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Subject: Should the moderators turn a blind eye to the Halo 3 forum?
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It seems to me that the moderators are fighting a losing battle in the Halo 3 Forum. Everyday there are massive amounts of repeated threads and spam, flaming and trolling. Therefore, the moderators should just turn a blind eye to the Halo 3 Forum. Let it go to waste; it will be much easier on everybody in the end. The mods wouldn't have to worry about moderating the Halo 3 Forum, and normal members could have free reign of the forum, something that no user would object to. This would be a great way to make everyone happy.

  • 04.15.2007 12:35 AM PDT

Are you -blam!- serious?! If anything they should be more "agressive" in the Halo 3 Forum. I agree that it's not in the best condition, but getting rid of all Ninja presence would only make the problem worse. It's better to keep it semi-withstandable as opposed to a "craphole".

  • 04.15.2007 12:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Lokistaman
It seems to me that the moderators are fighting a losing battle in the Halo 3 Forum. Everyday there are massive amounts of repeated threads and spam, flaming and trolling. Therefore, the moderators should just turn a blind eye to the Halo 3 Forum. Let it go to waste; it will be much easier on everybody in the end. The mods wouldn't have to worry about moderating the Halo 3 Forum, and normal members could have free reign of the forum, something that no user would object to. This would be a great way to make everyone happy.


No, Ninjas never give up...

  • 04.15.2007 12:40 AM PDT

Good, bad, I'm the guy with the clichéd lines.

Every forum should be moderated. Except for ones where normal people can't post. Or maybe they should to keep frankie in line, haha. Just kidding.

  • 04.15.2007 12:44 AM PDT

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Uh, no.. not really.

  • 04.15.2007 12:54 AM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

I don't think that's really an option. If that forum wasn't moderated, it would be bad. Nothing but flaming and shock sites would result form abandoning the Halo 3 forum. If something is problematic, you don't just give up on it, you persist until its manageable. I don't know if the Halo 3 forum could be described as "manageable" yet, but I refuse to give up on it.

Its not really that bad anyway. It has been in the past, and will be in the future, much worse. But, even that does not compare to how bad it would be if there was no moderation. Trust me, you don't want it to go that far.

I actually just relaxed my moderating in that forum. By that, I mean I decided to be a little less strict. Now that they know when the beta is coming out, I'll let them discuss it more in depth. I'll only lock it ifs a severely repeated topic. Or, of course, if it breaks another rule. Because of that, I had hoped that it would placate a lot of you now that you could discuss things that you couldn't discuss before. Although, it looks like that's not enough. I know that I can't please everyone, so I don't even try to. But, if you all think its in need of stricter moderating, I may step it up again. We'll see.


Of course, I can only speak for myself. The other moderators can, and will do whatever they want in order to do their job effectively.


[Edited on 04.15.2007 12:58 AM PDT]

  • 04.15.2007 12:57 AM PDT

I am a Floodian

Besides ninjas can't loose, cause, they're ninjas. Its not that bad I'm sure...

  • 04.15.2007 1:04 AM PDT

SB-117

That would sort of defeat the purpose of having moderators in the first place.

  • 04.15.2007 1:19 AM PDT
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There is only 1 problem with the Halo 3 forum in my opinion.

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  • 04.15.2007 1:32 AM PDT
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Seems to me the Halo 3 forums are actually relatively mellow right now. The moderators are doing well.

  • 04.15.2007 1:32 AM PDT
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Cops should do this.

-TGP-

  • 04.15.2007 2:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: Lokistaman
It seems to me that the moderators are fighting a losing battle in the Halo 3 Forum. Everyday there are massive amounts of repeated threads and spam, flaming and trolling. Therefore, the moderators should just turn a blind eye to the Halo 3 Forum. Let it go to waste; it will be much easier on everybody in the end. The mods wouldn't have to worry about moderating the Halo 3 Forum, and normal members could have free reign of the forum, something that no user would object to. This would be a great way to make everyone happy.

To start, this idea seems so far out-of-wack with common sense that I must question whether it is serious. But I will assume that it is because it's late at night and I am bored. So to get to it:

I must disagree with several of your contentions. First, the moderators are not "fighting a losing battle." The forum is well-moderated and although the problems you mention are indeed most prevalent in the H3 forum, the moderators keep a good eye on things and most of the threads that are the worst violations of the rules are locked and the worst members are blacklisted consistently. While the amount of bad posting in the forum is bound to increase as Halo 3's launch nears, I do not see this in itself as a reason to cease all moderation.

To this end, I highly disagree with you that most "normal members" would not object to a lack of forum moderation. Not only do the forum "regulars" love to discuss Halo 3, but most people new to bungie.net are joining so that they can head over to the Halo 3 forum to discuss the game. If the thread were a haven for spam, flames, and trolling, these new members would be deterred not only from the forum, but from the site itself. The more mature and regular members would avoid the forum as well, thus cutting off a very popular topic of discussion to the people who use the site the most. In that respect, you most certainly do not speak for the community in your erroneous contention that none of us would object to a lack of moderation in the Halo 3 forum.

But moreover, I think that you and indeed anyone who truly cares about seeing Bungie continue to make great video games and other products should affirmatively WANT to see the Halo 3 forum moderated.

This leads, inescapably, to a discussion of the purpose of the site and its forums. You must remember that to almost everybody in the world (quite literally), bungie.net is the face of Bungie Game Studios. For public relations reasons, it is most certainly in Bungie's best interests to have a site that is clean, welcoming, and enjoyable for the general public. A person who comes to the b.net forums and is flamed or spammed every time they try to talk about the next upcoming Bungie game might very realistically be deterred from visiting the site ever again and even from buying the game itself. Who wants to buy a game when they have been ridiculed for discussing it? As ash55 noted, ignoring the Halo 3 forum would defeat the purpose of having moderators.

Bungie has obviously made a business decision that they want their online image to be mature, simple, accessible, and well-managed. There may be a variety of reasons for keeping things mature and intelligent, but I can tell you that at least part of the reason is that the effort is appreciated by a majority of the Community -- those Bungie fans who will help to spread the word about Bungie (and word of mouth is the best form of advertising). The moderators are a big part of this goal, and none of us -- neither you nor I -- are in a position to question Bungie's business decisions.

It may be true that these goals all go towards increasing profits, but that is not necessarily a bad thing at all; what's good for Bungie is good for its fans, and if Bungie has more resources, it can better use its talent to create better products.

So to take this rather broad purpose and narrow it down to the specifics of your post, it becomes clear that Bungie's goals comport with the desires of the majority of the Community (making great video games). As a result, it is in Bungie's AND the community's interest to keep the most popular forum on Bungie more inviting, welcoming, mature, and intelligent.

Therefore, I disagree with your idea.

  • 04.15.2007 2:13 AM PDT

Posted by: x Foman123 x

Therefore, I disagree with your idea.


Glad thats cleared up then. Next idea please...

  • 04.15.2007 2:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: Great_Pretender
Cops should do this.

-TGP-


If only TGP had scruples, this would be fixed...

As has been said (in different words), failure is not an option and we leave no man behind. Giving up on it would simply ruin the chances that one day normal people will be able to inhabit it safely.

  • 04.15.2007 7:57 AM PDT
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Maybe if people actually read the stickies it wouldn't be happening so frequently

  • 04.15.2007 8:32 AM PDT
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The Halo 3 forum has become more of a spammed forum than the Flood. Enforcing more ninjas into that particular forum could improve the situation, but what will happen to the other forums if they focus on the Halo 3 forum most of the time?

  • 04.15.2007 8:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: ash55
That would sort of defeat the purpose of having moderators in the first place.


I agree. There is some sanity there because of mods. It would only get worse without it.

  • 04.15.2007 12:31 PM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

What have you been snorting? Why do you think B.net has moderators? To keep everything running smooth and keep order. Yes, there will be some bigger issues but I don't recall a B.net member beating a moderator on any occasion. If we let the Halo 3 forum go...well...it would get pretty nasty. Moderators get rid of bad members, letting the forum go will breed more bad members therefore ruining the pupose of moderating.

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  • 04.15.2007 1:09 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Batman never gave up on Gotham, why the hell should we give up on the Halo 3 forum?

  • 04.15.2007 1:11 PM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

Yes, Batman is a great Simile to use in this situation. lol

  • 04.15.2007 1:26 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: American Recoil
Yes, Batman is a great Simile to use in this situation. lol


Moderators and Batman have more in common than you think.

For starters, they both wear tights...and probably capes, too!

Oh, and they both fight crime. That is, if you consider spam a form of crime...

  • 04.15.2007 6:21 PM PDT
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GT: Greg Is So Hot

There be an unmoderated board titled Canto XII.

  • 04.15.2007 7:14 PM PDT

He watches every Hodgetwin video they put up...on ALL their channels. He calls them the Hodge Triplets, and considers himself the 3rd triplet. He's started talking and acting like them now. Every other line out of his mouth "Thaaas some BULLLLLL**** maaayne" or "Gotta make dem gainzzzz". He calls his biceps "gains". When he eats post-workout, he talks to his biceps, "Don't worry gains, I'm feeding you. Daddys gonna feed you, gainz *kisses biceps*".

WTF @ the notion that the Halo 3 forum is "out of control." Seriously, there's some good discussion happening in there.

  • 04.15.2007 7:16 PM PDT
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  • 04.15.2007 7:19 PM PDT

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  • 04.15.2007 11:54 PM PDT