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HBW Knuckles aka Hyrage aka Khris

Would you like to have a Forum related to what have been done wrong in the games from Bungie. The Forum would be there to let you explain what you felt wrong, frustrating, suggest a solution, etc.

I think it would be a really good way to truly identify what gamers want and what gamers hate. No other company possesses a Forum like this. At the first perspective it could sounds like a negative idea, thinking about frustrated people who could just complain over and over again, but this Forum would not be about it.

It would be more like a forum to discuss about what could be better, the weakness of the games, what need to be change, what Pros need, what Occasional Gamers need, etc. It's in some way a good way to better link the Gamers & the fans to Bungie., but in no way a Forum to talk about what gamers & fans dream of... from Bungie. The main goal is all about knowledge of what works correctly, what doesn't, what should be change in the future, etc.

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Name of the topic: "Halo C:E and pink frogs"

Post: I do think that the actual Ranked System in Ahlo C:E (purely fictional) do not work correctly. Something is wrong in.... bla bla. I suggest "X" because I think that it could make the Optimatch better. The actual Ranking System doesn't really work well and I do not think that I'm playing with the players from my Level.

(this is just an example..)

  • 04.14.2007 7:46 PM PDT
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An entire forum of rants? Are you crazy?

  • 04.14.2007 8:00 PM PDT

HBW Knuckles aka Hyrage aka Khris

Posted by: bacon greese1521
An entire forum of rants? Are you crazy?


Absolutely not...

Look, testing is the best way to know if a game works well or not. Actually, something similar is going for Halo 2 for the Playlist. Here, I'm talking about something bigger. We could discuss about the games and do it deeply:

- Balance
- Voice acting
- Rewards
- Optimatch
- Customization
- Weapon Balance
- Gameplay mechanics (does it really works fine?)

After one year, I think that all what Bungie could gain as information & experience would be phenomenal. You know that it will always have people complaining from their frustration... it's part of life as it is for cheaters on the Online Games.

The actuel Topic is about how we (fans & bungie.net users/ gamers) could help at game development. You know, game developers are making games for Gamers, so why wouldn't we let them know what we deeply need? We are the ones playing their game.

You know, Halo 2 was the biggest hit on X-Box One, but also the most reselled game ever on X-Box. Other Developers just saw the Halo 2 success and tried to just copy it in some ways, but I think they haven't listen to how gamers react to Halo 2 at all. So some Deloppers were repeating some weak points from Halo 2 thinking we (gamers) just enjoy it.

"FALSE"...

Here we can say what we find that works great or what doesn't work at all. We are the best placed person to say what's about the game because many of us are playing the same games day after day and we know of what we are talking about.

But you could also disagree with what I'm saying, it's all about different perspectives.

  • 04.14.2007 8:22 PM PDT

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  • 04.14.2007 8:37 PM PDT

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That's funny, I was under the impression that we already had one...

Now why would I think that?!

[Edited on 04.14.2007 8:51 PM PDT]

  • 04.14.2007 8:49 PM PDT
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good one!

hmmm, and why should we give whiners a place to post? people would comment on stupid things that can't change and simply waste theirs, and other ninjas's time.

  • 04.14.2007 8:57 PM PDT

HBW Knuckles aka Hyrage aka Khris

Posted by: Recon Number 54
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LOL, it's a great idea you had. What I have in mind is a bit different. It's more like... letting the gamers criticism the game. It's already a good thing to have a Forum for the Optimatch or the playlist, but I think it's just the beginning. What I have in mind is not a Forum to cry that you get killed everytime, well... It hink it could be called: "Hey we are Bungie and we want to hear all your commentaries, guys!"

LOL, just kidding but it sounds more like this than a place to complain.

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The Forum I'm talking about is the place were you can say [just examples, not true]:

" After 4 weeks, I truly think that this Pistol is too overpowered, it's actually 3 headshot to kill, adding a 4th one would be PERFECT."

"The story isn't enough deeper, I would love it deeper" --> 1,250 other Bungie.net users are saying the same1!? (example)

" Hey, I found a glitch here and there, could you fix that?" ---> "True true.. this is how you do it" ---> " I think it's due to the engine" --> "No it's network coding.. etc"................................

"Bungie we are tired about playing in Completely symetrical map, we think it would be better to get isometrical map, but only if it could be well balanced for Slayer Gametypes..."

" Bungie, the Harder Difficulty in "X" game is not really interesting. The only thing that have changed for the NPCs is the aimging skillz... It would be better to see a smarter AI coming with it or maybe to have the otpion te set the difficulty of both AI & aiming skills for NPCs."

Etc.....

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  • 04.15.2007 12:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

I think that's one of the kinds of posts that are made in pretty much every forum -- why create a separate forum for the same thing we already have? We have the Voting Booth from which Bungie can tell what we love and hate, and the other forums to discuss other things. Rants and criticisms are not locked -- they are allowed to flourish and if the idea holds water, it becomes obvious. If it doesn't, it similarly becomes obvious. I don't see what it is that you think is missing.

  • 04.15.2007 2:34 AM PDT

HBW Knuckles aka Hyrage aka Khris

It was just an idea to regroup the Game critisims in One Forum. It's just an idea...

  • 04.15.2007 3:13 AM PDT

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I think it would be too disorganised and rowdy. I think it's fine just to allow rants, comments of game flaws etc in the appropriate forums (as long as they’re well written and balanced).

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I really hate having to say this so often, but its true;

We really aren't the most mature community and even in the event someone posts real, constructive criticism, it would more than likely be bogged down by whiners with nothing to say.

Not to mention the fact Bungie couldn't use many of the ideas just like they can't use the ideas given in the Halo 3 forum for legal reasons.

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I love how you guys have the Valhalla section in that old thread. I wonder if bungie took that name purposely...

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: Rainman89
Not to mention the fact Bungie couldn't use many of the ideas just like they can't use the ideas given in the Halo 3 forum for legal reasons.

Not true. The terms of use specifically state that by posting an idea here on this site, you are granting Microsoft and Bungie a license to, without limitation, "copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, translate and reformat your Submission; and to publish your name in connection with your submission. No compensation will be paid with respect to the use of your submission . . . ."

Such a clause is necessary in the terms of use, especially on a site like this where ideas are such a huge percentage of the submissions.

  • 04.15.2007 8:28 AM PDT
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So what your saying is, an insult forum....say hello to blacklist and forum rule breaking.

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Posted by: Rainman89
Not to mention the fact Bungie couldn't use many of the ideas just like they can't use the ideas given in the Halo 3 forum for legal reasons.

Not true. The terms of use specifically state that by posting an idea here on this site, you are granting Microsoft and Bungie a license to, without limitation, "copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, translate and reformat your Submission; and to publish your name in connection with your submission. No compensation will be paid with respect to the use of your submission . . . ."

Such a clause is necessary in the terms of use, especially on a site like this where ideas are such a huge percentage of the submissions.


Perhaps I shouldn't have said legal reasons. I recall Frankie saying Bungie won't use ideas from the community for fear of repercussions. I believe what you have is more so that people can't say "Look, I'm the one who came up with that idea, gimme money!"

  • 04.15.2007 9:12 AM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

Why don't you go to the forum specifically about that game.

-Halo 2 Problems - Halo 2 forum
-Halo CE Problems - Halo Forum
-Myth Problems - Bungie Oldschool Games

Go go there, make a thread about the game and your list of problems with the game, and start a discussion with other B.net members.

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  • 04.15.2007 10:22 AM PDT

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Doesn't the Septagon already fill that niche? ...

Seriously though, if you felt there was something wrong with.. Halo 2, for example, you can use the Halo 2 forum. You thought Minotaur sucked because it lacked HDR lighting? Gnop! should've had sub-surface scatter? Rant about it in the Underground! Halo 1 needed better physics? Well, there is a Halo 1 forum..

I see no reason to have a bit "Problems" forum.. However, Whine Cellar is rather clever.

  • 04.15.2007 10:30 AM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

From my perspective, there is already enough whining in the forums to make me go crazy. Now, this is going to be very self-serving (because it comes from my own personal self-interest) a forum dedicated exclusively to whining would actually make me go crazy. It would be replete with inane nonsense, flaming, and just general stupidity. I'd have to ban 30 people a day from there, and I'm sure it would take a significant amount of my moderating time, because I'd have to read and analyze every single ALL CAPS word uttered in that hell.

So, although I understand what you're trying to get at, I really don't want it. Thanks, but no thanks as it were.

There was my two cents.

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Posted by: bacon greese1521
An entire forum of rants? Are you crazy?


No. I would rather focus on what Bungie does right. It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness.

Ask not what Bungie can do for you, but what you can do for Bungie.

  • 04.15.2007 11:35 AM PDT

HBW Knuckles aka Hyrage aka Khris

Posted by: evilcam
From my perspective, there is already enough whining in the forums to make me go crazy. Now, this is going to be very self-serving (because it comes from my own personal self-interest) a forum dedicated exclusively to whining would actually make me go crazy. It would be replete with inane nonsense, flaming, and just general stupidity. I'd have to ban 30 people a day from there, and I'm sure it would take a significant amount of my moderating time, because I'd have to read and analyze every single ALL CAPS word uttered in that hell.

So, although I understand what you're trying to get at, I really don't want it. Thanks, but no thanks as it were.

There was my two cents.


I understand.

Maybe it would be better to name it: "Game Improvement" or "Community Game Ideas" lol

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: Drake Hyrage
I understand.

Maybe it would be better to name it: "Game Improvement" or "Community Game Ideas" lol

The name of the forum is not the problem. The problem is the idea. As everyone has pointed out so far, there are plenty of places to "make suggestons" for the games in their respective forums. Why is it, exactly, that you think that consolidating all complaints and suggestions into one big forum is a good idea?

  • 04.15.2007 6:24 PM PDT