it and what you're looking for.
Me personally, I would be looking to just be able to run H2V.
Others would be looking for 60Fps constant while playing on full specs in an online match against 15 other players.

[Edited on 04.13.2007 7:27 PM PDT]

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*Off Topic* Hey guys, do you know if an Ati radeon xpress 200 series graphics card will run halo 2. I believe it's integrated, but i get a constant 30fps on halo. I'm wondering how good it would be on H2V.

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Okay, so let me revise my previous statement: There is a chance you can run Halo 2 with an integrated chipset like the GMA X3000, but you probably wouldn't want to.

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Posted by: Admiral Bacon

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Maybe I only keep arguing this because I'm an optimist, I'm always looking at what something can do rather than what it can't do.
Here's Halo PC on a GMA 900, the good side:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/gruntmaps/halo2007-04-12 12-08-42-45.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/gruntmaps/halo2007-04-12 12-15-56-77.jpg
i dont care about Pics, i want FPS, res, whats on and off,

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Both Pics: 1280x800, all stats on full, update speed set to 30fps.
First Pic: 30fps
Second Pic: 15fps, but I'm shooting.

Posted by: xxlpreapxx
*Off Topic* Hey guys, do you know if an Ati radeon xpress 200 series graphics card will run halo 2. I believe it's integrated, but i get a constant 30fps on halo. I'm wondering how good it would be on H2V.

You could possibly be in the same boat as the GMA x3000, but I think you're worse off. The ATI express has Hardware T+L, so you've got no problems actually using the card, but you'll have the same problems these guys have been -blam!-ing at me about. The other thing is that with the flat stats, the ATI Express isn't as good. But, as Static pointed out, the Intel drivers are horrid and integrated ATI cards are a lot more reliable. Still, be worried. If this a notebook, then you should be ok as you're not going to get anything better (it should run, but don't even consider playing H2V on a notebook)

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Posted by: Admiral Bacon
Both Pics: 1280x800, all stats on full, update speed set to 30fps.
First Pic: 30fps
Second Pic: 15fps, but I'm shooting.
looking closer at the pic it is running no specular, no shadows, med textures and particles off and your getting 15 FPS =\ ?

i run 1024X768 spec on, decals on, shadows off, high textures, med particles and i get about 30 in a fire fight with my POS

bottom line, the IGP will run halo 2 vista, but not good at all. it will be great for starting off with but you will have to upgrade if you want to keep up with modern games

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What? No, those are both running WITH specular, shadows, high textures, high particles, decals on.
I can show you in a video if you want, but that will kill my FPS.
I could easily run at low textures, no specular, no shadow, and particles off, and I bet that would give me a perfect FPS, but I choose to run it with full specs and put it to its full potential. It also played wonderfully* on full specs in a game online at Blood Gulch.
I could also easily run at a lower resolution.
The performance of a GMA 900 in Halo is NOT the topic of this post.

*25 FPS

[Edited on 04.13.2007 8:23 PM PDT]

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