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Poll: "Halo 3 Beta Feedback" Forum Needed  [closed]
I agree:  73%
(36 Votes)
I disagree:  22%
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I'm not in the Beta, so Idc:  4%
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Total Votes: 49

A "Halo 3 Beta" Forum is needed.

What would the forum be? It would be a forum for users to enter and discuss things purely about the Beta. It would clean up the Halo 3 forum a great deal, and generally make the mods' jobs a bit simpler.

Who would be allowed in this forum? Only the mods, and people in the Beta. That's right. The Beta people are really the only ones who can give feedback.

In order to gain access to the forum, a user's bungie.net account passport must be the one used on the gamertag that is signed up for the Beta. If you simply do not have the right accounts set up (like myself) just make a new account with your gamertag as the username with the gamertag's passport for a couple months. Simple.

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  • 04.14.2007 7:55 PM PDT
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But;

The Halo 3's activity relies upon Beta threads really, without the beta or pre-release builds to talk about, it would be pretty vacant.

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Much of the Beta's feedback is gathered automatically from data I believe Achronos said a few weeks ago.

  • 04.14.2007 7:58 PM PDT

Posted by: Pezza
Much of the Beta's feedback is gathered automatically from data I believe Achronos said a few weeks ago.
I think he means more along the lines of gameplay features and other things along those lines.

I can't make up my mind whether or not this would be good. Or possibly make it temporary and just direct all beta threads in there until a couple weeks after the beta is over and then just get rid of it. I don't know.

Bah, whatever. I say go for Yey. It can't hurt and there will always be people complaining about Halo 3 in the Halo 3 Forum.

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Good Point Recon, I would like to add that having a separate forum for the halo 3 beta would make other users feel left out. Even if the members don't have the beta, it will feel like these members that do, are somewhat 'better.' I think it will cause alot of thread creations complaining about how unfair it is to have a forum dedicated for the beta users only.

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The Halo 3 forum should be able to handle all of the Halo 3 Beta Feedback. Once the BETA starts, I will frequent the Halo 3 forum more.

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Agree.

  • 04.16.2007 4:46 AM PDT

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I think that there will be a huge increase in activity in the halo 3 forum regarding the beta. I think that to have a seperate forum to deal with all of this and to help focus it will not be neccessary as the majority of people will only be talking about the beta. Therefore, i see no benefit of a seperate forum to discuss the beta in.

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It probably would have been a good idea to get someone like Achronos (or a mod) to create a chapter for post-Beta discussion, but alas.... no groups.

  • 04.16.2007 5:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
"I think that this feature needs adjustment" one poster would state. And then 3-10 other members would tell them why they are stupid, how low their ranks is, and that they should keep their "obviously inferior opinions to them self."

Personally, I would prefer not to have to patrol those sorts of threads.
Would you patrol them if it was made clear that a banning/warning in the Beta forum means kicking from the Beta? >:]

And Snap Dragon I agree, a Group would have been perfect. [;

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Posted by: Snap Dragon
It probably would have been a good idea to get someone like Achronos (or a mod) to create a chapter for post-Beta discussion, but alas.... no groups.


Groups might come back in April or May. There is a good chance groups will be back.

  • 04.16.2007 5:42 AM PDT

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There is definately no need for it. The overwhelming majority of the purpose is to secure network transmission and server data. This takes place in the background and easily monitored and reported automatically.

Granted, some bugs will pop up on the surface, but the Alpha and internal Beta tests are designed to catch these, and most of them will undoubtedly be found.

A Halo 3 beta forum would simply turn into a "What did you think of this?" or Check out this screen shot!" forum. And if you're simply looking for a place to suggest your weapon and property balance ideas, it hardly holds priority.

  • 04.16.2007 7:02 AM PDT

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I get the impression from Bungie that the only thing they want from us during the Beta is to play the hell out of it. :D

  • 04.16.2007 10:23 AM PDT

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We are considering creating a Halo 3 beta forum. This would be strictly controlled - we'd lock/ban users who tried to do anything other than give beta feedback. We'll see - it depends on a few things.

We couldn't actually lock it down to beta users only, but we would lock it down so you'd have to have a linked gamertag to chat in it. Incidentally, it is likely that Optimatch will be changed to be that way as well sometime this year (TBD).

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Posted by: Achronos
We are considering creating a Halo 3 beta forum. This would be strictly controlled - we'd lock/ban users who tried to do anything other than give beta feedback. We'll see - it depends on a few things.

We couldn't actually lock it down to beta users only, but we would lock it down so you'd have to have a linked gamertag to chat in it. Incidentally, it is likely that Optimatch will be changed to be that way as well sometime this year (TBD).

Uh-oh. Cheehwawa, you won't be able to use your account, you'll have to use the one with the linked tag. I can see various members becoming very irate regarding this.

  • 04.16.2007 12:27 PM PDT

Posted by: Cockburnicus
I think that there will be a huge increase in activity in the halo 3 forum regarding the beta. I think that to have a seperate forum to deal with all of this and to help focus it will not be neccessary as the majority of people will only be talking about the beta. Therefore, i see no benefit of a seperate forum to discuss the beta in.


If they don't make a forum for it I think they will either make a sticky thread, or just outlaw it from the Halo 3 forum....then it would all move to the flood forum.
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Posted by: Achronos
We couldn't actually lock it down to beta users only, but we would lock it down so you'd have to have a linked gamertag to chat in it. Incidentally, it is likely that Optimatch will be changed to be that way as well sometime this year (TBD).


yeah....I like that. We do that in the Shadowrun Beta. It's quite handy. You know for a fact that you're talking to people who are in the beta, and no one else.

And, with such a relatively small userbase, there are much much less spam threads.

Also, I think that you HAVE to have your GT linked if you got in in the first thing or with the rule of three bs. With Crackdown you wouldn't have to of course.

  • 04.16.2007 2:08 PM PDT

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To state the obvious, I'm thinking it should be removed shortly after the beta is done (give people enough time to get their two cents in). Seeing as we had hundreds of thread about the beta, who was getting in, etc then I definitely think we should have a forum for it when it actually comes out. I'm eager to see what people think about it.. since I still don't have a 360 :D

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We couldn't actually lock it down to beta users only, but we would lock it down so you'd have to have a linked gamertag to chat in it. Incidentally, it is likely that Optimatch will be changed to be that way as well sometime this year (TBD).

Make a linked gamertag mandatory and create a script to check that at least 1 beta game has been played, by dialing into the beta stat system?

  • 04.16.2007 2:53 PM PDT

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To state the obvious, I'm thinking it should be removed shortly after the beta is done (give people enough time to get their two cents in). Seeing as we had hundreds of thread about the beta, who was getting in, etc then I definitely think we should have a forum for it when it actually comes out. I'm eager to see what people think about it.. since I still don't have a 360 :D

Good point.

However, IMO a discussion thread is a lousy place for beta-test feedback. If someone wants to report a bug, then the reporting is far more efficient if it is one-way (with some sort of acknowledgment). The real risk of asking players to "tell us what you think" is that far too many gamers who consider themselves closet designers/critics are going to expect their criticisms and/or ideas to be addressed/implemented without delay or question.

I think a great deal of the post Halo 2 furor resulted from people getting pre-production glimpses, talking about their ideas and concepts in a Bungie forum, and then feeling as if they were ignored when the game envisioned and anticipated in their imagination was not what came on the disk. "We told them what we wanted...." "They promised us....." and so on.

I think that a significant percentage of people playing the Beta are not listening (or understanding) all of the warnings of "this is not the final product, this is a test revision of the game, this is NOT a demo..." and will find fault and "flaws" in the Beta because they are expecting a sneak peek of the final game.

Similarly, I think that another significant percentage of Beta participants are rubbing their hands together because "finally Bungie has gotten smart and is going to listen to what I tell them the game should be, and I am DEFINITELY going to tell them...."

Neither of which are (at least my understanding) the intent or purpose of the Beta. But to those two types of gamers... that is what they want it to be, so that it what it is.

Discussion threads would be horrible ways to process feedback from those groups. It would be much like the Halo 3 forum is now, only with the added urgency of "I need to tell them my ideas/thoughts/opinion now, before it is too late". And the attacks/defenses that would occur in a discussion thread.

If there is a forum, or thread that is made for this, I will do my job and moderate it as directed..... but I am able to foresee the powder-keg that is could be.


I do agree, although I feel that this will happen regardless of the beta. Halo 2 had no such playable demo and, although you mentioned the point regarding the forum, people claimed that the trailer was better, in similar way that several fans claim the pre-release screen shots and videos show discouraging gameplay.

This, I feel, is the biggest problem. I believe that it's not that they voice their opinions and didn't get them implemented, it's that they feel that it's "their" game.

My point may be obscure, but the best way to describe it to you is to relate other developers. Many other studios do not have the open and free-range communication that Bungie.net has. Grudges aside, such forums like Epic's GoW forum don't even come close to the amount of freedom the members have here. I have heard stories of people being banned simply for their input on the game. Now, I'm sure there were exaggerations on this, but I don't believe the claims were too far from the truth.

Bungie.net, on the other hand, not only allows the sharing of ideas, but encourages it, within the bounds of normality, of course. What users have to understand, however, is that they are merely sharing their ideas, not actually giving input on the game. I'm positive that many members do not quite grasp this fully. Every now and then you read a post regarding whether or not Bungie Studios Employees actually reads what goes on in the forums. While I know they do on occaisions, I know that it is much more rare for them to seriously consider those ideas.

It seems that this behavior that we both see is a result of the mission of Bungie.net forums rather than the forums themselves.

Am I making sense? I may have just restated what you said, but I find it true none-the-less.

  • 04.16.2007 2:59 PM PDT

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if you make a beta thread for feedback HIDE IT!!! only let group users know about it or put a link here. that way there will be more decent/on-track threads and more actual 'feedback' beside "i hate this! you suck bungie!"

i would like to see a way to report bugs through Xbox Live. since Microsoft Instant messaging is coming to 360, let us type in our problems and perhaps our Save Game video. there, direct feedback!

i'll personally help if possible. people can send my Gamertag, e-mail, bungie login, a message and i will give Bungie the actual problems/feedback/whatever. no problem! anything to help make this game better, i really dont wanna see a Gears of War or Rainbow Six Vegas sized dissapointment. Halo 2 dissapointment is as much as i'll allow!

GoW= over-hyped, under developed/no story/terrible weapon system
RS:V= finally a decent game not labeled "rainbow six 3" but not exactly rainbow. if i want to take cover i'll put in GRAW
Halo 2= took too long to come out/ postponed too many times (just give us TBD) / battle rifle looked so good in demo... / campaign wasnt as good as Halo 1 (not that it stood a chance) <-- (by the way, i still loved Halo 2!)

please let Halo 3 be good! dont go too overboard, shield and trip mines look fine and keeping them limited like instant camo and overshield= plus! but dont think too hard and ruin halo, please! i trust everything will go good though. im loving Valhalla more each day, the thought of playing something out of H1 is exciting beyond belief!


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Edit:Nevermind, its been clarified.

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Posted by: Achronos
We are considering creating a Halo 3 beta forum. This would be strictly controlled - we'd lock/ban users who tried to do anything other than give beta feedback. We'll see - it depends on a few things.

We couldn't actually lock it down to beta users only, but we would lock it down so you'd have to have a linked gamertag to chat in it. Incidentally, it is likely that Optimatch will be changed to be that way as well sometime this year (TBD).


Um.... maybe if you lock the Halo 3: Beta forum, so that only people lucky enough to get into the Beta could use, it, but others could read it? So we know whats going on in Halo 3.

I have no problem with locking it, for posting, just not viewing. Yeah, Optimatch needs to be locked to linked gamertags, as a large amount of people probably don't even have XBL, and post there.

  • 04.16.2007 4:45 PM PDT

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