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Dude, do you really think that the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3000 will support Direct X10. Just beacuse it calims doesnt mean it does. I mean, it's INTEGRATED!!!! As for the other parts sure.

http://www.gamesforwindows.com/en-US/Games/Pages/Halo2forWind owsVista.aspx

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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Yes, see it says a small number of games. This is no "small" game and even though it is forcing you rather bluntly to make an OS swith, it still is trying to appeal to a large group. Including that would be crushing to the reception of the game, and with as many technologically uniformative people are in this world, that wouldn't be a very smart move. But I could be wrong, as I am not working in M$ marketing, nor am I creating or publishing the game.


I guess there is no "small" game, but I think that intel was refering to a small number of games, not some small "insignificant" games. Some of the games that are included in this "small" unsupported group, are games such as Oblivion and COD2, which are actually considered to be very BIG games. These two games don't work because they specifically check for T&L support from the chipset. The key problem with the x3000 is that it does not actually support T&L, but it emulates it well. Because of this problem, there are a "small" (or large depending on how you look at it) number of games that don't work. Hopefully Halo 2 Vista will not be in this small group, or else I will smash my fist right through my Dell Flat-Panel 17" Ultrasharp LCD. If anyone has any info, we at the Intel community would appreciate it.

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Dude, do you really think that the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3000 will support Direct X10. Just beacuse it calims doesnt mean it does. I mean, it's INTEGRATED!!!! As for the other parts sure.

http://www.gamesforwindows.com/en-US/Games/Pages/Halo2forWind owsVista.aspx


I know that every part of my computer is above recommended, except for the integrated card. However, do NOT underestimate the x3000. It is widely accepted as the best integrated card on the market. I'm not sure whether it supports DX10, but it claims that it does, to some extent.

According to the poll, the game should be supported by my computer, but should also experience lag under medium to high settings.

  • 04.29.2007 9:51 AM PDT
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I agree with the X3000 being one of the best Integrated cards out there.

Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, ~2.0GHz
Memory: 2048MB DDR2 RAM @ 633mhz + 1GB Vista Ready Boost from Flash drive
Hard Drive: 74 GB
Video Card: ATI Radeon X1300 Pro Series 256MB
Monitor: Dell E773c 17' CRT Monitor
Sound Card: SigmaTel HD Audio

I can run Halo with all high settings and get around 80-100 fps even while getting hit by a grenade. I can play Counter-Strike:Source on all high settings and get 60-80 FPS normally and get 30fps while going through 20 smoke grenades. So I should be fine right?

  • 04.29.2007 4:15 PM PDT
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i wish halo 2 wasnt only for vist =,(

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Posted by: Darman_the rock
i wish halo 2 wasnt only for vist =,(


It isn't; it's for Xbox as well =P

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Posted by: Bungie Jumping
It isn't; it's for Xbox as well =P
Zing!

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Lol.

Yeah...that's the only thing I have to say in this post.

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OMFG. To everyone who has the X3000, thank goodness there is a light at the end of the tunnel. For months I have been searching forums for a way to fix my chipset, so that it can actually support T&L and Vertex shading. I actually found something, an article from the 8th of this past March, from a site I have never heard about previously.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31176/135/

if you're too lazy to click the button and view this groundbreaking material (probably only exciting to those owning the G965), well then here is the content.

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Intel to improve video, vertex shading in its IGCs
Hardware
By Humphrey Cheung
Thursday, March 08, 2007 09:51
Recommend article:
San Francisco (CA) - Intel is trying to convince entry-level gamers to accept integrated graphics with a new hardware vertex shader for its G965 graphics chip. At the Game Developers Conference in San Francisco, the company showed off some demos of popular first person shooters on the chip and also challenged journalists to pick out the integrated graphics-powered computer against a computer running a discrete card.

Nick Knupffer, PR Manager for Intel, showed off a beta hardware vertex driver that should speed up many first-person shooters. Time demos of Call of Duty 2 and Half-Life 2 Episode One were played and we saw that the G965 chip averaged around 30 to 60 frames per second. We did notice a few cases of slowness during some of the more complicated scenes, but Knupffer told us that this "Four dollar" integrated solution would still please most people.

Knupffer was quick to point out that integrated still won't replace discrete graphics cards anytime soon and added, "People who need extra power will still buy a discrete card." He also said that Intel is positioning the G965 graphics chip at running the most popular games, not necessarily the most graphically intensive games.

But the G965 isn't just getting a breath of fresh air on the games front. Company reps also showed us improved video de-interlacing with its ClearVideo technology. In a side-by-side comparison with a similarly configured computer running an ATI X1600 chip, an Intel integrated graphics-powered computer showed less jaggies and smooth playback in the HQV flag demo.

Knupffer told us that premium video players like Cyberlink can call up special routines in the chip to enhance video playback. We were quite surprised at how prominent the jaggies were on the discrete ATI X1600-powered machine and we quickly verified that it was using the latest Catalyst drivers and that the video file was the same format, resolution and size.

The new driver is in the final testing stages and Intel plans on releasing it on the company website soon.

As previously reported, the G965 chipset will be supporting DirectX 10.

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That's right you intel customers, who have been slamming your heads through your monitors because you keep getting the "I'm sorry, but your videocard doesn't have T&L," there is finally hope. The Intel guys aren't sitting on their "bottoms" but they are actually working (rather slowly) on new beta drivers that are set to come out sometime between now and the beginning of June. That means you guys can actually run Call of duty 2 and Oblivion! i know everyone who's reading this is saying, "Sooo...we've been playing those games for the past year." Well, this is a HUGE breakthrough. All I have to say now about this to those guys at Intel "Keep up the work, and don't stop the momentum!!! You've let us down alot, here's the chance to make up for it. Get your deadlines on time, or we'll come down to your offices and bang on the door."

  • 04.29.2007 5:59 PM PDT
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like i said before though intergrated just isnt enough for the demands of current and up comming games

TBH i will stick with GPUs

[Edited on 04.29.2007 6:02 PM PDT]

  • 04.29.2007 6:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recoton007
I guess there is no "small" game, but I think that intel was refering to a small number of games, not some small "insignificant" games. Some of the games that are included in this "small" unsupported group, are games such as Oblivion and COD2, which are actually considered to be very BIG games.

No, now your just trying to be a show off. *Look at me I can explain things so a 4 year old can understand.* I know what you are trying to say, but to be honest, who cares? If you are unsure about whether or not it will work, you asked us, The Maw, you have gotten loads of responses. If you are just not taking the cue of which one and don't want to deal with the heart ache of it possibly not working, then pony up and buy a Dedicated GPU.

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Posted by: Knight0319
I agree with the X3000 being one of the best Integrated cards out there.

Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, ~2.0GHz
Memory: 2048MB DDR2 RAM @ 633mhz + 1GB Vista Ready Boost from Flash drive
Hard Drive: 74 GB
Video Card: ATI Radeon X1300 Pro Series 256MB
Monitor: Dell E773c 17' CRT Monitor
Sound Card: SigmaTel HD Audio

I can run Halo with all high settings and get around 80-100 fps even while getting hit by a grenade. I can play Counter-Strike:Source on all high settings and get 60-80 FPS normally and get 30fps while going through 20 smoke grenades. So I should be fine right?

I'd recommend getting a new graphics card, but other than that, you should be fine.

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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Posted by: Recoton007
I guess there is no "small" game, but I think that intel was refering to a small number of games, not some small "insignificant" games. Some of the games that are included in this "small" unsupported group, are games such as Oblivion and COD2, which are actually considered to be very BIG games.

No, now your just trying to be a show off. *Look at me I can explain things so a 4 year old can understand.* I know what you are trying to say, but to be honest, who cares? If you are unsure about whether or not it will work, you asked us, The Maw, you have gotten loads of responses. If you are just not taking the cue of which one and don't want to deal with the heart ache of it possibly not working, then pony up and buy a Dedicated GPU.


I think you misinterpret my reply. What you're quoting is actually the "joke" part. So I guess this is where you laugh and go "? where's the joke?" Well, I was actually making the joke that I believe that when Intel says, doesn't support "a small number of games," I was actually saying that they're all full of c***. What I have to justifiy my claim is a rather small article from their website on the G965. It's a compatibility list of games that work, and games that don't .

http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/intelg965/sb/CS-023 018.htm
in this list alone, there are 17 games that don't work. And these are games, not since the beginning of time and space, but actually games made last year or a little prior. Games like Doom 3 and Prey. There are many games that aren't on the list, because its completely embarassing to both intel and intel gamers alike. Call of duty is not on the list, nor is oblivion, nor is splinter cell:chaos theory. My point there is that intel is full of it, and it's so obvious, its coming out of their ears.

Now, as to why I keep posting, is because I have not found an answer to my question. A definitive answer. I've recieved many responses thoguh. Some say that there is a 99% chance it will perform well. Some say there is no question it can support on max settings no lag. However, others say that integrated is a joke, and that it wont run. Some say "Where's the OMFG poll option" or something along those lines. The truth is that I'm searching for help. I believe that is the point of a forum. To find help. And I am looking for an answer. I am looking for articles to help me. I'm looking for stuff like "Intel announces that H2V will run on G965" or "H2V does not check for Vertex shader or T&L" or even, "Mad Scientist mods G965 to make it a god chipset." I'm looking for concrete information. I'm not looking for some stupid a** response by someone who doesn't know WTF they're talking about. (BTW, that IS NOT YOU, but if you look earlier in this topic, you can see that there are many replies that are completely off the wall.) I appreciate your reply though.

I would like very much to get a dedicated GPU, and relieve this heartache, but my wallet's empty right now. So I'm making do with what I already have. So, until the demo hits the net, or until Tuesday after next, I'll keep posting and digging deeper, and I would appreciate any help I can get from you guys. TY.

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Definite answer: It will run.

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Why?

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Seriously though, there are many people who are confident, but what makes you know that it will run? I honestly have no idea and am open to answers that are based on fact, not on "truthiness." Yes, I felt obligated to throw in a word from the Colbert Report. Seriously, why do you say "yes," against all those people who have said "no."

  • 04.29.2007 8:04 PM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

That is what I respect, very much. But, I really am sad to say, double post. And for your question I will be back in a few.

[Edited on 04.30.2007 11:01 AM PDT]

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While it's a double post, the first post serves to ask the key question and have shock value. While the second post serves to explain a little more on my one word question.

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Posted by: Master Kim
Posted by: No Refunds
ATI makes no sense to me. How can a x700 be better than an x3000? With nvidia you know that if the number is higher, it's better. I have no idea what x3000 is, what it's capable of, and I would guess simply by its name it's better. ATI needs to learn how to name products.


Video Card: Intel GraphicsMediaAccelerator X3000 (integrated) (DX10 Support)Just where in there does it say "ATI Radeon X3000"?

Ok, time to end this thread.

No Refunds, please do not speak on that of which you do not know. Higher numbers =/= better video cards. The X300 series are newer, better, and benchmark A HELL of a lot better than the X1000 series. I have an X1600XT 512VRAM PCI-E and it benchmarks like s*** when compared to the X800.

Also, I will note to change the sticky as well. Anything integrated = automatic fail. End of story. Your question has been answered.

[Edited on 04.30.2007 4:50 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Ok, time to end this thread.

No Refunds, please do not speak on that of which you do not know. Higher numbers =/= better video cards. The X300 series are newer, better, and benchmark A HELL of a lot better than the X4000 series. I have an X1600XT 512VRAM PCI-E and it benchmarks like s*** when compared to the X800.

Also, I will note to change the sticky as well. Anything integrated = automatic fail. End of story. Your question has been answered.
Now, now, Agamemnon, let's not be reckless or in haste. Did you read the entire thread?

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I confess. No. : ( Am I missing something crucial?

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Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
I confess. No. : ( Am I missing something crucial?
A little bit. This guy is saying he can run Half-Life 2 maxed out at 1280 X 1024 with a smooth frame rate.

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http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/applnots/313343.htm

Yeah, with a integrated DX10 next-gen chip, I would think so.

Maybe posting the computer you bought next time would clear up the question quicker? What do you have? A Voodoo?

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It still ain't no GeForce 7950, so I think he's better off with an actual GPU.

  • 04.30.2007 6:11 PM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

Yeah dedicated is better.

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Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Posted by: Master Kim
Posted by: No Refunds
ATI makes no sense to me. How can a x700 be better than an x3000? With nvidia you know that if the number is higher, it's better. I have no idea what x3000 is, what it's capable of, and I would guess simply by its name it's better. ATI needs to learn how to name products.


Video Card: Intel GraphicsMediaAccelerator X3000 (integrated) (DX10 Support)Just where in there does it say "ATI Radeon X3000"?

Ok, time to end this thread.

No Refunds, please do not speak on that of which you do not know. Higher numbers =/= better video cards. The X300 series are newer, better, and benchmark A HELL of a lot better than the X1000 series. I have an X1600XT 512VRAM PCI-E and it benchmarks like s*** when compared to the X800.

Also, I will note to change the sticky as well. Anything integrated = automatic fail. End of story. Your question has been answered.


You should definitely read the entire thread, so you can better understand the strengths and weaknesses of the x3000. The post that you're quoting is actually from someone who completely misread the thread, and thought that the Intel GMA X3000 is the ATI X3000, if there is even such a thing. This comment was just wrong, and if you read a little further, you can see how embarassed No Refunds was after he realized his error. I agree with you that larger numbers does not mean better strength, but I disagree with you on your last point. Integrated no longer = automatic fail, and I believe that there might be some chance that the game runs. This will be known for a fact on Tuesday.

Also, I find it interesting how certain everyone is in their answers. If you read one guy's post from yesterday, he said that it will certainly run, and you are saying that it will certainly fail. How do you guys come to your conclusions? Why are you guys so certain? If there are any facts or articles that I am missing, please post them so I can be better educated in these matters, because right now I am certain that I don't know whether that it will run or not. Just look at the poll in the beginning of the article. It's basically a seven-ten split. Would appreciate a reply. TY

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