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Subject: Going from Team Play to 1v1s: A guide
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Posted by: Fence_Jumper
dude.....reaver225.....if you have the time to type all that....you need to get yourself a girl/job/hobby


Haha, well, I typed that up in about 15 minutes after 3-4 hours studying for Uni exams and before that I was out at the range shooting targets... I think I deserved a break.

Just because it may take you like 5 hours to construct a legible sentence doesn't mean the rest of us can't write something mildly useful in a tiny fraction of that time.

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Posted by: Reaver225
Posted by: Fence_Jumper
dude.....reaver225.....if you have the time to type all that....you need to get yourself a girl/job/hobby


Haha, well, I typed that up in about 15 minutes after 3-4 hours studying for Uni exams and before that I was out at the range shooting targets... I think I deserved a break.

Just because it may take you like 5 hours to construct a legible sentence doesn't mean the rest of us can't write something mildly useful in a tiny fraction of that time.
Thank you.

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ya it only take me 2 min to rite a setance

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Posted by: Nessy
Have you ever played a 1v1 in halo? They work incredibly well and can be very fun. You say it doesn't work and say it wasn't designed for that? It is a team game, but is also a solo game. You are an elite spartan, not one of the crowd.

Yeah, in the story you are. What, you think because that's what the player's model is that you'll be automatically good when you touch multi player? That was weak.

You say that 1v1s don't work, and instead of pointing out what is wrong with them, you point out what is good about team games, this doesn't have any effect on your arguement.
As far as I'm concerned, you have no argument. I know your mind set and it won't change--it's like arguing religion with a zealot.

Also, considering that the majority of maps ask for more than two players with map size, I'd say that's one of the reasons why 1 v 1's don't always work. Yeah, you can have a 1 v 1 on Derelict, but you can have a lot more players on it as well. It's not like you can 1 v 1 on Blood Gulch and pass it off (unless you actually believe you can).

1 v 1 also denotes that when you first meet in contact then it's all about capping. This usually as follows as pulling out your pistol, jumping + crouching, and strafing around until you or your opponent kills you. Rinse, lather, gets old.

And what? A variant is sniping the person half across the map? Putting in a well placed rocket/nade? Waiting for him to round the corner and shotgun him in the face? Doesn't really matter; most weapons still go virtually untouched. Coupled with Halo PC's horrendous lag, then I'd say we've got ourselves a shouting match when one caps the other. "OMG lag." "LOL noob. U only say that cuz I cap u." "No it wuz lag." "Liar." "And u use pistol 2. U alwayz uze pistol." "Ya, well, u always uze sniper." "STFU." "STFU." And so on.

As for no fps games being designed for 1v1s, obviously you have never played q4, since there are gametypes such as tourney and DUEL.
No, I don't play Quake 4; I made it a case to not play sh***y sequels, remember? Also, Quake and Halo are two completely different games. In one, you don't move like a turtle and each weapon can actually cap equally as well if you know what you're doing with it (at least in Q2 and Q3 you can). Second, you have a threaded level, where there are multiple entrances and exits to different places, not some symmetrical hoopla of spawn and go.

Oh, and just because someone wins a 1v1 they become egotistical and stuff? People can boast equally about winning any size of match.
I've never seen anyone boast as much when they've won a 1 v 1 and it's usually the elitist kids in those team games that go, "OMG, 1 v 1 and I show u who pwn."

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Agammemnon, could you just take it on faith that it's theoretically possible to have fun playing 1v1 games without whining and complaining and boasting, even if Bungie didn't design the game specifically for it? As long as some people are having fun, does it really matter that much?

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ya it only take me 2 min to rite a setance


I swear to god my 7yr old brother can type and spell better than you!

Congrats for being able to "rite" a sentence in 2 min, it must be full of **** then!

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Posted by: Nessy
Have you ever played a 1v1 in halo? They work incredibly well and can be very fun. You say it doesn't work and say it wasn't designed for that? It is a team game, but is also a solo game. You are an elite spartan, not one of the crowd.

Yeah, in the story you are. What, you think because that's what the player's model is that you'll be automatically good when you touch multi player? That was weak.

You say that 1v1s don't work, and instead of pointing out what is wrong with them, you point out what is good about team games, this doesn't have any effect on your arguement.
As far as I'm concerned, you have no argument. I know your mind set and it won't change--it's like arguing religion with a zealot.

Also, considering that the majority of maps ask for more than two players with map size, I'd say that's one of the reasons why 1 v 1's don't always work. Yeah, you can have a 1 v 1 on Derelict, but you can have a lot more players on it as well. It's not like you can 1 v 1 on Blood Gulch and pass it off (unless you actually believe you can).

1 v 1 also denotes that when you first meet in contact then it's all about capping. This usually as follows as pulling out your pistol, jumping + crouching, and strafing around until you or your opponent kills you. Rinse, lather, gets old.

And what? A variant is sniping the person half across the map? Putting in a well placed rocket/nade? Waiting for him to round the corner and shotgun him in the face? Doesn't really matter; most weapons still go virtually untouched. Coupled with Halo PC's horrendous lag, then I'd say we've got ourselves a shouting match when one caps the other. "OMG lag." "LOL noob. U only say that cuz I cap u." "No it wuz lag." "Liar." "And u use pistol 2. U alwayz uze pistol." "Ya, well, u always uze sniper." "STFU." "STFU." And so on.

As for no fps games being designed for 1v1s, obviously you have never played q4, since there are gametypes such as tourney and DUEL.
No, I don't play Quake 4; I made it a case to not play sh***y sequels, remember? Also, Quake and Halo are two completely different games. In one, you don't move like a turtle and each weapon can actually cap equally as well if you know what you're doing with it (at least in Q2 and Q3 you can). Second, you have a threaded level, where there are multiple entrances and exits to different places, not some symmetrical hoopla of spawn and go.

Oh, and just because someone wins a 1v1 they become egotistical and stuff? People can boast equally about winning any size of match.
I've never seen anyone boast as much when they've won a 1 v 1 and it's usually the elitist kids in those team games that go, "OMG, 1 v 1 and I show u who pwn."


So pretty much, you decide if I have a case or not, and you are right even though every other person here disagrees with you? I have my mindset and won't change it? Since when have you ever changed your mind? I have played alot more halo 1v1s than you, so it would make sense that I would know alot more about it than you do.

How do you know a sequel is -blam!- if you have never played it? I didn't say the games were alike, I said it was made for 1v1s to be played in response to you saying thtat no fps game was designed for 1v1s, so I think it is obvious who is right their.

Weapons that are used in 1v1 if all weapons are allowed:

RL
FRG
Flamer
Pistol
Sniper
PR
Shotgun
Assault Rifle

CTF weapons if all are allowed:

RL
FRG
Flamer
Pistol
Sniper
Shotgun

There is never a time in a CTF map where you would use a PR, thus 1v1s use more weapons. On team slayer games the same number of weapons are used as in 1v1s, either way your point is disproved as I give actual examples as oppose to general assumptions.

1v1s work on:

Blood Gulch
Rat Race
Hang Em High
Chillout
Derelict
Beaver Creek

You can play 2v2s on all those maps, and the only additional one that works is sidewinder. You can't possibly be complaining over 1 map now can you? Also I would say that wizard only works 1v1, any more and dieing is far too quick. The reason 1v1s work on bloodgulch is that it is very open, and you come in contact with your enemy often, unlike less linear maps such as dc or sw.

If I recall you have been unable to play halo PC, so who are all these "elitist kids" you talk about, and clearly exaggerate about?

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I find wizard to be fun for 2v2s as well as 1v1s, but no larger. And I cant stand 1v1 or 2v2 on bg, too big a map imo. All the others I agree on.

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Posted by: Reaver225
Posted by: Fence_Jumper
dude.....reaver225.....if you have the time to type all that....you need to get yourself a girl/job/hobby


Haha, well, I typed that up in about 15 minutes after 3-4 hours studying for Uni exams and before that I was out at the range shooting targets... I think I deserved a break.

Just because it may take you like 5 hours to construct a legible sentence doesn't mean the rest of us can't write something mildly useful in a tiny fraction of that time.


yea i know that "i want a freaking break" feeling. i just got done with my uni exams last week (last thursday to be exact) and had a horrible sinus infection through the entire thing lol. (and it was a joke like haha nothing to take personal)

lets see i had calculus 2, Chemistry 1211, Econ 2100 all last week and they were all doozies (the rest of my classes the week before)

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Posted by: Reaver225
Agammemnon, could you just take it on faith that it's theoretically possible to have fun playing 1v1 games without whining and complaining and boasting, even if Bungie didn't design the game specifically for it? As long as some people are having fun, does it really matter that much?

When did I ever say you couldn't have fun with 1 v 1?

So pretty much, you decide if I have a case or not, and you are right even though every other person here disagrees with you? I have my mindset and won't change it? Since when have you ever changed your mind? I have played alot more halo 1v1s than you, so it would make sense that I would know alot more about it than you do.
Fail. Complete and utter fail. "Lol everyone agrees with me and I play 1 v 1 all the time so it is a FACT that I am right." You wouldn't last ten seconds in a real debate. Ten people do not represent every person who has touched Halo and you are not God as much as you'd like to make yourself believe that you are.

How do you know a sequel is -blam!- if you have never played it? I didn't say the games were alike, I said it was made for 1v1s to be played in response to you saying thtat no fps game was designed for 1v1s, so I think it is obvious who is right their.
I've played it extensively. It sucked. Also, you still fail utterly. I said, NO FPS WAS MADE AROUND 1 V 1. Just because Quake has a tourney mode doesn't mean the whole game is made around tourneys only. GJ.

There is never a time in a CTF map where you would use a PR, thus 1v1s use more weapons. On team slayer games the same number of weapons are used as in 1v1s, either way your point is disproved as I give actual examples as oppose to general assumptions.
WOW, Jambo, wow. GREAT argument. You win the internets. "lol dese weapons can be used." How about that. They can? I had no idea!

You know as well as I do that the pistol, the rocket launcher, and the sniper rifle are the three most commonly used weapons. The pistol, above all, is used the most. Don't try and act like this game isn't broken in by saying that "the other weapons can be used" when the pistol has more pros than cons than any other weapon.

Blood Gulch
Rat Race
Hang Em High
Chillout
Derelict
Beaver Creek

You can play 2v2s on all those maps, and the only additional one that works is sidewinder. You can't possibly be complaining over 1 map now can you? Also I would say that wizard only works 1v1, any more and dieing is far too quick. The reason 1v1s work on bloodgulch is that it is very open, and you come in contact with your enemy often, unlike less linear maps such as dc or sw.

Like I said, you'd believe 1 v 1 works on these maps if you told yourself so. Pistol-strafing on BG and HEH gets old fast. Both are huge maps are were definitely not made for 1 v 1's. Beaver Creek is symmetrical in base design and suggests small team play. Chill Out, Rat Race, and Derelict are much smaller, though Rat Race offers for larger FFA battles. Chiron is probably the best 1 v 1 map, considering that each area is small and inconsistent.

You can't just deem the map was made or can be played for 1 v 1 just because you said so, Jambo, nor if you've played it 1 v 1 as well. Yeah, you can play 1 v 1 BG, but it's utterly retarded to do so, and it's even more preposterous to defend it as so.

If I recall you have been unable to play halo PC, so who are all these "elitist kids" you talk about, and clearly exaggerate about?
You call incorrectly, as you usually do. I stopped playing nearly a year ago because of these kids. I couldn't go into a pub where children weren't arguing with each other and calling each other botters, each ending with, "Ok, 1 v 1, let's go." The only exaggeration in this matter is how you deem yourself ever-knowledgeable with Halo, especially when you call the net code "intentional" and "good." Again, zealous.

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Okay, firstly, I wouldn't last ten seconds in a real debate? You wouldn't last 5 because as soon as you say "Fail. Complete and utter fail" nobody would listen to your foolishness.

Exaggerating stuff that I say and bringing in my ego is irrelevant.

Remember aga, you argued that halo sucks for 1v1s, I didn't say it sucked for team games, so by saying maps are symmetrical and assuming they were made for team games is not an arguement. Just because it can be used as a team game doesn't mean it can't be used for a 1v1.

You complain that rl, sniper and pistol are used mostly? What is your point? Those are also used most in team games, again you have no arguement, you seem to be arguing against halo, not against 1v1s in halo. Then saying the game is broken? I bet you can't give me a single FPS game with a gun that is used more than other. AWP in CS, RL in Quake, RL in UT. All games have it, maybe you haven't palyed many games?

Just because something is repetitive doesn't mean that it doesn't work for 1v1s. Everything is repetitive in all games.

As I usually do? Again petty insults to disguise you clearly being wrong in this matter.

Again I will say you last post is of course as usual irrelevant, and above all else it is wrong, I will send you $50 over paypal if you can find ANY post I have EVER made that has me state that the netcode was intentional.

PS Try not to flame me, it really shows how bad you are at these debates.

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Okay, firstly, I wouldn't last ten seconds in a real debate? You wouldn't last 5 because as soon as you say "Fail. Complete and utter fail" nobody would listen to your foolishness.
Yeah, because I'm sure I'd have to because in a real debate you actually have factual evidence to back up your argument, not just make it up as you go.

Exaggerating stuff that I say and bringing in my ego is irrelevant.
I haven't exaggerated. All you've done is put yourself in denial. Your ego is relevant, though, because it comes into play every time you "argue."

Remember aga, you argued that halo sucks for 1v1s, I didn't say it sucked for team games, so by saying maps are symmetrical and assuming they were made for team games is not an arguement. Just because it can be used as a team game doesn't mean it can't be used for a 1v1.
That's not what the argument is about, but nice try. Also, where did I say they couldn't be used for 1 v 1? I said it would be illogical to do so.

You complain that rl, sniper and pistol are used mostly? What is your point? Those are also used most in team games, again you have no arguement, you seem to be arguing against halo, not against 1v1s in halo.
I'm arguing that you can't even have a successful 1 v 1 because the game is flawed. It's the same way for every other game mode. What is relevant to the whole game is relevant to the argument of 1 v 1as well, Nessy, or did you believe that wouldn't come up?

Then saying the game is broken? I bet you can't give me a single FPS game with a gun that is used more than other. AWP in CS, RL in Quake, RL in UT. All games have it, maybe you haven't palyed many games?
Maybe it is YOU who hasn't? Tell me, what weapon in F.E.A.R. is used more often then any other weapon? Hmm? Oh, that's right, you can't because each weapon in F.E.A.R. has equal pros and cons. Again, nice try.

Just because something is repetitive doesn't mean that it doesn't work for 1v1s. Everything is repetitive in all games.
No, it isn't. I've yet to find a repetitive F.E.A.R. multiplayer experience, a repetitive Civ4 experience, or a repetitive Neverwinter Nights experience.

As I usually do? Again petty insults to disguise you clearly being wrong in this matter.
That isn't an insult. That was a true statement towards you. You even saying something like that shows that it is you who is wrong in this matter.

PS Try not to flame me, it really shows how bad you are at these debates.
Ego much? Yeah, ego much indeed. Feed it a banana or something to calm it down so I might actually take you seriously and your innate argument as well.

aga ur argument seemed to be about people who just yell omfg pwnt when they're owning sum1 and omfg nub when they're gettin owned. just thought id point out that people who are like that in 1v1s are like that in teamgames also. also who cares whether or not those maps were made for teamgames, as long as people have fun playing them then who cares. so what if you dont like them? nobody actually cares so just stop posting in this thread and let it be for what it was originally for. a guide to 1v1s and discussion and improvement on that guide.
For one, I never said that that community wasn't abundant in other game types. Second, I never said you couldn't have fun in 1 v 1's. Third, I did not start this argument. Jambo and I could be doing this in the PM's, but we're not. Fourth, the last time I checked, this was called a public forum and I have a right to my opinion.

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How exactly is calling you by what I know you as an obsession? Poor diction on your part, maybe?

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Saying stuff like "Nice try" after every "point" is stupid. You are quite like me, we have an equal ego, my ego is backed up by how good I am at halo, you ego is how you just love to think you are always right, well guess what, you clearly aren't. You have changed the point of the arguement because you discovered yourself to be wrong. Instead of being a bigger man and admitting you are wrong, you can't because of your ego.

If you want, I will make it easier for you:

It is Okay aga, I was wrong, playing a 1v1 in halo IS stupid, worse than that, it is actually impossible. How could I be so blind to notice that playing a match on halo with only 2 people despite every major competition holding it is simply stupid. You were right aga.

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Thanks for teh secretz.

:O

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http://www.dra-clan.me.uk/Nessy/

Took very little time to make. You can also nade it from behind FRG and under needler. You can get the rockets from opposite base corners also.

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