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Posted by: Xtroop
Hey, i have one question. Can i run H2V with my Ati Radeon 9600 128Mb card? (i know that this card is poor this days, but i going to buy whole new computer in upcoming months, so i have to stay some more time with this one). I dunno exact specifications of my card, so i want ask if i can play this game, at least on minumum details, and mainly if i will be able to even run it. My other parts of computer are crappy too... Athlon 2600+, 1,5gb ram. Thx for answer.
your specs arent that bad

yah you should be able to on low settings

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Sadly, ATi Likes to mess up numbers in their product range. The x300 is acctually a fairly good GPU. It does have a chance of running H2V on fairly low settings.


So basically you dont really research anything. If you did you would know that the x300 is a bad card.


I am aware of this. I am reffering to how the x300 is not the WORST card out there. And want to know something? It offers nearly the exact same performance as the x1050.


Stop posting and do your research, please. The x1050 can't even muster 25 frames in CoD2 at 800x600 with textures at medium, and everything else off. Can't get to 20FPS in Prey on 1024x768. Then I'd expect the x300 to do even worse than this. Infact, the x300 doesn't get above 30fps in halo at 1024x768. Now how do you expect it to play Halo 2 Vista at at least 1024x768?

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Posted by: staticx576
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Sadly, ATi Likes to mess up numbers in their product range. The x300 is acctually a fairly good GPU. It does have a chance of running H2V on fairly low settings.


So basically you dont really research anything. If you did you would know that the x300 is a bad card.


I am aware of this. I am reffering to how the x300 is not the WORST card out there. And want to know something? It offers nearly the exact same performance as the x1050.


Stop posting and do your research, please. The x1050 can't even muster 25 frames in CoD2 at 800x600 with textures at medium, and everything else off. Can't get to 20FPS in Prey on 1024x768. Then I'd expect the x300 to do even worse than this. Infact, the x300 doesn't get above 30fps in halo at 1024x768. Now how do you expect it to play Halo 2 Vista at at least 1024x768?


When did I ever say that? What I said was:
Posted by: MrNick01
Sadly, ATi Likes to mess up numbers in their product range. The x300 is acctually a fairly good GPU. It does have a chance of running H2V on fairly low settings.


Also, I did my research. I posted a comparison of the technical specs, no?

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haha, Im running Halo 1 in VSYC? is that how its spelt., i dunno I forget, but im playing maxed settings and I am also using a x300

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Posted by: MrNick01
Posted by: snowysnowcones
Posted by: MrNick01
Posted by: staticx576
Posted by: MrNick01
Sadly, ATi Likes to mess up numbers in their product range. The x300 is acctually a fairly good GPU. It does have a chance of running H2V on fairly low settings.


So basically you dont really research anything. If you did you would know that the x300 is a bad card.


I am aware of this. I am reffering to how the x300 is not the WORST card out there. And want to know something? It offers nearly the exact same performance as the x1050.


Stop posting and do your research, please. The x1050 can't even muster 25 frames in CoD2 at 800x600 with textures at medium, and everything else off. Can't get to 20FPS in Prey on 1024x768. Then I'd expect the x300 to do even worse than this. Infact, the x300 doesn't get above 30fps in halo at 1024x768. Now how do you expect it to play Halo 2 Vista at at least 1024x768?


When did I ever say that? What I said was:
Posted by: MrNick01
Sadly, ATi Likes to mess up numbers in their product range. The x300 is acctually a fairly good GPU. It does have a chance of running H2V on fairly low settings.


Also, I did my research. I posted a comparison of the technical specs, no?


I still don't see how you justify the x300 as a "Fairly good GPU". And I wouldn't consider doing research as just looking at charts, when you probably don't know what half of what's on that page means.

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Posted by: WhenReasonSleep
haha, Im running Halo 1 in VSYC? is that how its spelt., i dunno I forget, but im playing maxed settings and I am also using a x300


VSYNC*
And yea, try to get a framerate reading with fraps. Getting no lag would just mean that the framerate is above the normal human refresh rate that we can see (somewhere between 15-20 FPS).

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Posted by: snowysnowcones
I still don't see how you justify the x300 as a "Fairly good GPU". And I wouldn't consider doing research as just looking at charts, when you probably don't know what half of what's on that page means.


But you can compare any two cards there, no? And most of the information there is pretty straightforward.
Core Clock: GPU Clock Speed - Used just for reference to similar products and overclocking
Memory Clock: Memory Clock Speed - Used just for reference to similar products and overclocking
Memory Bandwidth: Speed between the GPU and memory
Shader Operations: Amount of shader operations the GPU can afford a second
Pixel Fill Rate: Amount of Pixels the GPU can fill in the buffer a second
Texture Fill Rate: Amount of Texels the GPU can fill in the buffer a second
Vertex Operations: [MOST IMPORTANT] Amount of Vertices\Geometrical points the GPU can calculate in a second.

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Posted by: MrNick01
Posted by: WhenReasonSleep
haha, Im running Halo 1 in VSYC? is that how its spelt., i dunno I forget, but im playing maxed settings and I am also using a x300


VSYNC*
And yea, try to get a framerate reading with fraps. Getting no lag would just mean that the framerate is above the normal human refresh rate that we can see (somewhere between 15-20 FPS).


Would you please actually do research on any of the subjects you post about? First of all low framerate is not lag, it's just that, a low framerate. Lag would be that frames are already there and it takes a second to display to the monitor, where as low framerate is the frames need to be rendered first.

Next you claim that humans can see roughly 15-20 frames per second to which I know that is not true at all, to this day there is not been a concrete number on this subject and the ranges go up 200+ FPS, but there will never be a number simply because the human eye does NOT see in FPS, rather it is a continuous stream of light information.

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I was just wondering if the Vid Card is any good or not?
NVIDIA Geforce 7300 LE

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Posted by: FlapJack
Howdy,


First off, this is not another "Can my comp run it?"...it's more of, does the video card version really matter? "DX9 graphics card: WDDM driver, PS 2.0/32BPP, At least nVidia 6000 or ATI x700 or above". That's what's listed for the graphics. First off, my card is the x300. I know it's DirectX9, and I know it's Pixel Shader 2.0, and I know it's 128mb graphics memory. The only thing I don't know is WDDM...what is that? Also, is it really that big a deal in games if your card doesn't meat the version number, but SHOULD run the game? I can run every other game I have on fairly good settings, such as F.E.A.R. (which looks A LOT better than H2V). So, any thoughts?



Thanks,
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Your card I believe will have a chance at running it. I tried x550 on oblivion its able to run everything maxed out.

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Posted by: staticx576
Would you please actually do research on any of the subjects you post about? First of all low framerate is not lag, it's just that, a low framerate. Lag would be that frames are already there and it takes a second to display to the monitor, where as low framerate is the frames need to be rendered first.

Next you claim that humans can see roughly 15-20 frames per second to which I know that is not true at all, to this day there is not been a concrete number on this subject and the ranges go up 200+ FPS, but there will never be a number simply because the human eye does NOT see in FPS, rather it is a continuous stream of light information.


"Lag would be that frames are already there and it takes a second to display to the monitor, where as low framerate is the frames need to be rendered first." - And what, my friend would take the moniter "a second" to display an already received signal?

The GPU renders the images, converts the digital image into an analog format, and then sends this signal to the moniter, which displays the images (for all practical purposes) in realtime.

Last I checked, Low framerates and lag are one and the same (unless you are referring to connection-based lag). It is absurd to think otherwise. Because in such a case, a remedy to lag would be to replace your moniter.

And yes, I do my research. It so happens in this case that my primary (and only) source on that particular question was inaccurate. Yes, there has been no final answer on this subject, but the human eye can perceive higher than 200 FPS. That is absolutely correct, my bad.

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Posted by: XvXHalo3XvX
I was just wondering if the Vid Card is any good or not?
NVIDIA Geforce 7300 LE


No, it is a pretty bad card. If anything, it barely meets the minimal requirements of H2V.

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Posted by: MrNick01
Posted by: XvXHalo3XvX
I was just wondering if the Vid Card is any good or not?
NVIDIA Geforce 7300 LE


No, it is a pretty bad card. If anything, it barely meets the minimal requirements of H2V.

You say a 7300 is a bad card, but you say a x300 is good........lol......

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ok lol im confused is it good or not?????

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Posted by: snowysnowcones
Posted by: MrNick01
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I was just wondering if the Vid Card is any good or not?
NVIDIA Geforce 7300 LE


No, it is a pretty bad card. If anything, it barely meets the minimal requirements of H2V.

You say a 7300 is a bad card, but you say a x300 is good........lol......

Wait... What? I never said the 7300 was a bad card. I said the 7300 LE was a bad card. And I never said the x300 was a good card. I said it has a fairly good GPU. And what I meant in context was: "For how low it is numbered in the range, it is a fairly card." I never said it was the best, or better then any other card.

Facts don't lie. Do YOUR research.


And NO. The 7300 LE is not good.

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Posted by: MrNick01
Posted by: snowysnowcones
Posted by: MrNick01
Posted by: XvXHalo3XvX
I was just wondering if the Vid Card is any good or not?
NVIDIA Geforce 7300 LE


No, it is a pretty bad card. If anything, it barely meets the minimal requirements of H2V.

You say a 7300 is a bad card, but you say a x300 is good........lol......

Wait... What? I never said the 7300 was a bad card. I said the 7300 LE was a bad card. And I never said the x300 was a good card. I said it has a fairly good GPU. And what I meant in context was: "For how low it is numbered in the range, it is a fairly card." I never said it was the best, or better then any other card.

Facts don't lie. Do YOUR research.


And NO. The 7300 LE is not good.


Whats the dif between The LE And the Non LE?

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From what I can piece together, LE is limited edition. It is nVidia's way of severly cutting down on the card's power to decrease the price dramatically. Or in technical terms, This is the difference.

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Posted by: MrNick01
From what I can piece together, LE is limited edition. It is nVidia's way of severly cutting down on the card's power to decrease the price dramatically. Or in technical terms, This is the difference.

Ok thanks i was just wondering.
I'm going to buy this card, i looked it up on the cite and it looks completely asome so and suggestions or alternatives?

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Heres were it is

How do you make links?

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=066500 0FS10081500&catid=10524&atab=3&logon=&langid= EN#


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Posted by: MrNick01
Posted by: snowysnowcones
Posted by: MrNick01
Posted by: XvXHalo3XvX
I was just wondering if the Vid Card is any good or not?
NVIDIA Geforce 7300 LE


No, it is a pretty bad card. If anything, it barely meets the minimal requirements of H2V.

You say a 7300 is a bad card, but you say a x300 is good........lol......

Wait... What? I never said the 7300 was a bad card. I said the 7300 LE was a bad card. And I never said the x300 was a good card. I said it has a fairly good GPU. And what I meant in context was: "For how low it is numbered in the range, it is a fairly card." I never said it was the best, or better then any other card.

Facts don't lie. Do YOUR research.


And NO. The 7300 LE is not good.


lol.... Generally people know what you mean when you say "1950" instead of "X1950XTX" It's easier to just type the letters, than to type the whole thing. And I would hardly consider gpureview.com research.

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Sorry, then what do you consider research as far as video cards go? Listening to 12 year olds rant about their friend's cousin's experiences with a card that they never owned?

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Posted by: XvXHalo3XvX
Posted by: MrNick01
From what I can piece together, LE is limited edition. It is nVidia's way of severly cutting down on the card's power to decrease the price dramatically. Or in technical terms, This is the difference.

Ok thanks i was just wondering.
I'm going to buy this card, i looked it up on the cite and it looks completely asome so and suggestions or alternatives?

Edit:
Heres were it is

How do you make links?

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=066500 0FS10081500&catid=10524&atab=3&logon=&langid= EN#

[url]YourLinkHere[/url]

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That's quite a nice card, but it's a bit over-priced on that website. (Yes, I know it's a Canadian site). We're generally able to find them for around ~$160 here in the States, so see if you can find one cheaper. Or if you can't, look for the X1950GT, it's just an under-clocked version of the Pro, with a much lower price. You'll be happy with either of the cards.

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more like:
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And yes, by all means go ahead and buy that card. It will amaze you. And is really far more than you need for a game like H2V. You could probably get it cheaper on NewEgg or such though.

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Posted by: MrNick01
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And yes, by all means go ahead and buy that card. It will amaze you. And is really far more than you need for a game like H2V. You could probably get it cheaper on NewEgg or such though.

Thanks. And i know that card is over kill but when a new game comes out it might not be. and i would buy it from new egg but i don't have a credit card because I'm 16.

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Posted by: MrNick01
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And yes, by all means go ahead and buy that card. It will amaze you. And is really far more than you need for a game like H2V.

Newegg doesn't ship to Canada

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Posted by: MrNick01
"Lag would be that frames are already there and it takes a second to display to the monitor, where as low framerate is the frames need to be rendered first." - And what, my friend would take the moniter "a second" to display an already received signal?

That was an example and an exaggeration at that, you know this so stop being hard. Want an example? Say a mile long cable, since electrical signals have a finite speed it would take time for the signal from the Video card to reach the display.

Posted by: MrNick01
The GPU renders the images, converts the digital image into an analog format, and then sends this signal to the moniter, which displays the images (for all practical purposes) in realtime.

Have you heard of DVI? It's all digital so no need for analog. But yes the conversion to analog if you were using an analog display would cost time, but it wouldn't affect the framerate, this might be considered lag.

Posted by: MrNick01
Last I checked, Low framerates and lag are one and the same (unless you are referring to connection-based lag). It is absurd to think otherwise. Because in such a case, a remedy to lag would be to replace your moniter.


How dense are you that you cannot seperate the two. As you put a remedy to lag would be to replace your monitor, and using your information as you so eloquently put that would in fact raise your framerate while this is simply not true.

This is all semantics anyways and as lag is commonly refered to as it takes longer to get somewhere than you want it to. Where as low framerate is where the videocard renders the game at a certain speed, common terms dictate that each frame gets to where you want it to at the same speed regardless of how fast the game is rendered.


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