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  • 05.03.2007 5:55 PM PDT
Subject: Membership has its REWARDS. So, what are they?

I do like this, alot. Unlike a post count, you don't get anything for spamming. It wouldn't be spam if the user kept posting helpful things to get those credits because either way the community gets help and support from that user. I do not see much of a downside to this, you can't really do anything bad to get those credits. One thing with the photo addition and profile customization is that that would take quite a while to make and apply, new rules, java, and all that jazz/ I would also not want to see it turn into (may already be in process/ why not wait?). Even with that said I think there should be those kinds of rewards or 'brownie points', I am sure one would like a little display oh idk, up top near the message counter, you could see all your points and losses. Those points and losses (Those would be used to purchase things, such as more access) could have a purpose though as you said, I shall think of that now ;)

Edit: Grammar and a little addition.

[Edited on 05.03.2007 6:18 PM PDT]

  • 05.03.2007 6:04 PM PDT
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Ah, look at the lonely people...

I do agree that we need a method of rewarding (and thus encouraging) good behavior on the boards, which simultaneously avoids the problem of community division based on (used loosely) "rank". All this seems a bit much for a webforum, though, you know?

I mean, I've seen methods of encouraging good behavior before. Certain forums use "rep" points (my favorite example is the forum at Garry's Mod for Half-Life 2). This only works, however, if your community is not a bunch of idiots. Put just one na'er-do-well-er in the mix and they wreak havoc, down-repping everyone in sight. One solution, though, would be to only give the power to add/delete karma, rep, whatever you want to call it to the mods. However, this being such a big place and us simply not having the kind of moderating force to cover the entire boards every day, the worthy might not get rewarded appropriately per a simple matter of them being hidden by the multitudes.

Short and sweet, this is very tricky, given the type of community Bungie.net is. The system has to be absolutely perfect for it to work properly, and I, currently, haven't the foggiest idea of how to implement an ideal system.

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To be honest, I will spend most of my time in private groups and I am come to Bungie.net because I like it and not for any expectation of reward. I get plenty of rewards at Gamespot.com, but I like how Bungie is different. Whatever Achronos decides is fine with me. I really come here for the cool members (yes there are a lot of them but spammers and flamers seem to get most of the attention.)

Of course, I wouldn't mind finding out the latest Pimps@Sea info. That would be a great reward. :P

  • 05.03.2007 6:08 PM PDT

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  • 05.03.2007 6:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Thanks.

And while reading your reply, another related and somewhat similar thought occurred to me.

Since the return of the groups, Achronos has mentioned that only around 6,000 members are actually using them. While that is a significant number, for groups to be worth the effort of the web team, a larger user base and a higher percentage of members should be using them.

So, even in that area, rewards could be possible. For example, members of a group could "give" their TC to the group in order to add on additional features. Or groups could have their own "TC accounts" where the group itself gets trusted based on age, membership, stability of members, and the average trust rating of the membership. All of those things could allow the admins of the group to buy or enable some desirable group features.

For example, a highly trusted group might want the ability to post images in their forums. If they had enough TC, perhaps that could be allowed. or another group might want the ability to disable the blam-filter as they have mature discussions. If their members and the group has a high enough TC, that could be a possible reward for their combined trust.

Just more fuel for the fire here.


Excellent point, Recon. I would like to see rewards given to us in private ways. In other words, they would not be something that someone could notice by reading our posts, but more priviliges would be nice. I also would like to see groups have some kind of hidden rating that could open up new options for admins. Of course, we always need to avoid elitism, but we shouldn't let a fear of elitism and abuse discourage us from coming up with new innovations.

I am also curious about the 6000 figure. MBT and PF have over 1000 members each. I have been in probably the top 20 groups in Bungie and their combined memberships would equal well over that figure. How active does someone have to be in private groups? Following the same criteria, how many people are active in public groups?

Ultimately, my number one goal is to save the groups. Whatever we can do to improve them and make them more active, I am for.

Could Achronos turn over some group formatting functions to extremely trusted Bungie.net forum ninjas or B.net superusers? Is there any way that other Bungie personnel or ninja volunteers could help him with his? From his perspective (and I agree with him), groups aren't as important as Halo 3.

  • 05.03.2007 6:19 PM PDT
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Ah, look at the lonely people...

Additionally, I think one of the "rewards" of being a member at Bungie.net is the opportunity to interact with Bungie employees. It troubles me that more Bungie employees post more often at a fansite than they do on their own company forums. Granted, bungie employees are busy people, but I think that we should at least be granted the reward of engaging Frankie, sketch, ect... in conversations, rather than their customary bi-monthly posts.

  • 05.03.2007 6:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
For example, a highly trusted group might want the ability to post images in their forums. If they had enough TC, perhaps that could be allowed. or another group might want the ability to disable the blam-filter as they have mature discussions.

I disagree with this myself, there could always be that one person who decides to post nudy pics and swears alot. Little jimmy could go tell mommy and mommy wouldn't be too thrilled. But as far as the other things you mentioned with groups I agree, yet more thought needs to be put into that and quite frankly everything, but, I find that to be obvious.

Edit: Grammar.

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  • 05.03.2007 6:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: WhiteRaven119
Additionally, I think one of the "rewards" of being a member at Bungie.net is the opportunity to interact with Bungie employees. It troubles me that more Bungie employees post more often at a fansite than they do on their own company forums. Granted, bungie employees are busy people, but I think that we should at least be granted the reward of engaging Frankie, sketch, ect... in conversations, rather than their customary bi-monthly posts.


We have discussed this issue many times and I agree with you. However, I would surmise that Bungie employee interaction here is voluntary. I am sure most of them don't want the spam and flame that would come with increased activity here. I am just glad that the ninjas and Achronos are active. Furthermore, I do see the staff post from time to time in the Underground and the Halo forums.

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  • 05.03.2007 6:24 PM PDT

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Great ideas.. Kind of goes back to this thread that got completely ignored. :P Of course, I was just asking what some ideas are, and I gave three of 'my own'..

I don't know. I'm just waiting to see what happens. It seems all the changes/additions the web team makes are great ones, and ones I never even think of. I'm sure Achronos will pull something out that we'll all love and never see coming.

  • 05.03.2007 6:27 PM PDT

I'm not that active, but never dead.

This entire time I was under the impression that the 'Karma' or 'Trust level' that someone would have WOULD NOT be visible to them, and perhaps visible to the moderators. Even though I like the idea, having ranks or trust level visible would degrade these forums even more, as people would try as hard as they can to exploit the system, if they could figure out, reverse engineer, test, or whatever they can to understand how a higher level could be acheived.

Anything that resembles, could resemble, or is an implied 'competition' would have attempts to be explioted untill a way is figured out how to. As such, these 'rewards' you speak off would have be given out in a similar way that moderation on the forums is given out. I'm pretty sure, from what I have heard from people that have gained modship, is that they didn't see it coming(I could be wrong, I have been before). Rewards should be the same, just automated. You're on the site for a while, make good posts and generally try to be a good member, when suddenly, you get a PM saying that you have received the option to do something special that others don't have.

This is where wording I think would be very important. The english language is complex, and something as small as using the wrong words could hamper the system. As such, words such as "receive, and given", should be used over words such as "Unlocked, and Acheived". Such wording would give the proper impression of being 'rewarded' for good behaviour, instead of being 'awarded' for acomplishing some kind of goal.

Anyways, I need to go to work now, I'll see how this discussion develops tomorrow.

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  • 05.03.2007 6:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: WhiteRaven119
Additionally, I think one of the "rewards" of being a member at Bungie.net is the opportunity to interact with Bungie employees. It troubles me that more Bungie employees post more often at a fansite than they do on their own company forums. Granted, bungie employees are busy people, but I think that we should at least be granted the reward of engaging Frankie, sketch, ect... in conversations, rather than their customary bi-monthly posts.


Dangerous water. The only way such a thing would work is if say a group had a high (in this instance off Recon's idea) TC, then the employees might get the urge to stop by.

The only other way that would work is if there was a "Trusted" only forum. Where the employees sat down and made threads. But that would cause huge elitism....... Frankly any hopes of interaction on the level most want... or "exclusive" to B.net is impossible.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Perhaps I misquoted or misread the 6,000 member figure. I had assumed that it was (using a Halo 2 stat term) "unique members". In other words, if I am in 5 groups, I am still only counted as "1 member who uses groups".

My point is that if "trust" is going to relate to "reward" then trust becomes a form of currency. In order for it to have and maintain value, we have to avoid inflation and other economic pitfalls.

However, the good news is that by keeping someone's TC hidden, we then only see what occurs when it is spent. In other words, rather than like the ranks where the number is there and it is all that it is, TC could be like currency. Think about it, how do you tell if someone is wealthy? If they have money, but don't spend it on flashy things, then you might not know how much they have "in the bank".

Those who choose to spend TC could use it to liven up their profile page, contribute it to their groups, or other benefits (that I am hoping the membership can suggest). But spending it isn't mandatory. Those who come to the forums to simply interact and have a high trust rating because of that, they don't need to spend their TC. It's a matter of personal taste and personality.


Hidden rewards are a great idea, and I will always support them. You didn't misquote the 6000 figure. Achronos has mentioned it multiple times, but I am just curious about how it is formulated. Regardless, groups are not active enough and most go inactive in 3 months.

Members may worry about spammers and conquerors, but the NUMBER ONE enemy of groups is inactivity and that is a far larger problem. I hope Achronos finds ways to make them more active. I am concerned that eventually he may decide that groups are no longer worth the hassle.

[Edited on 05.03.2007 6:31 PM PDT]

  • 05.03.2007 6:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Perhaps I misquoted or misread the 6,000 member figure. I had assumed that it was (using a Halo 2 stat term) "unique members". In other words, if I am in 5 groups, I am still only counted as "1 member who uses groups".

My point is that if "trust" is going to relate to "reward" then trust becomes a form of currency. In order for it to have and maintain value, we have to avoid inflation and other economic pitfalls.

However, the good news is that by keeping someone's TC hidden, we then only see what occurs when it is spent. In other words, rather than like the ranks where the number is there and it is all that it is, TC could be like currency. Think about it, how do you tell if someone is wealthy? If they have money, but don't spend it on flashy things, then you might not know how much they have "in the bank".

Those who choose to spend TC could use it to liven up their profile page, contribute it to their groups, or other benefits (that I am hoping the membership can suggest). But spending it isn't mandatory. Those who come to the forums to simply interact and have a high trust rating because of that, they don't need to spend their TC. It's a matter of personal taste and personality.

I fail to see if it is hidden, how will members know how much they have to spend? I now have been thinking that they could possibly be hidden and those features would be acquired as you progress with the invisable TC's.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Perhaps I misquoted or misread the 6,000 member figure. I had assumed that it was (using a Halo 2 stat term) "unique members". In other words, if I am in 5 groups, I am still only counted as "1 member who uses groups".

My point is that if "trust" is going to relate to "reward" then trust becomes a form of currency. In order for it to have and maintain value, we have to avoid inflation and other economic pitfalls.

However, the good news is that by keeping someone's TC hidden, we then only see what occurs when it is spent. In other words, rather than like the ranks where the number is there and it is all that it is, TC could be like currency. Think about it, how do you tell if someone is wealthy? If they have money, but don't spend it on flashy things, then you might not know how much they have "in the bank".

Those who choose to spend TC could use it to liven up their profile page, contribute it to their groups, or other benefits (that I am hoping the membership can suggest). But spending it isn't mandatory. Those who come to the forums to simply interact and have a high trust rating because of that, they don't need to spend their TC. It's a matter of personal taste and personality.

I fail to see if it is hidden, how will members know how much they have to spend? I now have been thinking that they could possibly be hidden and those features would be acquired as you progress with the invisable TC's.


If it is hidden, it will only be visible to that user. No one will know how many rewards someone else may have.

  • 05.03.2007 6:32 PM PDT

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If it is hidden, it will only be visible to that user. No one will know how many rewards someone else may have.

Oh alright, that is what was meant. I do like that, and I agree however there was something that had sparked my mind on this, I shall look back on what I wrote elsewhere.

Edit: Actually, I see nothing wrong with seeing them, I even wrote that up above, I was getting a tad confused I guess.

[Edited on 05.03.2007 6:36 PM PDT]

  • 05.03.2007 6:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: WhiteRaven119
Additionally, I think one of the "rewards" of being a member at Bungie.net is the opportunity to interact with Bungie employees. It troubles me that more Bungie employees post more often at a fansite than they do on their own company forums. Granted, bungie employees are busy people, but I think that we should at least be granted the reward of engaging Frankie, sketch, ect... in conversations, rather than their customary bi-monthly posts.

Excellent idea!!!

A sort of "Champagne Room" where the Bungie team spends more time? Where every member would know that if they are jerks, they are out on their ear?

That might be an excellent reward/incentive and could even be enjoyable to the Bungie staff as well.

Precisely. You hit the nail on the head. I think this'd be a great way of handling our desire to converse with Bungie staffers. It'd have to be heavily moderated, though, as it'd most likely be the prime target for griefers because that's where the Bungie employees are more likely to post. That'd require beefing up the mod staff, and, well, that's a different matter entirely. ;)

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Posted by: WhiteRaven119
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: WhiteRaven119
Additionally, I think one of the "rewards" of being a member at Bungie.net is the opportunity to interact with Bungie employees. It troubles me that more Bungie employees post more often at a fansite than they do on their own company forums. Granted, bungie employees are busy people, but I think that we should at least be granted the reward of engaging Frankie, sketch, ect... in conversations, rather than their customary bi-monthly posts.

Excellent idea!!!

A sort of "Champagne Room" where the Bungie team spends more time? Where every member would know that if they are jerks, they are out on their ear?

That might be an excellent reward/incentive and could even be enjoyable to the Bungie staff as well.

Precisely. You hit the nail on the head. I think this'd be a great way of handling our desire to converse with Bungie staffers. It'd have to be heavily moderated, though, as it'd most likely be the prime target for griefers because that's where the Bungie employees are more likely to post. That'd require beefing up the mod staff, and, well, that's a different matter entirely. ;)


Agreed. That is a reward worth working towards. I would enjoy it, but how difficult would it be to recruit Bungie staff for it?

That is an idea that would definitely make things more interesting.

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Precisely. You hit the nail on the head. I think this'd be a great way of handling our desire to converse with Bungie staffers. It'd have to be heavily moderated, though, as it'd most likely be the prime target for griefers because that's where the Bungie employees are more likely to post. That'd require beefing up the mod staff, and, well, that's a different matter entirely. ;)

But if some griefer spent the time and energy making positive contributions on the public forums, all to build up enough TC to be allowed into the Champagne Room and tell Jason to "suck my ballz!".... well, they wouldn't get a chance for a second post, probably lose their entire TC balance, be disallowed from ever re-earning the privilege and their efforts in the public forums (while building TC) would still have occurred.


And that member could also get banned in the public forums. It would help keep people accountable and give an incentive.

  • 05.03.2007 6:42 PM PDT

If you don't got it, you want it. If you got it, you want more of it. Of course if you don't know what it is, it's hard to get any in the first place.

Here's my 2 cents.

Perhaps a system devised that Mods, Ninjas, and Achronos could "elect" members for a trusted status based off a good track record, Join Date, Quality posts, an interest in the community, fan projects, helpful nature, etc.

That way Members who had a solid interest in the Bungie community would slowly rise to the top of the barrel. Of course one wonders how the Halo 2 and 3 forums would take it......

  • 05.03.2007 6:45 PM PDT

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