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I don't like it too much, but when forced to use it, its not too bad when teamed with grenades and melee. It's another story when its a midsize map and the other team has taken the Battle Rifles, then its kinda crappy when you are trying to regain even ground.

  • 05.10.2007 12:11 AM PDT

WAT is this i dont even

i like it because in rumble pit i dont dual wield and i usually win just throw grenades fire then melee

  • 05.10.2007 1:03 AM PDT
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It sucks to have to start with it. You sure as hell wouldn't choose to start a gunfight with a pistol and a pocket knife when you could just as easily get an assault weapon and a hand-grenade.

I wouldn't mind still retaining them as a usable weapon, dual-wielded they aren't bad. Mated with something else, like the plasma pistol or magnum, even better. As a melee weapon they most definitely suck. A red-skittle punch with a smg might as well be bare handed.

I used to hate the plasma pistol until I figured out a full charge takes down shields.

  • 05.10.2007 2:58 AM PDT
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the smg is designed to be crap. there is no point in spawning with rocket launchers and snipers because then there would be no point in controlling the power weapons

  • 05.10.2007 3:02 AM PDT
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Pretty much, yes. It's not utterly useless, it's good on vehicles and you can start cooking when you dual it, but in general it's a frustrating and horrible gun.

Posted by: sean rulz
the smg is designed to be crap.

And therein lies the problem. You know what I hate most about the SMG? The fact that whatever you do, you can never ever get any bullets in the centre of the reticle. Even firing single shots to get rid of the recoil, your bullets will always go in a ring pattern. I hate that. I'm looking forward to halo 3 so I will never have to use one again.

  • 05.10.2007 3:37 AM PDT

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whats not to like about it? if you spawn with one big deal pick up a magnum, PP, or plasma rifle and dual it.

also smgs own banshees, i love making the banshee guy look like a dumbass by shooting him down with my smg

and you cant compare an smg to rockets they are 2 totally different weapons, compare it to a br/carbine

  • 05.10.2007 3:39 AM PDT
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I don't even think you can compare it to the BR/ Carbine.

Not just because I'm not a BR fan. (I still say it should be select fire between full and semi-auto fire modes).

I've even gotten to where I don't like the needler. The few times I played Halo 1 I loved the needler. Now, it stinks unless dual-wielded. Like the SMG. The SMG works very well with extreme close range slug-outs (unless of course a shotty is staring at you).

Now, where the hell did I leave those oranges again?

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  • 05.10.2007 3:50 AM PDT
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Posted by: nickyfour92
whats not to like about it?

It has a crappy range? It has a crappy accuracy? It doesn't hurt very much? You need two of them to be effective? Take your pick.

  • 05.10.2007 4:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: BadJMan
Posted by: nickyfour92
whats not to like about it?

It has a crappy range? It has a crappy accuracy? It doesn't hurt very much? You need two of them to be effective? Take your pick.


thats because its a close/medium range weapon. are you gunna say the shotgun sucks because it has bad range? and it does hurt very much, at close range. and like someone said before, if you have skills your good with every weapon

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Posted by: nickyfour92
Posted by: BadJMan
Posted by: nickyfour92
whats not to like about it?

It has a crappy range? It has a crappy accuracy? It doesn't hurt very much? You need two of them to be effective? Take your pick.


thats because its a close/medium range weapon. are you gunna say the shotgun sucks because it has bad range? and it does hurt very much, at close range. and like someone said before, if you have skills your good with every weapon

The shotgun also kills in one shot.

My skills have nothing to do with how innately crappy the SMG is. Not a single bullet goes in the centre of the reticle! It promotes spray and pray gameplay.

  • 05.10.2007 4:06 AM PDT
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While I luvs me a shotty, it does not ALWAYS kill with one shot. There be glitches floating around out there.

But, mostly you are correct.

I'm of the school that a close rage shot to the head with most anything should be a kill shot regardless.

  • 05.10.2007 4:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: C Moth
While I luvs me a shotty, it does not ALWAYS kill with one shot. There be glitches floating around out there.

Haha, yes you are right. The shotgun sucks too! But that's by the by.

  • 05.10.2007 4:13 AM PDT
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While we are on the subject of sucky things concerning weapons. Why does a sniper rifle not kill with one un-scoped shot to the head at close range but will do scoped from a mile? It would be nice if game developers would maybe take the time to keep the weapons performance consistent.

Halo 2 not the only offender here. MoH and some of the other 'storm the beaches' WW2 games are horrible. A 9mm handgun can kill you with a single shot to the head but a Thompson SMG won't, brilliant.

The sniper rifles should kill you with one-shot to the head no matter how the shot is made.

While I'm wishing, I would like a billion dollars ..... I'll wait .... No? Crap.

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  • 05.10.2007 8:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: MLGx Judas
No.

There's a difference between the weapon sucking and those who use it sucking.


very true, no weapons suck if you know how to use them
I agree, the SMG is a very good weapon if you know how to use it (not tryin to snipe with it) and it works good with almost any other dual-wielding weapon.

  • 05.10.2007 9:27 AM PDT

If you know how to use it?! That always cracks me up. Is it possible to not know? The instructions go something like this:-

a) tap trigger
b) repeat

Not exactly rocket science! I think we can assume anyone has been playing the game more than a month knows how to use it.

  • 05.10.2007 9:31 AM PDT
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You can use the SMG somewhat ranged if you keep in mind of the "Donut Spread".

  • 05.10.2007 9:55 AM PDT

Legally, it's questionable.
Morally, disgusting.
Personally, I like it.

'She's such a whore, when you're done you don't even have to pay her. You just have to get up and say thank you."

ok,I'm tired of people complaining about starting with a sucky weapon,They are NOT gonna start you with a powerful weapon,they WANT to give you a sucky weapon to start with,thats what they want,you can't all start with shotguns,thats what makes the game fun,picking up a powerful weapon and noobing someone,so if you hate the SMG so much,go get a better weapon and quit complaining

  • 05.10.2007 10:07 AM PDT
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The smg is better than sniper and rockets together pulse when far away and rip it when close up I defeated sniper and rockets with 1 clip!

  • 05.10.2007 10:14 AM PDT
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bad, so bad, so unbelivibly bad, but i guess its okay if the other person only has an empty magnum.

  • 05.10.2007 10:30 AM PDT
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It sucks, hugely, I can only thing of one good thing about it which is that its duel wieldable(which is quite good) but otherwise i prefer the assault rifle hugely (not annoyed at bungie, I couldnt have made a better game)

  • 05.10.2007 11:44 AM PDT
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I dont mind the SMG. maybe because I know how to use it. I would rather have a BR none the less. It is way better then the Magnum in my openion. THe Magnum is only good for beat downs and dual combos. and the SMG is a nice finisher weapon.

  • 05.10.2007 12:03 PM PDT

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Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Posted by: MonsterSpartan
What up with starting up with SMG's in matchmaking? It practically get you no where. The only thing that work is the second hand weapon. The SMG really sucks. The Magnum is better then the SMG. Including the plasma pistol. Not the Plasma Rifle cuz it's the same thing with the SMG


The SMG isnt all that bad if youre up close and dual-weilding. You just have to pump the triggers. By itself, id rather have a needler with 1 shot in it.

  • 05.10.2007 12:12 PM PDT

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