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This is bull-blam!-. Bungie is just trying to create media buzz. For one thing, not all playlists require the new maps. The autoupdate could be implemented, and everyone could play. Second of all, if my memory is correct, when other maps were released you could attempt to play any playlist you wanted. If you went into MM and found a match that was going to play a map you didn't have, you'd get kicked to the pregame lobby with a map error message, and someone who did have the maps would fill your place. So, in reality, everyone can play every playlist. I payed 4$ to play these maps, not run around with 3 other friends that were able to download them.

There is no reason to hold on the update.

-blam!- you Bungie. Over the whole life span of Halo2 I've lost so much respect you as a result of your business practices.

  • 04.26.2007 9:53 AM PDT
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that's just bullshat. the good folks at bungie wouldn't even have jobs if it weren't for the paying customers that play their games. they work for us, and they do owe us an explanation. it's very unprofessional of them to say they're going to do something, and then not come through. i understand problems come up and whatnot, so i'll give them a break. but all of us who bought those new maps now have to sit on them for another week.

and they haven't brought us halo 3 yet, don't give praise for something they haven't accomplished. i'm sure it will be sick when it gets here, but i'm sure we'll have to deal with an ambiguous release date and then several delays before we actually see it.

BUNGIE: if you aren't positive you can accomplish something like an update in a specific time frame, act like the professionals that you are and leave us in the dark until you are positive.

I want my $4 back.

  • 04.26.2007 9:56 AM PDT

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Oh, very COOL. To which day next week the level are put back? Would also "totally Kills", "totally Deaths" and "xxxx Games played" delete ?

  • 04.26.2007 9:57 AM PDT

Legend....................(wait for it)..........ary.

now i'm not usually one to comment on these updates or news posts, but I feel compelled to.

First, I cannot believe how many of you are outraged about this. I also cannot believe how many of you are essentially kissing Bungie's *ss over this. "take your time, please, blah blah blah" but that's another post.Back to outraged people.

This cannot be that important to you. If it is, you really gotta do some adjusting to your priorities. It's $4. It's nothing today. And no it's not about the principle when you've got it. If you don't have it, and you paid for it, then your alright in being upset, but screaming and yelling at bungie will do no good. They know there's a problem, they're trying to fix it.

No it's not CA or Bungie or xbox live's fault. This has never been done. Releasing downloadable content for the original xbox and the 360. When you're the first at creating something, there's usually problems that occur. Be thankful that they gave the original xbox users the maps, as they originally said they wouldn't. So to those who are too cheap, too ignornat, or w/e reason you haven't made the 360 purchase, be thankful. IT WILL GET SORTED OUT SOON. A week is nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you paid 4 bux and got nothing relax. MS is a good company, they won't rob people of $4. They know that. They're not stupid.

And for the people still screaming about the update/rank reset not going to happen/didn't happen on the 24th, it's your own fault. No one from bungie EVER SAID it'd be out on the 24th. They said AROUND the 24th, which isn't limited to a day before or a day after the 24th. The man said next week, he11 he had to because how rabid some of you were acting about it. I want it to happen to. I wanna get my rank up to where it should be, and play some meaningful matches, but you should realize that it's a minute event. For those of you too young or stupid to know what that means, it's a small/insignificant event. Quit getting worked up over something that is so unimportant.

  • 04.26.2007 10:01 AM PDT

What. A. Joke.

Complete BS Bungie, you really dropped the ball on this one.

  • 04.26.2007 10:08 AM PDT

Legend....................(wait for it)..........ary.

Posted by: cl0ckw0rks0ul
What. A. Joke.

Complete BS Bungie, you really dropped the ball on this one.


wow just realized this. you kids have no idea how the real world works, lol.

  • 04.26.2007 10:12 AM PDT

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Fanboy alert! Fanboy alert! x2slick x Fanboy alert!

  • 04.26.2007 10:16 AM PDT
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I would like to play the new maps......

  • 04.26.2007 10:19 AM PDT

Posted by: x 2slick x
Posted by: cl0ckw0rks0ul
What. A. Joke.

Complete BS Bungie, you really dropped the ball on this one.


wow just realized this. you kids have no idea how the real world works, lol.

Ever heard the story about the little boy who cried wolf?

Quintessentially, that's what Bungie has been doing recently with Halo 3. If you think for one second that this isn't hurting them somewhat as a company, well it is. It's not hurting them drastically right now, nor will it in the future, but keep it up and see what happens to them and their reputation as a game company.

Capiche "Kid?"

  • 04.26.2007 10:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: x 2slick x
Posted by: cl0ckw0rks0ul
What. A. Joke.

Complete BS Bungie, you really dropped the ball on this one.


wow just realized this. you kids have no idea how the real world works, lol.
haha so true! tell em to get a job and see if every single thing they do works out the way they planned. i applaude Bungie for their professionalism :P

  • 04.26.2007 10:37 AM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Sigh. I bet you're one of the same guys that was demanding to know the date of the beta and is still demanding to know the date Halo 3 will be released. I wonder if you understand the irony there? I think a little reality check is in order.

The playlist update and rank reset were announced a date, but here is what we said: "This is currently slated to happen around 4/24 to 4/27ish but we’re going to wait and see how things are going online before locking that down. We’ll keep you posted."

Notice the part I underlined. Explain to me exactly what part of that isn't professional or honest. Would have prefered we not tell you about a rank reset? I mean, we could reset things right now, but given the problems some people are having, that wouldn't be prudent. Gee, that's EXACTLY why we said we hadn't locked things down. Imagine that - a date changed because we had to adjust to the situation! It seems to me an the lack of "professionalism" is in your analysis of the situation, not our decision making process.

And what dates are have we missed? I seem to recall Halo 1 being released when it was supposed to. Halo 2 also was released on the day we said it would be. I'm somewhat curious as to what dates were missed? I don't mind people complaining about the download issues, or even that they have to wait longer for the matchmaking update or rank reset - those are perfectly legitimate issues. But calling us unprofessional because we miss a date that we even told you was subject to change? Please. Come back when you have a valid complaint.

Posted by: SmokersC0ugh
Bungie you freakin idiots! This company constantly misses deadlines. What a bunch of losers. Why would you even think of announcing a date for a reset when you don't even have things in proper order for a reset. Hopefully you guys clean house and pay professionals maybe even before halo 3 comes out. However pathetic it is that there are so many people (myself included) that are waiting around for the reset like bunch of dope fiends, it is no comparison to how stupid Bungie looks whenever they miss EVERY SINGLE date that they ever announce. I am not angry with Frankie the spokespersonality or these site moderators. This is directed at the actual screw ups that are missing the deadline and put out updates and maps that aren't compatible for all paying customers. The people still playing Halo are your most prized customers and you should treat us like it. Don't talk down to us, lie to us, and especially ban us for some idiot on your end leaking Zanzibar and us wanting to chat about it and show people because we love your game. You guys can make a great game but your customer service and decision making skills are horrendous. Start treating us right and reset the freaking levels when you say will and quit announcing stuff prematurely!!

Smack, (Backhands BUngie)

  • 04.26.2007 10:58 AM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

That's it! You got us - we're holding out because we're trying to increase hype ON A NEARLY 3 YEAR OLD GAME. Oh, and that we already told you everything about what's changing in matchmaking.

Oh wait... that'd be stupid.

Please, try and not lower yourself to this level. Not everything is conspiracy.

Posted by: MLG TWISTED
This is bogus. and it's just to create hype and speculation going about halo 2 multiplayer.

I have a 360 and downloaded the update in less than a minute, BOGUS!

  • 04.26.2007 11:02 AM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

I don't think you understand that particular story, nor do I think you are even talking about the right game. We're talking about Halo 2 here.

Posted by: cl0ckw0rks0ul
Ever heard the story about the little boy who cried wolf?

Quintessentially, that's what Bungie has been doing recently with Halo 3. If you think for one second that this isn't hurting them somewhat as a company, well it is. It's not hurting them drastically right now, nor will it in the future, but keep it up and see what happens to them and their reputation as a game company.

Capiche "Kid?"

  • 04.26.2007 11:05 AM PDT
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Lol, yeah the wait sucks but getting to read this thread was totally worth it.

  • 04.26.2007 11:14 AM PDT

F@CK BUNGIE
May you never touch Halo 2 ever again.

Why couldn't we have know this days ago???

  • 04.26.2007 11:19 AM PDT
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how come everyone is bashing bungie they gave us halo 2 almost 3 years ago and its still fun. Its not hype there trying to do the best they can to fix it. Stop hating them because you cant download maps or because they havent done the update, you all are acting like 3 year olds.

[Edited on 04.26.2007 11:25 AM PDT]

  • 04.26.2007 11:22 AM PDT
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Personally i really don't care if you guys hold the reset for a week. What im pissed about is why you guys got rid of Ranked Clan Matches and Ranked BTB game types. Tons of people played both of them, yet you guys have the audacity of getting rid of what we are paying to play. It would be sweet if you guys can get this back.

Thanks.

  • 04.26.2007 11:39 AM PDT

It's just a game folks.

Cheers. I do not normally post to this forum, however; given the current string of events that has unfolded before me in recent days, I feel it necessary to share my thoughts on the matter.

Achronos,

I believe that SmokersCough attacks on Bungie's ability to keep deadlines is unfounded. In most cases, the Bungie staff is strategically careful so as not to force themselves into releasing a firm date for anything. This is both prudent and foolish as that same time. It is prudent in the sense that Bungie is not required to adhere to any strict schedule should a problem arise that will force an unforeseen delay. It is foolish in the sense that its creates a feeling of frustration and neglect among the gaming community because certain assumptions are made when something like a map-release is slated.

For example, in every instance when new maps were released for H2, an update was either implemented on the release date or shortly thereafter. What is the logic behind this one might ask? It is simple. Gamers buy the maps to play in matchmaking. What is the sense of having new maps that cannot be utilized on XBL? I've heard the ever infamous response that one should just "play some custom games." Fair enough, but in reality, how long does that really retain the attention of the gamer? Not long.

If polled, what would the enire H2 gaming community say made the Halo2 game? Was it offline play or online matchmaking? Matchmaking would win hands down. As such, would logic not dictate that if matchmaking is what the people want, should they not be granted a request for a new set of maps to be added to the current catalogue given their devotion to a game that has long passed its intended lifespan? I believe it would and I believe many others would agree.

Now I understand that this was your full intention from the start, however; those that have the maps are now being shunned because of a problem that Bungie did not account for. Why should those that have purchased the maps be left without the right to play those maps online when the fault of the matter is laid soley on the developers and those that implement the updates? The rational conclusion here should be a compromise: offer a Team Training-like playlist in the interim that includes the new maps for people that have already purchased the new maps. Make it unranked and completely disposable once the problems are fixed. Everyone that does not have the maps will not be cast-aside because this playlist will be nothing more than an conditional supplement. This is the heart of the matter and this is why you have see such an outcry from the community. A logical assumption was made that the maps could be played in matchmaking within a reasonable amount of time from release. Obviously this has not happened and the gamers are becoming frustrated that they have bought maps for a 3 year old game and cannot even use them in their intended environment.

This is not an attack on Bungie or any of the like. I wanted to simply state, in English, why the frustration has grown to such large quantities in recent days and perhaps offer up a realistic compromise that would satisfy all relevant parties. Cheers.

  • 04.26.2007 11:46 AM PDT
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What a tease. My juices were flowing and then turned off. God I need a cigarette. For all Halo fans it will be fun to have matchmaking on the new maps. We can wait another week. Not that we want to. All of the snide comments are just because everyone is excited and we hate waiting. BUNGIE RULES.

[Edited on 04.26.2007 11:59 AM PDT]

  • 04.26.2007 11:53 AM PDT
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sweet so i can practice a little more before the stats reset.. thanks for the info

  • 04.26.2007 12:03 PM PDT
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"Releasing downloadable content for the original xbox and the 360. When you're the first at creating something" Weren't the other multiplayer maps downloadable for the Xbox * the 360?

Anyway mine won't download yet. I'll try again tonight. But I'm not Beotching, just glad the maps are finally out! make more, more, more.

  • 04.26.2007 12:08 PM PDT
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" I don't think you understand that particular story, nor do I think you are even talking about the right game. We're talking about Halo 2 here.

Posted by: cl0ckw0rks0ul
Ever heard the story about the little boy who cried wolf?"

You tell 'em Achronos. No *ss kissing here but I love Halo (all of them) and can't wait for the new maps (having trouble getting them downloaded). Software release dates are difficult to keep. You keep up the good work! (okay so a little *ss kissing ...)


  • 04.26.2007 12:13 PM PDT
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Achronos, Bungie, XBL,

Guys, do you hear that sound? That's the 747 carrying the POINT of the matter flying over your heads. I can understand your point regarding the dates and the troubleshooting issues you guys are facing. Everyone can I believe, the point you guys are missing was eloquently stated in your quote, "The playlist update and rank reset were announced a date, but here is what we said: "This is currently slated to happen around 4/24 to 4/27ish but we’re going to wait and see how things are going online before locking that down. We’ll keep you posted."
Allow me to direct your attention to the very last line, "We'll keep you posted."
Exactly what about that line is not clear to ANYONE at Bungie? We have been searching for troubleshooting tips until we are blue in the face, forums, gamer sites, XBL, and yes, here at Bungie.net. FOR OVER A WEEK!!!! Allow me to point out the overwhelming silence on your part, not ONE single acknowledgement of the problems everyone was having. Not ONE. No postings, no story, no blurbs saying "We know, and we're on it." This is as frustrating as the problems with the downloads and I think this is evidence of a conspiracy. Someone, a pooh bah no doubt, has decreed that there will be no stories or anything regarding the trouble. Nothing from Frankie, and in 12 pages of comments on the last "weekly update" nothing from the renowned Achronos. None of you took the 5 minutes to put something up on the website. This has to be a conscious decision and it's very, very insulting to your customers. It is also unprofessional and an example of corporate incompetence. That, no doubt, is where comments like "put down the Halo 3 controllers and get to work!" come from. I am a small business owner and I do "computer stuff". I also help people with their home networks including Xboxes and the like. Having to shrug my shoulders at more than one customer over the past 10 days has been very frustrating and difficult. Also, as a business owner, I think your professionalism is properly questioned in regards to the way you and your company have handled this problem. Looking at your website, you would never know there is a problem. And THAT, sir, is wholly and totally unprofessional. Of all the things you could respond to, that point is the most valid in my opinion. I am a long time Halo addict and will continue to be, that is money in the bank for you and I would appreciate it if you would show some respect for that. I understand some of the posts here show a little anger and idiocy from time to time, but that is not a reason to leave the situation twisting in the wind, so to speak.
To sum it up, you have my full support on the dates, etc. issue, and I think you guys do fantastic work, but you guys are totally in the wrong in how you have handled this situation. Do you think RIM could get away with something like this? If 5 blackberries get BSODed then there are headlines all over the world and RIM puts out hourly updates on the progess. You guys, on the other hand, stuck your heads in the sand for over 10 days and nothing was reported. NOTHING. That is wrong, no business should treat their customers in this manner.

  • 04.26.2007 12:16 PM PDT