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I have been talking on Nintendo Forums alot lately ( yes I know I betrayed bungie) but the only reason is because there is a reason to talk. The level thing is awesome I think, you know like boos and cappys, but i think it would be even more awesome if bungie did that because i love talking about halo. What does everyone else think.

  • 04.30.2007 7:52 PM PDT

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about (I've never been on the acursed "Nintendo Forums").

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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Could you please try to be a bit clearer in telling us what the hell you're talking about?

  • 04.30.2007 8:02 PM PDT

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So you want something that would increase the elietism of people? I doubt it will happen.

He wants ranks that rise as you post more.

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  • 04.30.2007 8:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: Joeyjaws
The level thing is awesome I think, you know like boos and cappys,


Forum rank-wh0ring?

i love talking about halo.

There's your 'reason for posting'.

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Posted by: Joeyjaws
I have been talking on Nintendo Forums alot lately ( yes I know I betrayed bungie) but the only reason is because there is a reason to talk. The level thing is awesome I think, you know like boos and cappys, but i think it would be even more awesome if bungie did that because i love talking about halo. What does everyone else think.

At first I was all 'lolwut?', then I was all 'ZOMG ELITISM BANT!!!2'.
Forum ranks are fine for small sites with relatively sane (I was going to put 'mature', but Nintendo?) users. Not so here.

  • 04.30.2007 8:16 PM PDT

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You should talk because you want to not to "gain a level" on a forum.

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Posted by: dalmedya
Forum ranks are fine for small sites with relatively sane (I was going to put 'mature', but Nintendo?) users. Not so here.

Yes, because we all know that the Nintendo forums are made up of only 100 or so members who's average age is 10... Especially after all the popularity they are getting from the Wii and DS. Well, that's off the point of this thread, but whatever, you're still criticizing a community without out knowing about it.

Besides, a ranking system can work anywhere really; the good members will be rewarded, while the jerks get what they deserve. It all evens out if everything is all the work of a scripted system. Besides, might shake things up for some of the members who have been around forever. I think it'd be fun to see what would happen.

  • 04.30.2007 10:39 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Almost every other forum deals with ranks except this one. Im amazed at how many privileges this community denies itself by being so stupid and ignorant. Forums nearly half the size of bungie.net, even at par with b.net have ranks, post counts, join dates, age display, etc. Its not these things that create elitism, but the community itself. With all due respect Bungie, your community sucks, hard. Its filled with half wit teens and prepubescent morons, or at least those with a mental maturity on par. I honestly think that it was the fact you sold to a larger crowd that Halo 2 and these forums gained such a large supply of imbeciles and flamers, who would rather start a fight than respect other members. We could have so much more here if people just learned to behave and show respect.

30 moderators is obviously one problem area. You dont have enough for this size of forum. You need at least 5 moderators per section depending on activity as well as one sub-admin per section so when a real problem arises you can do the best of things... IP ban. If bungie.net IP banned members, there would probably be at least a 30% decrease in idiots and spammers on this forum, as well as preventing multiple accounts. I have wondered for a while why bungie doesn't take advantage of IP banning, but still haven't gotten a decent answer. Not to mention a Ban from bungie isn't all that threatening anymore, because you ban for almost anything, big or small. It has become the norm and doesnt instil a harsh punishement like it should.

You make a mistake, 1 week temp ban. Do that 3 times, perma ban. Thats the only defense a moderator has against an unruly member. If we had things like moderator warning bars as well as member warning notification, it would make it much easier for even the idiots to know where the lines are drawn, and make them aware of a ban becoming possible. Just throwing out ban's that aren't IP bans doesn't do anything.

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Posted by: dalmedya
Forum ranks are fine for small sites with relatively sane (I was going to put 'mature', but Nintendo?) users. Not so here.

Yes, because we all know that the Nintendo forums are made up of only 100 or so members who's average age is 10... Especially after all the popularity they are getting from the Wii and DS. Well, that's off the point of this thread, but whatever, you're still criticizing a community without out knowing about it.
I'm not talking about the popularity of the game systems; I doubt Nintendo forces it's members to go to a website for access to online mulitplayer, and encourage them to go to specific sites by placing a logo behind their gamertag.

Besides, a ranking system can work anywhere really; the good members will be rewarded, while the jerks get what they deserve. It all evens out if everything is all the work of a scripted system. Besides, might shake things up for some of the members who have been around forever. I think it'd be fun to see what would happen.You did get the part where I said B.net members are insane, right?

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  • 05.01.2007 3:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Almost every other forum deals with ranks except this one. Im amazed at how many privileges this community denies itself by being so stupid and ignorant. Forums nearly half the size of bungie.net, even at par with b.net have ranks, post counts, join dates, age display, etc. Its not these things that create elitism, but the community itself. With all due respect Bungie, your community sucks, hard. Its filled with half wit teens and prepubescent morons, or at least those with a mental maturity on par. I honestly think that it was the fact you sold to a larger crowd that Halo 2 and these forums gained such a large supply of imbeciles and flamers, who would rather start a fight than respect other members. We could have so much more here if people just learned to behave and show respect.
So you're saying that the Bungie community is elitist, and that's why there's elitism. Well let's take a look at that. If you are wrong, and it's the join dates etc. that bring out the elitist in us, then there's no point in having them. If you are right and we're all elitist jerks anyway, then there's definitely no reason to have them. If you'd like to read through the paragraph above that you wrote again, you may notice that you come across as exactly the kindof elitist jerk you are complaining about! There are the obvious insults at everyone - "...this community denies itself by being so stupid and ignorant", the specific stabs at people you think are beneath you in terms of maturity/age - "Its filled with half wit teens and prepubescent morons, or at least those with a mental maturity on par" and then, of course, the underlying tone of hatred because Bungie made a game that became awesomely popular, and you think that they are 'selling out' - "I honestly think that it was the fact you sold to a larger crowd that Halo 2 and these forums gained such a large supply of imbeciles and flamers". Your tone is disgraceful, and reflects exactly the kind of behaviour that denies this community the things you listed.

30 moderators is obviously one problem area. You dont have enough for this size of forum. You need at least 5 moderators per section depending on activity as well as one sub-admin per section so when a real problem arises you can do the best of things... IP ban. If bungie.net IP banned members, there would probably be at least a 30% decrease in idiots and spammers on this forum, as well as preventing multiple accounts. I have wondered for a while why bungie doesn't take advantage of IP banning, but still haven't gotten a decent answer.Perhaps that's because "wondering" isn't a good way to get answers? IP bans are useless, pretty much. A vast number of internet users have their IP address assigned dynamically by their ISP - thus to get around an IP ban, all they'd need to do would be to turn their router/modem off and then on again to get a new IP address. An ISP ban is another method people trot out when thy think they know more about managing a forum than the people who's job it is to do so every day (because they've posted on several forums, they should know, right?) - again, that doesn't work as you potentially are banning a number of other, innocent people who use the same ISP.

Not to mention a Ban from bungie isn't all that threatening anymore, because you ban for almost anything, big or small. It has become the norm and doesnt instil a harsh punishement like it should. You make a mistake, 1 week temp ban. Do that 3 times, perma ban. Thats the only defense a moderator has against an unruly member. If we had things like moderator warning bars as well as member warning notification, it would make it much easier for even the idiots to know where the lines are drawn, and make them aware of a ban becoming possible. Just throwing out ban's that aren't IP bans doesn't do anything.The warning system in place since the site update is pretty much exactly what you just described. Something small gets you a warning, warnings are tracked and after a couple you get banned. Repeat offenders get perma'd.

  • 05.01.2007 4:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
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I support everything you said.

And, Saint, while its late, and im in no way clear-minded enough to actually make any logical points... All i really have to say is with a harsher punishment, a better community would avail. that SUCKS, but its the truth.

Achronos has played nice far too long.Some mods act on personal levels, others release ravenous hell upon all, and some are deeply respectful and incredibly wise. While i think the mods all mostly do a great job,its when none can be found that it all hits. Theres just not enough punishment. IP bans are the obvious way out, but yeah, dynamic stuff all that jazz prevent that from being a viable tactic. The best way, IMO, would be for everyone to -blam!- and -blam!- at M$ until they enabled Bungie.net to ban .net accounts. I also think bungie should charge, if even one dollar to create an account. GOD that would help so much, While many many of you will immediately disagree with this, do to various yet obvious reasons, i think that would be so freaking awesome it makes me drool.

But yeah, Bungie will never charge, sadly... Its not their style, and I respect that...But any tactic to prevent immature spammers from registering is OK with me. Its just sad how banned users will just PM like crazy mocking the system and demonstrating how easy it is to simply make a new account, and continue with their membership.

Small note about the warning system... I remember a thread about "PoSt Ur WaRn CouNT" Or something stupid like that, and people were claiming 3+ warns? What the heck? After ONE warning, any second offense should be grounds enough for a week vacation... While the warning system seems cool, it, on the contrary is just too light i guess... Anyways, i should get to bed...

  • 05.01.2007 8:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: nate the newt
So really what your all saying is that none of you have Bungie PJ's...


Sweet idea... the halo store needs a freaking update. I have the carnage ringer though ^.^

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Posted by: Darkm0d
All i really have to say is with a harsher punishment, a better community would avail. that SUCKS, but its the truth.
I agree with this.

IP bans are the obvious way out, but yeah, dynamic stuff all that jazz prevent that from being a viable tactic.The problem with banning IPs is not just that people can easily get around it. Another (possibly bigger) problem is that when the ISP assigns that IP address to another client, they will be banned for no reason if they also happen to visit this site. At a glance, it doesn't seem like it would be a big deal, but this site is very popular. Bungie cannot risk having people complain about being banned for no reason.

The best way, IMO, would be for everyone to -blam!- and -blam!- at M$ until they enabled Bungie.net to ban .net accounts.I'm surprised you don't know this, but Bungie does ban Windows Live IDs (.NET accounts), at least from the forums. If someone wants to make a new account, they have to create a new Windows Live ID.

I also think bungie should charge, if even one dollar to create an account. GOD that would help so much, While many many of you will immediately disagree with this, do to various yet obvious reasons, i think that would be so freaking awesome it makes me drool.

But yeah, Bungie will never charge, sadly... Its not their style, and I respect that...But any tactic to prevent immature spammers from registering is OK with me. Its just sad how banned users will just PM like crazy mocking the system and demonstrating how easy it is to simply make a new account, and continue with their membership.
I understand the reasons for this, and personally I wouldn't have a problem with it, but as you said, it will never happen, for obvious reasons.

Small note about the warning system... I remember a thread about "PoSt Ur WaRn CouNT" Or something stupid like that, and people were claiming 3+ warns? What the heck? After ONE warning, any second offense should be grounds enough for a week vacation... While the warning system seems cool, it, on the contrary is just too light i guess... Anyways, i should get to bed...This is a good point. If they don't automatically bump it up to a 7 day ban after a certain number of warnings, the only thing the warning system does is let people continue to break the forum rules without punishment.

  • 05.01.2007 8:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: Saint
So you're saying that the Bungie community is elitist, and that's why there's elitism. Well let's take a look at that. If you are wrong, and it's the join dates etc. that bring out the elitist in us, then there's no point in having them. If you are right and we're all elitist jerks anyway, then there's definitely no reason to have them. If you'd like to read through the paragraph above that you wrote again, you may notice that you come across as exactly the kindof elitist jerk you are complaining about! There are the obvious insults at everyone - "...this community denies itself by being so stupid and ignorant", the specific stabs at people you think are beneath you in terms of maturity/age - "Its filled with half wit teens and prepubescent morons, or at least those with a mental maturity on par" and then, of course, the underlying tone of hatred because Bungie made a game that became awesomely popular, and you think that they are 'selling out' - "I honestly think that it was the fact you sold to a larger crowd that Halo 2 and these forums gained such a large supply of imbeciles and flamers". Your tone is disgraceful, and reflects exactly the kind of behaviour that denies this community the things you listed.

Im not saying the bungie community is entirely elitist, and in no way am I putting myself ahead of anyone here and using elitism to my advantage. While you are correct in assuming there is no point in giving elitist members something to promote further elitism, I feel it is more fear than prevention that keeps the b.net admins from giving the community the privilege of using them. They don't trust their community, so why should the community give anything back? If you are going to only attack me for being elitist when i am basing my argument on cold hard facts of life, the facts that not everybody is on par when it comes to maturity or age, and the fact that most of this community is on the immature side of the spectrum (most every respectable/sensible members agrees with this i believe). Im not putting people beneath or above me, because honestly I have no authority. It is you who are suggesting that I believe that I do have authority, which is merely twisting my comments and ignoring the more important ones just to make an attack at me personally.

Then comes the planting of more words that I never said. I NEVER EVER said bungie sold out, but that their intended aim was wrong, or a mistake. I'm not holding it against bungie for wanting to share their creation, but their actions unpredictably drew in the more generic person who takes advantage of everything he can. The average IQ of the American male is actually around 60 or 70, not near the norm. This isnt a basis for judgment, but a large and very significant number of the people in the Halo 2 live community do at least 5 different things to degrade their opponents, or even their own teammates. They curse, trasthalk, threaten to physically and -blam!-ly harm others. There is only one form of status on XBL, and that is rank, yet every single person save for a small percentage feels that it determines your superiority mentally, physically, and intellectually over your lowers. Why is this? Because the average player does not play to have fun with other members of the community, but to shame their opponent and prove that they are better as a person by defeating them in a game. They use it as a status quo. This is a known fact to any XBL player who isn't kidding themselves, and it spills over greatly into the b.net forums. Maybe not the Septagon or the Halo 3 forum, but definitely in others, although I think it has decreased in prevalence lately.

Oh, and my tone only reflects how you read it. Because I cant possibly have a tone with text.
Posted by: Saint
Perhaps that's because "wondering" isn't a good way to get answers? IP bans are useless, pretty much. A vast number of internet users have their IP address assigned dynamically by their ISP - thus to get around an IP ban, all they'd need to do would be to turn their router/modem off and then on again to get a new IP address. An ISP ban is another method people trot out when thy think they know more about managing a forum than the people who's job it is to do so every day (because they've posted on several forums, they should know, right?) - again, that doesn't work as you potentially are banning a number of other, innocent people who use the same ISP.

I wonder because all I ask don't give me a good answer. And IP bans are definitely a deterrent to any non-computer savy people who attend these forums, which i have seen quite a number of those members. They are far more effective than just letting them create a new account with the same IP, at least this way it makes it much hard for their random IP to get in each successive time, because you can only get a certain number of random IP's due to other systems (millions, even billions of them) using their own IP addresses. IP bans arent as inherently ineffective as you believe. ISP bans are stupid, becuase they block the provider, which is a crappy way to do things. If you get enough offenses though, you can have the ISP block the site for a particular user.

Posted by: Saint
The warning system in place since the site update is pretty much exactly what you just described. Something small gets you a warning, warnings are tracked and after a couple you get banned. Repeat offenders get perma'd.

What I mean is a physical bar under the username that only the moderators and admins can see. This way the moderators can mark a user for offenses, and. it could even be displayed to the rest of the forum if need be to show members who is the idiot who doesn't follow the rules and who isn't, although most people will cry "elitism" at this. That word is your own downfall, it destroys any chance at a dynamic community within the pre-made forums. People say that you only need to be an individual in your post, but there are mountains of ways to express yourself than just in text. Besides, post counts also give you a reason to stay and promote activity, as does ranks, etc. You have something to look forward to. But that word "elitism" has alienated you from what online communities normally have... trust in its members. I myself said you cant trust half the members here. If anyone abuses anything, you ban them. You don't just start taking things down to make sure it doesn't happen again. That is giving in to what they want, to ruin the diversity and freedom of this place. Banning people for rule breaking and abuse is an example that you wont tolerate it. All you have done is show that you just dont want to deal with it at all, and are giving in to them.

  • 05.01.2007 6:32 PM PDT

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It is somewhat ironic that you complain about our community while being part of it. Ignoring the reality of the actual numbers (increased exposure = more idiots, just like every other gathering of humanity since... ever)... a few points.

1. Moderators need to be trusted by me. I do not trust easily. Furthermore, most people do not have the mental fortitude to volunteer for what moderating forums of this size... and those that do volunteer do so for reasons that aren't good.

2. "Ranks" are not here because I prefer to do things correctly, not because I oppose them. The "elitism" idea is somewhat silly - we have that now. I was going to add join dates back, but there isn't room. And post counts... well, those are kind of dumb. You may disagree, but I don't think we really lose anything from not having them.

3. Complaining that our community is the way it is and that it is our fault because we sold Halo 2 to lots of people is somewhat silly - if we hadn't, this site woulld be quite smaller and not nearly as interesting. Besides, what you're really complaining about isn't the Halo community, it is these forums.

4. IP Bans don't work - I'm not going to explain why. Read a book on how the Internet works and how IP addresses are not uniquely identifying to a person, let alone a single computer - you'll also learn how easy they are to change. Combine that with how easy it is to get an account here, plus this being the "official" bungie forums... well, we tend to draw all the bad people here. And I've said this multiple times, some I somewhat surprised you don't think there has been an answer. And despite what you may think, both the warning system, the 7 day bans, the permanent ban, the ultra ban, and the ban history do work well as a deterrent... the fact of the matter is that most of what you probably see as a problem around here are the constant stupid pissing matches people get into over stupid stuff (the Halo 1 vs Halo 2 debate, for example).

Bans... even IP bans... can't change people who think that because they aren't face to face means that they don't have to play nice.

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Almost every other forum deals with ranks except this one. Im amazed at how many privileges this community denies itself by being so stupid and ignorant. Forums nearly half the size of bungie.net, even at par with b.net have ranks, post counts, join dates, age display, etc. Its not these things that create elitism, but the community itself. With all due respect Bungie, your community sucks, hard. Its filled with half wit teens and prepubescent morons, or at least those with a mental maturity on par. I honestly think that it was the fact you sold to a larger crowd that Halo 2 and these forums gained such a large supply of imbeciles and flamers, who would rather start a fight than respect other members. We could have so much more here if people just learned to behave and show respect.

30 moderators is obviously one problem area. You dont have enough for this size of forum. You need at least 5 moderators per section depending on activity as well as one sub-admin per section so when a real problem arises you can do the best of things... IP ban. If bungie.net IP banned members, there would probably be at least a 30% decrease in idiots and spammers on this forum, as well as preventing multiple accounts. I have wondered for a while why bungie doesn't take advantage of IP banning, but still haven't gotten a decent answer. Not to mention a Ban from bungie isn't all that threatening anymore, because you ban for almost anything, big or small. It has become the norm and doesnt instil a harsh punishement like it should.

You make a mistake, 1 week temp ban. Do that 3 times, perma ban. Thats the only defense a moderator has against an unruly member. If we had things like moderator warning bars as well as member warning notification, it would make it much easier for even the idiots to know where the lines are drawn, and make them aware of a ban becoming possible. Just throwing out ban's that aren't IP bans doesn't do anything.

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Why do people insist on solutions (e.g. IP bans) in which they have no knowledge of? Anyone who knows basic networking would be able to tell you why in 99.9% of cases, IP bans are useless. And even in the 0.1% of cases where they may work, they are still easy to evade if you have some basic knowledge.

I mean, if you're going to so confidently cite solutions, at least make sure they would actually work, and that you do in fact know what you are talking about?

  • 05.01.2007 8:14 PM PDT

Posted by: Mr SnuggIy
So I think Jun's a master chef, because he takes off his helmet and your like whoa, I think he's a chef.

So to shorten this up, Jun is master chef.

Ok. I agree with most of that but I have a few things to say:

1.) What happened to the profile quotes? I liked them and thought they were a good way to express yourself.

2.) There is space for the join date. It could go right under the "More posts by this user" link.

3.) I've been wondering why the signature area was moved. If you have it below the post, you can advertise a group more easily. That was always something that people (from the group community) utilized.

5.) When groups come back, will there be a lot of themes?

5.) You should be a lawyer.

Posted by: Achronos
It is somewhat ironic that you complain about our community while being part of it. Ignoring the reality of the actual numbers (increased exposure = more idiots, just like every other gathering of humanity since... ever)... a few points.

1. Moderators need to be trusted by me. I do not trust easily. Furthermore, most people do not have the mental fortitude to volunteer for what moderating forums of this size... and those that do volunteer do so for reasons that aren't good.

2. "Ranks" are not here because I prefer to do things correctly, not because I oppose them. The "elitism" idea is somewhat silly - we have that now. I was going to add join dates back, but there isn't room. And post counts... well, those are kind of dumb. You may disagree, but I don't think we really lose anything from not having them.

3. Complaining that our community is the way it is and that it is our fault because we sold Halo 2 to lots of people is somewhat silly - if we hadn't, this site woulld be quite smaller and not nearly as interesting. Besides, what you're really complaining about isn't the Halo community, it is these forums.

4. IP Bans don't work - I'm not going to explain why. Read a book on how the Internet works and how IP addresses are not uniquely identifying to a person, let alone a single computer - you'll also learn how easy they are to change. Combine that with how easy it is to get an account here, plus this being the "official" bungie forums... well, we tend to draw all the bad people here. And I've said this multiple times, some I somewhat surprised you don't think there has been an answer. And despite what you may think, both the warning system, the 7 day bans, the permanent ban, the ultra ban, and the ban history do work well as a deterrent... the fact of the matter is that most of what you probably see as a problem around here are the constant stupid pissing matches people get into over stupid stuff (the Halo 1 vs Halo 2 debate, for example).

Bans... even IP bans... can't change people who think that because they aren't face to face means that they don't have to play nice.

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Almost every other forum deals with ranks except this one. Im amazed at how many privileges this community denies itself by being so stupid and ignorant. Forums nearly half the size of bungie.net, even at par with b.net have ranks, post counts, join dates, age display, etc. Its not these things that create elitism, but the community itself. With all due respect Bungie, your community sucks, hard. Its filled with half wit teens and prepubescent morons, or at least those with a mental maturity on par. I honestly think that it was the fact you sold to a larger crowd that Halo 2 and these forums gained such a large supply of imbeciles and flamers, who would rather start a fight than respect other members. We could have so much more here if people just learned to behave and show respect.

30 moderators is obviously one problem area. You dont have enough for this size of forum. You need at least 5 moderators per section depending on activity as well as one sub-admin per section so when a real problem arises you can do the best of things... IP ban. If bungie.net IP banned members, there would probably be at least a 30% decrease in idiots and spammers on this forum, as well as preventing multiple accounts. I have wondered for a while why bungie doesn't take advantage of IP banning, but still haven't gotten a decent answer. Not to mention a Ban from bungie isn't all that threatening anymore, because you ban for almost anything, big or small. It has become the norm and doesnt instil a harsh punishement like it should.

You make a mistake, 1 week temp ban. Do that 3 times, perma ban. Thats the only defense a moderator has against an unruly member. If we had things like moderator warning bars as well as member warning notification, it would make it much easier for even the idiots to know where the lines are drawn, and make them aware of a ban becoming possible. Just throwing out ban's that aren't IP bans doesn't do anything.

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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: WhiffleBallTony
Ok. I agree with most of that but I have a few things to say:
5.) You should be a lawyer.

Achronos is far too good-looking to be a lawyer. Trust me on this one.





[Edited on 05.01.2007 8:28 PM PDT]

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Achronos is far too good-looking to be a lawyer. Trust me on this one.


I'll second that. Did he say "Ultra-ban"?

By the way.. We only have like, 21 moderators, if you count the contractors and Avius Custos.. Unless he's saying we NEED 30.. I don't get it, but, then again, I'm dumb.

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