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I'm a bit dissatisfied with most everyone's posts in this thread. Lets start from the top and work our way down:

Posted by: Master Kim

Do you honestly expect this to run Halo 2 Vista?
The only reason you can play Halo or Half-Life 2 at such high-resolutions is because the rest of your parts are high-end to make up for your crappy GPU--I'm not even sure if you can categorize your integrated chipset as a video card. Just buy something else. Like a GeForce 7950.


Do you even know anything about the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3000? Yes, it is integrated and probably not as good as many dedicated graphics cards. Having said that, I think you should do a little research and know what exactly you're talking about before you run your mouth... or fingers as the case may be, and make false assumptions. The IGMA X3000 is an extremely improved and unlike previous intel integrated cards before it. It runs Vista's Aero feature on both 32 and 64 bit PC's. Will it be able to run H2V? Who the hell knows? But if you aren't exactly sure, can you really say that it won't? Halo PC, though not as demanding as current games are, runs on integrated graphics chips, despite the lack of T&L, and shader support.

Overall, I'd say the X3000 is a decent chipset for what you pay for it. It offers 8 full-featured unified pipelines running at 667 MHz. This is a quite high clock speed compared to most GPUs, which are generally between 400 MHz (low-end) and 667 (high-end). Intel datasheets say there are 2 pixel pipelines, for total of around 1.33Gpixels/. It can also share up to 384MB of RAM with the computer's CPU.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, computers cannot overcompensate for lack of graphic card power with other components. Like Recoton said, he runs Half-Life 2 fine on relatively high resolution and max settings. Yeah, high RAM and the CPU frequency is extremely nice, but it is not going to run a game by itself. The card is ultimately responsible for that. Looking at the list of games that can run on that chipset, I have to say, like LOL Walmart, that I think Halo 2 Vista will most likely run, though maybe not look the best.

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Yes it wil, read the stickies. ..


Care to explain where the stickies said anything about this class of video processor?


Excellent point static. I don't know about anyone else, but for me, I'm tired of people replying to case specific, hardware "can it run H2V" threads with a form of "read the stickies" in it. Yes, the stickies tell you the minimum requirements of the game... Whoop-dee-doo! Does that help in any way? Obviously not. How can a list of system requirements adequately answer a specific question about meeting those same requirements?

Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Integrated Graphics??? eeeewwwww!!! And where is the "I don't know what stickies!" are option?


Where's the GTFO or GTFU option for people like you?
How can the stickies help? He even said
I have looked at the minimum specs of the game, but I'm still uncertain.

He wants clarification to quell his uncertainty. He knows the minimum requirements already. What would reading them again do for him? Again, the FAQ offers no "case specific" information on the application of the requirements. What is so hard to understand?

And for "Pink-blam!-47''s post, read immediately above ^

Finally, I would like to say that Recoton handled himself excellently in this thread. The best way to deal with national-socialists flamers is to put them in their place. Your question was absolutely reasonable, and I congratulate you on replying in a mature and thoughtful manner and for conducting yourself accordingly.

End outrageous harangue.

Cheers.

[Edited on 04.25.2007 12:58 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Recoton007
Hi everyone,

I'm new to the Bungie forums, however, I am not new to Halo games. I was wondering if anyone could help me out to tell me whether my computer will support Halo 2 Vista.
-Recoton007

Posted by: Recoton007
I am worried about the Intel GMA X3000 integrated chipset.

And I didn't read the stickies? You are not only the one who made this "Can my computer run it?" thread, but mentioned it in your post.

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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
And I didn't read the stickies? You are not only the one who made this "Can my computer run it?" thread, but mentioned it in your post.


While the name of the topic is "Will My Computer Support Halo 2 Vista?", the real question beneath the title is, "Will the Intel GMA X3000 Support Halo 2 Vista." While the subject title is broad, the actual thread content is very focused, and I have yet to find an answer for it. Hopefully the soon to be released demo of Halo 2 Vista will answer my question. While it is a sure solution to my question, I was hoping that there would be someone who could give me a definite answer before release of the demo. But as of this point, I'm just getting "Maybes" and "I don't knows."

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Posted by: LOL WALMART
yeah intel intergrated GPU's are getting better but if you read the reviews, they all say that intergrated is not enough yet.

most likely it WILL run it, i honestly dont see why not

Here you go, found your answer for you.

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Posted by: Bungie Jumping
I'm a bit dissatisfied with most everyone's posts in this thread. Lets start from the top and work our way down:

Posted by: Master Kim

Do you honestly expect this to run Halo 2 Vista?
The only reason you can play Halo or Half-Life 2 at such high-resolutions is because the rest of your parts are high-end to make up for your crappy GPU--I'm not even sure if you can categorize your integrated chipset as a video card. Just buy something else. Like a GeForce 7950.


Do you even know anything about the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3000? Yes, it is integrated and probably not as good as many dedicated graphics cards. Having said that, I think you should do a little research and know what exactly you're talking about before you run your mouth... or fingers as the case may be, and make false assumptions. The IGMA X3000 is an extremely improved and unlike previous intel integrated cards before it. It runs Vista's Aero feature on both 32 and 64 bit PC's. Will it be able to run H2V? Who the hell knows? But if you aren't exactly sure, can you really say that it won't? Halo PC, though not as demanding as current games are, runs on integrated graphics chips, despite the lack of T&L, and shader support.

Overall, I'd say the X3000 is a decent chipset for what you pay for it. It offers 8 full-featured unified pipelines running at 667 MHz. This is a quite high clock speed compared to most GPUs, which are generally between 400 MHz (low-end) and 667 (high-end). Intel datasheets say there are 2 pixel pipelines, for total of around 1.33Gpixels/. It can also share up to 384MB of RAM with the computer's CPU.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, computers cannot overcompensate for lack of graphic card power with other components. Like Recoton said, he runs Half-Life 2 fine on relatively high resolution and max settings. Yeah, high RAM and the CPU frequency is extremely nice, but it is not going to run a game by itself. The card is ultimately responsible for that. Looking at the list of games that can run on that chipset, I have to say, like LOL Walmart, that I think Halo 2 Vista will most likely run, though maybe not look the best.
Perhaps I exaggerated, and you're most definitely right, but what if he didn't have a kickass system to go along with his integrated chipset? Do you think he could max Half-Life 2 or Halo at 1280 X 1024 now? Yeah, I know that the GPU is among the most important factoring hardware when it comes to rendering images on screen, and Half-Life 2 doesn't take much to run compared to other games. Perhaps I let the fact that he alone mentioned "Intel integrated chipset" made me automatically assume that his machine was going to run like crap, and that is indeed my fault. But I don't believe that the X3000 is that good. One of the only thing integrated chipsets are good for is most likely running games just for performance--in some games you can't get the exact same high quality of visuals even if you max the settings as a high-end card. I could make my brother's laptop run C&C Generals and it wouldn't look as good as it does on mine even if he maxed out the settings.

Like I said, maybe it will run, just not as good as you'd might like it to.

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Posted by: ImSpartacus
pfff. u disappoint me. for all u kno, he could be feeding u -blam!- out his ass and u just ate it up. i admit, he seems knowledgable, but that doesnt stop him from playing a joke.


No joke. What would I have to gain by exaggerating the strengths of the X3000? Besides, can you really exaggerate the x3000? I mean its the best integrated chipset out there, to my knowledge, but that doesn't mean that it can in any way compare to a $150+ videocard. It's mediocre at best, so I know there is practically no chance that H2V can run on max settings with high framerates. However, I want to know if ill be able to play it lagless, or semi-lagless, on minimum graphics and resolution. If that is possible, then my hopes will be answered. If not, well I guess I'll buy the ATI Radeon 512MB X1950 XTX during the summer, when the price is expected to dip a little, from the current $400 retail price.

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Posted by: ImSpartacus
just dont spend more than 200 dollars unless youre getting dx10, pls. i will lose sleep over it.


Wait a sec, what do you mean unless you're getting dx10? Don't you get dx10 automatically when you upgrade to vista? I have dx10 now with the intel GMA, and I will definitely be using dx10 in the future.

The reason I was considering the x1950xtx is because it has crossfire, so I can always go dual when I need to. I want to be able to run every game that comes out in the next 4 years with max settings no lag. You still think I should only get the x1950pro, which was my second option, because it also has crossfire and can be upgraded when needed? I'm curious as to what you think about the two cards, so when I get a new videocard in July, it will be a careful choice rather than a hasty one.

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Posted by: ImSpartacus

lol i was talking about bungie jumping going all fanboy on us and spewing out specs n stuff, lol. i understand your position. and your pc is nice other than the -blam!- mobo.


Bungie Jumping going "fanboy"? Please, elaborate on that comment, I haven't a clue what you mean. If you are at all stating that I am an Intel integrated chipset fanboy, then you, my friend, are sadly mistaken. I just felt that in order to properly convey a manner of speaking, and to give an opinion on the matter, some research was required.

Judging by my previous posts on this forum, I'm somewhat agape to your suggestion that I would be feeding everyone a lie and just "joking." I have all the relavent data on my side, and the proper, credible sources to back it up. If you don't believe me, look it up yourself on one of these. As it stands, I resent that remark -_-

If you are in fact being facetious, then so be it. If not, and are being a bit disdainful, then I have to say, the last statement to your first post on this thread is true. You've participated in the trial program for Bungie Jumping's school of hard knocks. We regret to inform you that we cannot make accommodations for you at this tame. Please take this .gif as a token of our gratitude. Better luck next time =P

Oh, and btw: i will have to add that a 667 Mhz core is just a heat producing death warrent if u dont have enough piplines to shove all that information through. and since cards like the 7950gt are packing 24 pixel pipelines, the x3000 isnt looking too hot. Either this is a mistaken conundrum, or a sad excuse for a pun--"...just a heat producting death warrent," and "the x3000 isn't looking too hot." Silly.

Cheers.

[Edited on 04.25.2007 8:36 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Recoton007
Posted by: ImSpartacus
just dont spend more than 200 dollars unless youre getting dx10, pls. i will lose sleep over it.


Wait a sec, what do you mean unless you're getting dx10? Don't you get dx10 automatically when you upgrade to vista? I have dx10 now with the intel GMA, and I will definitely be using dx10 in the future.

The reason I was considering the x1950xtx is because it has crossfire, so I can always go dual when I need to. I want to be able to run every game that comes out in the next 4 years with max settings no lag. You still think I should only get the x1950pro, which was my second option, because it also has crossfire and can be upgraded when needed? I'm curious as to what you think about the two cards, so when I get a new videocard in July, it will be a careful choice rather than a hasty one.


According to the specs on that chipset, you do not have DX10. Sorry. Besides, Halo 2 is built to mainly use DX 9.

This is a crazy discussion over an integrated graphics board. I'm looking at the specs right now, and it's just twice as fast as the previous chipsets, and it has shaders now. To me it sounds good, but it's integrated, and integrated will not be good for a long time. If you want to run every game in the next four years with max settings got with no lag, get the GeForce 8800 GTX or the Radeon X2900 XTX when it comes out. Don't buy a current gen card and expect it to blast every game in four years.




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Posted by: vincent5
[According to the specs on that chipset, you do not have DX10. Sorry. Besides, Halo 2 is built to mainly use DX 9.


I know for a fact that my computer has DX10. When I run the dxdiag, under the directx version it says "Direct X10." As opposed to my pre-vista upgrade it read "Direct X9.0c." I never heard of the Radeon X2900xtx. I'll look a little more into it, but it sounds like its going to be a little over my budget cap.

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Actually, if you buy any card expecting it to run all games on max settings for the next four years you are delusional. For example the best card 4 years ago would be a 9800 pro, try running STALKER on it at max settings and it simply will not happen, hell even an 8800 GTX would have trouble at max settings. Another example would be the devlopers of crysis stated that even SLI 8800 GTXs would not be able to max the game when it came out, I don't think an 8800 GTX will last 4 years if you expect max settings.

Moving on, everyone really needs to drop the whole MHz in graphics cards metric because it's as useless as it is in the CPU realm. MHz alone continues to not tell us anything about the architecture behind the chipset. A good and in fact great example would be Nvidia's dx10 series compared to AMD's dx10 series compared to intel integrated series I can guarantee that clock per clock all the pipelines and stream processors in each perform differently. Again this is a poor metric.

Also on this note pipelines/stream processors are also a very poor metric to compare GPUs to as each operates in a different way and thus requires a different number of them to perform at certain speeds. This can only be used with cards of the same series ex: 8800 GTX compared to the GTS.

Posted by: Recoton007
Posted by: vincent5
[According to the specs on that chipset, you do not have DX10. Sorry. Besides, Halo 2 is built to mainly use DX 9.


I know for a fact that my computer has DX10. When I run the dxdiag, under the directx version it says "Direct X10." As opposed to my pre-vista upgrade it read "Direct X9.0c." I never heard of the Radeon X2900xtx. I'll look a little more into it, but it sounds like its going to be a little over my budget cap.


Thats the software version of Directx that windows is currently using. I know this is true because you can go to any updated XP computer regardless of GPU and get dx9.0c. There is a reason you never heard of the x2900XTX which is there is no such product ;) .

[Edited on 04.25.2007 9:01 PM PDT]

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Posted by: staticx576
Actually, if you buy any card expecting it to run all games on max settings for the next four years you are delusional. For example the best card 4 years ago would be a 9800 pro, try running STALKER on it at max settings and it simply will not happen, hell even an 8800 GTX would have trouble at max settings. Another example would be the devlopers of crysis stated that even SLI 8800 GTXs would not be able to max the game when it came out, I don't think an 8800 GTX will last 4 years if you expect max settings.


I was going to buy a card that supported crossfire, so that if I wanted to play a game 4 years in the future on max settings, I would just need to get another of the same card.

Posted by: staticx576
There is a reason you never heard of the x2900XTX which is there is no such product ;) .


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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

If a game this year cant be maxed on SLI 8800 GTXs dont expect them to be able to do it four years from now. :\

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Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Technically it's called the AMD HD 2900XT, and yes technically there is no such product.....yet.

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to answer your question, YES, the intel chipset will most likely be supported, i don't see why it wouldn't be.
a lot of games say they require some sort of gpu by nvidia or ati because thats whats recommended and thats what they were tested on.
most games run on volari gpus and intel gma systems they just fail to mention that because they aren't that big in the graphics industry.

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Yeah, I was telling him he should wait until ATI releases their DX10 card, and get that. He did mention he wanted Crossfire.

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Does Halo 2 Vista take hold of Dual core processors? I have a Core 2 Duo 1.83ghz Dual core with a ATI X1800 video card 2GB ram, Vista etc.... I sure hope they built this game to use 2 cores.

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Posted by: ImSpartacus
Posted by: Master Kim
Perhaps I exaggerated, and you're most definitely right, but what if he didn't have a kickass system to go along with his integrated chipset? Do you think he could max Half-Life 2 or Halo at 1280 X 1024 now? Yeah, I know that the GPU is among the most important factoring hardware when it comes to rendering images on screen, and Half-Life 2 doesn't take much to run compared to other games. Perhaps I let the fact that he alone mentioned "Intel integrated chipset" made me automatically assume that his machine was going to run like crap, and that is indeed my fault. But I don't believe that the X3000 is that good. One of the only thing integrated chipsets are good for is most likely running games just for performance--in some games you can't get the exact same high quality of visuals even if you max the settings as a high-end card. I could make my brother's laptop run C&C Generals and it wouldn't look as good as it does on mine even if he maxed out the settings.

Like I said, maybe it will run, just not as good as you'd might like it to.


pfff. u disappoint me. for all u kno, he could be feeding u -blam!- out his ass and u just ate it up. i admit, he seems knowledgable, but that doesnt stop him from playing a joke.
He doesn't need to pull this out of his ass, retard, I already know most of it. Like you're any less ignorant.

By the way, click here before it's too late. Oh, and stop posting more than once in a row.

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

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Posted by: Frnksnbns
Technically it's called the AMD HD 2900XT, and yes technically there is no such product.....yet.


yes, but xt and xtx are very different. the xtx does not exist at all. the xt does, its just not released. i didnt kno they awere called 'HD 2900' i thought it was just x2900. i guess i learned somethin new, lol.


There are two models the XT and XTX... that IS true.

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Posted by: staticx576
Posted by: ImSpartacus
Posted by: Frnksnbns
Technically it's called the AMD HD 2900XT, and yes technically there is no such product.....yet.


yes, but xt and xtx are very different. the xtx does not exist at all. the xt does, its just not released. i didnt kno they awere called 'HD 2900' i thought it was just x2900. i guess i learned somethin new, lol.


There are two models the XT and XTX... that IS true.

Yep, sure is.

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