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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: Death v2
Um, I checked the news archive, and there is no mention at all, of the removal of big team. So i cant directly discuss what was said, could you provide us with a link to the weekly update to continue this?
News Article and the related discussion of the update. Thanks.
Posted by: Death v2
Also, I understand your point concerning people being unreasonable and unwilling to accept the changes, what I am saying is that if the problems were explained in depth, it would allow forum users to offer better and more focused solutions to various MM problems. As it is now, the 6v6 list is(IMO) going to be broken, due to the larger maps, combined with smaller numbers of players, and the guests quitting situation. Problems like this should be adressed before throwing the update out, as it is a pretty clear issue. This is simply an example, and i cant really give more specific items without being able to quote the weekly update.
In other words, you want to be "at the table" regarding the decisions, not just informed of them.No, I am saying that it would be good for users to know what was wrong with MM in order to focus their discussions in a more constructive manner.
Optimatch (with or without Jeremiah) and The News (after Frankie's posted an Update) are not an invitation into the decision process. In the same manner that the Halo 3 forum is not for "valuable user input into what the game should be". They are there for the fan community to discuss (amongst themselves) what they think of "exhibit A" or "playlist B". The REAL discussion and decision making process occurs at Bungie and none of us have a seat at that table. Now that may fly in the face of many members, one look at any forum and it is apparent that people feel that they are speaking to (or praying to) Bungie and hope that their idea, proposal, observation, wish, request, etc. is granted. Despite that widespread assumption, I do not believe that is the point or purpose of any of these forums.If they are trying to discuss playlists, wouldnt it be very helpful, if not vital, to have an understanding of why decisions are made and the underlying reasons for these changes. I would think that it would definatly be a good idea for them to have as much information as can be provided within reasonable circumstances. The section of the update refering to playlist changes in the news post is as follows Now, the Matchmaking Playlist update will cause the same kind of growing pains as last time we updated the map selection – with some playlists unavailable to folks who don’t have the new maps (the reasons why are pretty self-evident) but here’s how the new Matchmaking playlists will break down when they go live next week: This section was followed by the new lists. He discusses maps only, and doesnt give any reasons at all, to explain the changes, instead he basically says, hey we got new maps, and were taking taking out pit, btb, and so on...
Would it have been dificult for him to show some usage stats, and to say that the low usage in these areas made us think changes are needed here, here, etc. I mean, with one focused paragraph he could give more information than is avalible to the community.
You mention that discussion would "allow forum users to offer better and more focused solutions to various MM problems". I disagree. No one in the forums is in a position to offer anything other than their opinion on what has occurred or what has recently been announced. Having a place to voice opinion is not the same as having an influence on the decision-making process or people. Bungie staffers do take the time to read it, but they keep their own counsel and make their own decisions. If any member wants to be in on that process, a job application is a logical first step.I shouldve been more specific with my wording, it would allow them to come up with suggestions and possible solutions for some MM problems. Optimatch is an inlet into the decision making process, as a universal concensus in optimatch alerts the guys at bungie to problems and usually allows them to have larger problems quickly solved. An example of this is the banshee on team rifles ascention, an obvious problem was allowed to slip through the test phase, but the community used optimatch to alert bungie of the problem and it was quickly solved. This type of capacity is what i would consider to be the biggest reason for optimatch, that is to provide suggestions and give the feelings of the community on changes. If users dont know the reasons behind decisions the effectiveness of the optimatch, under this capacity, is greatly reduced.
So, it is clear to me that "Sketch should post more often" is not a request for more information, but for more ACCESS. That if Sketch were to make more posts, they would then be an opening in a dialog where the membership could then have "Bungie's ear". In my years of being a fan, that sort of dialog has been on Bungie's terms, not on the terms and conditions of the community.
It is a request for access to information. If sketch were to make more posts they would open a dialogue between users, which if constructive enough, could be noticed by bungie officials who would then make a judgement call as to wether or not any of the topics are indeed a good idea or shouldnt be implimented.
[Edited on 05.02.2007 5:58 PM PDT]