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opps

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  • 04.29.2007 1:43 AM PDT

Now this is just my opinion, since I'll only speak for myself at this point... but you should know from someone that has worked closely with Sketch for the past few years that he works his ass off and while the majority of it is behind the scenes or manifests as events or actions that you don't associate with him, he's doing an awesome job.

I understand that some of you have high expectations for community interaction, but just because his title is community guy doesn't mean he can or will be able to be on the forums all the time. It's one thing to say you wish you had more interaction on the forums, but it's not right to put it all on him.

As for the person that is in charge of matchmaking posting more often, I have and will always believe that rigorous evaluation of feedback is a vital aspect in that development process. Posting often isn't critical to the development process, it can be useful to probe for specific feedback and it is nice to keep that pulse alive, but it's not absolutely necessary for the development process.

  • 04.29.2007 1:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Pezza
I do believe he should. For the Community Guy to be largely inactive, the community feels somewhat abandoned. I know that's how a lot of members feel when linked to a post on HBO and the amount of posts by Frankie or KP (those are just the first in my mind) in a single thread outnumbers their amount over a total year on these boards.
I couldn't have put it better myself.

  • 04.29.2007 2:28 PM PDT
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Let's have him neglect his more important duties so he can spend his days on the forums, fielding the never-ending barrage of ignorant speculatory questions from the consistently hateful and ungrateful.


Or he could just make 1 thread called "The reasons behind them upcoming update" post those reasons, then allow us to discuss it while he doesnt post anymore. Or he could be a bit more like his predecessor NoF. Or he could make all of his posts on these forums instead of HBO and other sites.


Or all the spoiled brats could stop acting like they're owed something.

Your right, we arent owed anything for 50$ a year....


That statement is all I needed to hear from you to convince me that you have no idea what you're talking about.
You don't pay Bungie $50 a year. You pay for the XBL service. Matchmaking is free.
Maybe if you start sending Ske7ch $50 a year he'll start posting more.
It's worth a shot. I nominate you to spearhead that mission.
Good luck.

  • 04.29.2007 2:48 PM PDT
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It wouldn't hurt to take 10-15 minutes out of his day to post a bit.

  • 04.29.2007 4:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jeremiah
As for the person that is in charge of matchmaking posting more often, I have and will always believe that rigorous evaluation of feedback is a vital aspect in that development process. Posting often isn't critical to the development process, it can be useful to probe for specific feedback and it is nice to keep that pulse alive, but it's not absolutely necessary for the development process.



Jeremiah, I kinda disagree with that.

When you were in charge of MM, you were pretty much the head of Optimatch- taking suggestions, watching debates from afar, and posting your responses (because you're in charge.)

And it was good to see that the guy who's in charge is interacting with the community. I'm not going to judge how hard Sketch works- that's an out of line call for me to make. But he should at least take the reigns and go into Optimatch and tell the inquiring minds what they want to know.

It's US (the players) that make up Match Making, and we're glad that you're still keeping an interest in Halo 2. But when you make such big changes like you have, there needs to be someone to clarify things- provide "Closure," if you will. Not ignore us.

That's all we ask.

  • 04.29.2007 4:53 PM PDT
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As I was reading this thread, I noticed that people were complaining about Bungie employees not posting much and I laughed because there have been 8 posts on this thread alone by Bungie employees. And to think that out of all these threads, they found this thread concerning them. We should be happy that they spend so much time already making the Halo games(or at least helping) and still have time to look at these threads.

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  • 04.29.2007 7:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: garbageman44
As I was reading this thread, I noticed that people were complaining about Bungie employees not posting much and I laughed because there have been 8 posts on this thread alone by Bungie employees. And to think that out of all these threads, they found this thread concerning them. We should be happy that they spend so much time already making the Halo games(or at least helping) and still have time to look at these threads.

Um, you do realize that they are moderators and not Bungie employees right? Jeremiah is the only one that h as posted in this thread that HAS BEEN (but is no longer) a Bungie employee.

Also, most people want the "Community Guy" Ske7ch, to post more on these forums, rather than somewhere else such as HBO.

I do agree with you though, we should be happy that some employees DO post on these forums, rather than none at all. I'm happy that they even have a forum for us to talk about Bungie related things save The Flood.

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  • 04.29.2007 9:15 PM PDT

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  • 04.30.2007 2:21 AM PDT
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This is what I hope to see after this update.

A nice, humorous (but to the point) post about a relevant change to the match making system. I just hope we're kept involved- we're the ones playing the game, shouldn't we have a say in what we play?

  • 04.30.2007 2:51 AM PDT

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I'm not personally all that bothered if Sketch doesn't post much here at all. I think the title "comunity guy" may be slightly misleading however. I can see where Recon is coming from when he says that the community extends to beyond this site and into the great beyond etc. But I think that since this is the official Bungie.net forums that perhaps if he is a "community guy" then he should post here more often. Either that or have his title reduced the "guy". But it doesn't affect me much if he posts or not, he would probably get a lot of stick if he did post actually, and we are "brutal" so I can see the reasons for not posting.
I don't know what the point of this post was now that I think about it. I probably should have just said: meh.

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  • 04.30.2007 3:11 AM PDT
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I demand that Sketch's title be change to 'Community String-Puller'.
NOW. [/whiny fanboi]
No, seriously. It's very misleading; I recently told someone to submit a custom avatar to Sketch, because he is the Community Guy.
Either change his title, or find someone else to be the Community Guy. Either way, Sketch obviously has 'more important' things to do than listen to us.

  • 04.30.2007 4:04 AM PDT

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I'm trying to figure out why this thread doesnt fall under the category of "No threads about specific users".

  • 04.30.2007 9:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: twinkiemaker
I'm trying to figure out why this thread doesnt fall under the category of "No threads about specific users".


Because that would be sheer pedantry; the thread's about the community.

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Let's have him neglect his more important duties so he can spend his days on the forums, fielding the never-ending barrage of ignorant speculatory questions from the consistently hateful and ungrateful.


Or he could just make 1 thread called "The reasons behind them upcoming update" post those reasons, then allow us to discuss it while he doesnt post anymore. Or he could be a bit more like his predecessor NoF. Or he could make all of his posts on these forums instead of HBO and other sites.


Or all the spoiled brats could stop acting like they're owed something.

Your right, we arent owed anything for 50$ a year....


That statement is all I needed to hear from you to convince me that you have no idea what you're talking about.
You don't pay Bungie $50 a year. You pay for the XBL service. Matchmaking is free.
Maybe if you start sending Ske7ch $50 a year he'll start posting more.
It's worth a shot. I nominate you to spearhead that mission.
Good luck.


Scroll down to the bottem of your page... see there where it says "© 2007 Microsoft Corporation." XBL is owned by microsoft... bungie is owned by microsoft, so by sending cash to microsoft you are sending cash to bungie.

  • 04.30.2007 10:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: garbageman44
As I was reading this thread, I noticed that people were complaining about Bungie employees not posting much and I laughed because there have been 8 posts on this thread alone by Bungie employees. And to think that out of all these threads, they found this thread concerning them. We should be happy that they spend so much time already making the Halo games(or at least helping) and still have time to look at these threads.
As I was reading your post, I noticed that you are an IDIOT. Jeremiah was the only Bungie employee that posted in this thread, and since his contract expired, I dont even know if he works for Bungie at all.

  • 04.30.2007 10:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
This is what I hope to see after this update.

A nice, humorous (but to the point) post about a relevant change to the match making system. I just hope we're kept involved- we're the ones playing the game, shouldn't we have a say in what we play?


I would like to see something like that before the update to explain to everyone what is going on and why. I simply think that as the new guy in charge of MM sketch should post in optimatch in order to tell people what ideas he thinks are good, possible flaws, and generally to advance discussions. If people arent told what is good or bad, how will their ideas be refined into something useful or capable of implementation?

  • 04.30.2007 10:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: garbageman44
As I was reading this thread, I noticed that people were complaining about Bungie employees not posting much and I laughed because there have been 8 posts on this thread alone by Bungie employees. And to think that out of all these threads, they found this thread concerning them. We should be happy that they spend so much time already making the Halo games(or at least helping) and still have time to look at these threads.
As I was reading your post, I noticed that you are an IDIOT. Jeremiah was the only Bungie employee that posted in this thread, and since his contract expired, I dont even know if he works for Bungie at all.

He works for certain affinity

  • 04.30.2007 10:27 AM PDT

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We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
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Posted by: twinkiemaker
I'm trying to figure out why this thread doesnt fall under the category of "No threads about specific users".

Because that would be sheer pedantry; the thread's about the community.

I don't see how this thread is about the community. All I see is another thread whining about, "Why doesnt bungie employee x post more often?"

To be honest, I see "Community Guy" as a very ambiguous definition of his actual roles and responsibilities. Most of the criticism in this thread comes from that lack of a common definition (or assumptions that each members mental definition is correct).

I, for one, don't feel as I'm being slighted by lack of Bungie employee posts. Whatever info I get from the occasional post or update is just bonus info in my book.

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Posted by: twinkiemaker
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I'm trying to figure out why this thread doesnt fall under the category of "No threads about specific users".

Because that would be sheer pedantry; the thread's about the community.

I don't see how this thread is about the community. All I see is another thread whining about, "Why doesnt bungie employee x post more often?"
Normally I would agree and wouldnt have posted this, but the fact is that he now has a huge role in the comunity, controversial changes are being made, and IMO he should explain some of them, or someone should.


To be honest, I see "Community Guy" as a very ambiguous definition of his actual roles and responsibilities. Most of the criticism in this thread comes from that lack of a common definition (or assumptions that each members mental definition is correct).
That and the fact that a bungie employee who now has a massive effect on MM goes months at a time without posting in the forums where MM suggestions are to be made.


I, for one, don't feel as I'm being slighted by lack of Bungie employee posts. Whatever info I get from the occasional post or update is just bonus info in my book.

Nor do I, I am simply asking a question of the community's opinion on a topic. As a side note, and please dont take this the wrong way, but I wouldnt expect someone who hasnt played this game online(IDK this for sure, but it says so in your profile, correct me if I am wrong, and if so I appoligize) in months, to really care about the actions of someone in reguards to their role in the Optimatch forums and MM in general. Like I said no offense, i'm just trying to say that your view on this would be different from those people who care more about MM.

[Edited on 04.30.2007 10:39 AM PDT]

  • 04.30.2007 10:35 AM PDT
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I, for one, don't feel as I'm being slighted by lack of Bungie employee posts. Whatever info I get from the occasional post or update is just bonus info in my book.

Nor do I, I am simply asking a question of the community's opinion on a topic.
Me neither, but people have questions and they want answers. It isnt right for the so called "Community Guy" to be reading this all and not give an answer.

  • 04.30.2007 10:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: garbageman44
As I was reading this thread, I noticed that people were complaining about Bungie employees not posting much and I laughed because there have been 8 posts on this thread alone by Bungie employees. And to think that out of all these threads, they found this thread concerning them. We should be happy that they spend so much time already making the Halo games(or at least helping) and still have time to look at these threads.
As I was reading your post, I noticed that you are an IDIOT. Jeremiah was the only Bungie employee that posted in this thread, and since his contract expired, I dont even know if he works for Bungie at all.

He works for certain affinity

No, Jeremiah does not work for Certain Affinity.

How did that rumor even get started?

  • 04.30.2007 11:18 AM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Sketch's (and Franke, to some extent) lack of forum posting and even content production on this site has everything to do with the increased job responsiblity they have thanks to Halo's success. Sketch, as has been mentioned, is responsible for every interaction outside of Bungie. This includes not only media, but other types of marketing, promotion, IP licensing, etc. Frankie also has huge swaths of content to write that are frankly (hah) more important than forum posts - combat dialog, story tidbits, etc.

Assuming that we're not aware of this problem and are not doing anything about it is a poor assumption.

Posted by: Pezza
I do believe he should. For the Community Guy to be largely inactive, the community feels somewhat abandoned. I know that's how a lot of members feel when linked to a post on HBO and the amount of posts by Frankie or KP (those are just the first in my mind) in a single thread outnumbers their amount over a total year on these boards.

  • 04.30.2007 11:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pezza
I do believe he should. For the Community Guy to be largely inactive, the community feels somewhat abandoned. I know that's how a lot of members feel when linked to a post on HBO and the amount of posts by Frankie or KP (those are just the first in my mind) in a single thread outnumbers their amount over a total year on these boards.

Nevermind.

*goes back to hoping that Bungie will post in the main forums more often after Halo 3 ships.

[Edited on 04.30.2007 12:06 PM PDT]

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Tact is for those who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.

No use cryin' over Spillt Milk

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Posted by: shiv master
Posted by: Death v2
Posted by: shiv master
Posted by: Death v2
Posted by: shiv master
Let's have him neglect his more important duties so he can spend his days on the forums, fielding the never-ending barrage of ignorant speculatory questions from the consistently hateful and ungrateful.


Or he could just make 1 thread called "The reasons behind them upcoming update" post those reasons, then allow us to discuss it while he doesnt post anymore. Or he could be a bit more like his predecessor NoF. Or he could make all of his posts on these forums instead of HBO and other sites.


Or all the spoiled brats could stop acting like they're owed something.

Your right, we arent owed anything for 50$ a year....


That statement is all I needed to hear from you to convince me that you have no idea what you're talking about.
You don't pay Bungie $50 a year. You pay for the XBL service. Matchmaking is free.
Maybe if you start sending Ske7ch $50 a year he'll start posting more.
It's worth a shot. I nominate you to spearhead that mission.
Good luck.


Scroll down to the bottem of your page... see there where it says "© 2007 Microsoft Corporation." XBL is owned by microsoft... bungie is owned by microsoft, so by sending cash to microsoft you are sending cash to bungie.


You're right, but only in-so-much that the money from XBL assists in Microsoft being able to pay the salary of Bungie employees.
If another 100,000 people purchase XBL subscriptions, Microsoft isn't going to raise the salary of Bungie employees.
Your linear line of logic (like that alliteration?) is far too simplistic to describe the systems you're discussing.

  • 04.30.2007 1:37 PM PDT