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When do these maps become free?

  • 05.14.2007 3:31 PM PDT

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Worst idea ever...http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=8664824

Well why don't you just -blam!- a little more? Hmm?

  • 05.14.2007 3:34 PM PDT
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some -blam!- -blam!-tard just sent me a pm pretty much stating that i suck because i said why would bungie do such a thing, it's -blam!- stupid. So here comes this waste of life to tell me that it's only 4 bucks to pay into what bungie is giving us???get the -blam!- out of here, it's a message board you -blam!- ass mongrel get a life stop drooling on your mom's sac.

And as for the ORIGINAL TOPIC:

I will say again, that I think that it's was a dumb move on Bungie's part, if they care about the fan sooo much, why on earth would we have to buy new maps in order to play old ones. THAT was the question I raised, it's not about the 4 dollars, it's about the fact that there are a TON of other games that have DLC available that DO NOT lock you out of things that the game previously allowed you to access. It's a money maker that's all. I said that I wasn't goin to buy these new maps because I had no desire to pay for them. Would you buy a hooker if you had no desire to -blam!- it?

  • 05.14.2007 5:04 PM PDT

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lol, I wouldn't go as far as to say you suck, I mean you are entitled to your opinion. I'm pretty sure that microsoft is responsible for the $4 price tag. I do understand your point about having to pay or else you cannot play but i'm sure that scheme was cooked up by and old man in a suit somewhere at microsoft HQ. Bungie in the past has been pretty fair, and I think blaming them is the wrong course of action especially since none of us can stand between microsoft and their $. But I said it before and I will and have gladly paid $4 to support the halo universe even if the $ isn't going to bungie directly.

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  • 05.14.2007 5:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: HomerSimpson356
When do these maps become free?


Sometime in July I believe, I know someone has the exact date.

  • 05.14.2007 5:49 PM PDT
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yeah i agree with you, but if I'm not mistaken weren't these suppose to originally be 360 exclusives? So how come I have to download them on my original xbox. I guess it makes it easier for bungie to have everyone running 1.5. That was an point i was trying to bring up about making 2 seperate rotations one running 1.4 using all old maps, and 1.5 using new ones. This way, everyone is happy.

  • 05.14.2007 7:25 PM PDT

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They were supposed to be 360 exclusive but it would seem that enough people who had the original x-boxes voiced their opinions of how H2 is an original x-box game and that releasing them on the 360 only would be unfair. which logically it would've been thus a little before the map release they announced that the maps would be for both consoles. I suspect that bungie originally stated this case to microsoft even before they announced the new maps but it took a little player opinion to sway the minds of the suits at Microsoft. I myself still have the original x-box and am waiting till H3 comes out to purchase the 360. I suspect that this quick change of heart by microsoft lead to all the DL problems in the first place. I wasn't able to get the new maps for 3 weeks. I would assume that the guys at bungie still answer to the Suits at Microsoft thus we find ourselves in this frustrating situation. If apple ever makes a console x-box will be screwed.
I of course could be completely wrong and the people at bungie are getting a great kick out of this or maybe I just thought to much about this but this is the most logical thing I could come up with considering bungies past track record (hella good) up until the past month which doesn't really seem to fit bungie at all hence MICROSOFT.

[Edited on 05.14.2007 10:18 PM PDT]

  • 05.14.2007 9:48 PM PDT
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This is the same issue that I'm having with the game. $4.00 would not put a strain on me financially in no way, shape, or form it's just that we're treading on dangerous territory now. They are holding us hostage by saying "Buy our new maps or your game will be limited until we say so." It's like my Halo has been downgraded to a demo version eventhough I paid $60.00 for it and $50.00 for live. This really makes me think....why the hell am I paying for live? I thought I paid for live to be able to play my games online but now that isn't the case. I have to purchase live plus pay whatever additional fee that a publisher/developer deems neccessary in order to play their game. Now just imagine if every developer/publisher started adopting these kinds of methods. The fee to play online would raise and the more games you play online the more you're punished. Believe me when I tell you this, Microtransactions can either be a nice addition to the industry or the death of it. Other then a couple short sighted fanboys, people will not go for this especially in this economic climate. I love games way too much to ever give up on them but I will give up on Microsoft in a heartbeat. This stuff makes the importance of choice even more important.

[Edited on 05.15.2007 2:10 AM PDT]

  • 05.15.2007 2:06 AM PDT

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The choice right now as far as H2 is concerned is pay now play now or wait 2 months or so. People have already sprung for this. How many people do you think have already payed 4$ for this? 500K? 1 million? The "economic climate" you speak of is A capitalist economy which means people pay for convenience,.... instant gratification.....it is the society in which we live. Besides $4 per person is hardly an economic climate especially in America or anywhere else where $4 buys you a gallon of gas and a pack of gum.
If you have just bought H2 and an XBL subscription then you actually are getting screwed but if you have been apart of it for more than two years then it is very small price to pay. And besides this is HALO were talking about, perhaps the best game to grace the X-box console. If microsoft and bungie said that they needed more money for a HALO movie and asked people to contribute $1-$5 over XBL would you? (w/ Peter Jackson directing of course)<----Not that i'm a total geek but the dude knows how to make good movies.

[Edited on 05.15.2007 3:07 AM PDT]

  • 05.15.2007 3:06 AM PDT
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The choice right now as far as H2 is concerned is pay now play now or wait 2 months or so. People have already sprung for this. How many people do you think have already payed 4$ for this? 500K? 1 million? The "economic climate" you speak of is A capitalist economy which means people pay for convenience,.... instant gratification.....it is the society in which we live. Besides $4 per person is hardly an economic climate especially in America or anywhere else where $4 buys you a gallon of gas and a pack of gum.
If you have just bought H2 and an XBL subscription then you actually are getting screwed but if you have been apart of it for more than two years then it is very small price to pay. And besides this is HALO were talking about, perhaps the best game to grace the X-box console. If microsoft and bungie said that they needed more money for a HALO movie and asked people to contribute $1-$5 over XBL would you? (w/ Peter Jackson directing of course)<----Not that i'm a total geek but the dude knows how to make good movies.


The point is that a game that I paid $60.00 for is currently crippled because I don't want to pay for some new maps. So I pretty much get left with a demo version of the game until I buy their new content...that's not right. Just imagine if this kind of tactic was adopted console wide and you were forced to pay 4-5 dollars everytime a developer/publisher added content to their game in order to maintain full functionality. That 4 bucks here and there would start to add up very very quickly and it would really become an inconvience. Consumers will not stand for it at all. Simple little mistakes like this can lead to the demise of the industry if it were to be adopted by all developer/publishers. Let's just hope it doesn't though so that we can continue to enjoy video games as long as we live.

P.S. Economic Climate - refers to the state of the economy not the $4.00.

  • 05.15.2007 3:33 AM PDT
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double post.

[Edited on 05.15.2007 3:36 AM PDT]

  • 05.15.2007 3:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: ll church II
Not all gametypes require the new maps. You can still play rumble pit, team training, team hardcore and btb.


Rumble Pit does require the new maps, Double Team doesn't.

  • 05.15.2007 4:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: XB0XDEM0N
Yeah, this whole thing is ridiculous!. I downloaded all the maps already along time ago and now I cant play Matchmaking!! The only games it will let me play is Big Team Battle and Team Hardcore!! You can even check my Stats..I only played Team Hardcore...


You need to redownload therm.

  • 05.15.2007 4:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: MarenLBC

The point is that a game that I paid $60.00 for is currently crippled because I don't want to pay for some new maps.....That 4 bucks here and there would start to add up very very quickly and it would really become an inconvience. Consumers will not stand for it at all. Simple little mistakes like this can lead to the demise of the industry if it were to be adopted by all developer/publishers. Let's just hope it doesn't though so that we can continue to enjoy video games as long as we live.

P.S. Economic Climate - refers to the state of the economy not the $4.00.



The game is still 100% functional...you can still play campaign to the full capacity. XBL is a service maintained by Microsoft. I really don't think this is the end of video games. Our "economic climate" is that of capitalism which means we live in luxury compared to the majority of the world. I.E. we pay for convenience. Halo 2 and XBL is a convenient luxury as far as the rest of the world is concerned (even a T.V. is a luxury). Most of us will pay $4 for a gallon of gas and a pack of gum.
So all together you will have ended up paying how much for the H2 experience? how long have you enjoyed H2 live? If you have been playing for a year or more $114 for a year or more of entertainment is not that much. In a capitalist society the corporations dole out the choices......The microsoft corporation has offered the choice to pay to play or wait 2 months. You have made your choice...and so have millions of other people. We are already paying through the nose for the things that are necessary to be apart of modern civilization (gas, electricity, even entertainment<---how much was the last movie ticket you bought?) Fighting Bungie is perhaps the wrong fight.

  • 05.15.2007 4:51 AM PDT

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Vote Judgedredd3000 for Senate.

lol...Sorry,.... I had to.

  • 05.15.2007 5:06 AM PDT
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4 dollars

  • 05.15.2007 9:18 AM PDT
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I don't see it as that big of a deal nothing to -blam!- this much about playing lvl 30s in snipes when u were a 25 blows other then that its all good..and just wait till they are free quit -blam!-in

  • 05.15.2007 10:42 AM PDT
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I completely agree we are playing what THEY want us to play, not what we paid for when we originally bought the game. And if you think about it we paid 4 bucks to get matches taken away, a level reset and to deal with all the cheaters that are trying to work they way up. They need to fix this mess and bring the rest of the matches, well fix what they still can. I wonder if they will try to pull this on Halo 3. I made topic a few days before about the same issue here:

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/halo2/show_msgs.php?topic _id=m-1-35274273&pid=562116

  • 05.15.2007 11:31 AM PDT

"We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that."

Somebody call the frakking WHAAAAAAAAAAAmbulance. You get two brand spanking new multiplayer maps for a grand total of 4 dollars. The only legitimate complaint about this is from those without credit cards, and even I, who lives out in the middle of bum-blam!- nowhere managed to get my hands on a Visa giftcard, and that will do the same damn thing. And guess what, in July you can get the maps for free, so in the event that you are a cheap bastard, if you have even the slightest bit of patience you can still get the maps.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAA my rank got reset! Guess what, you are not your rank or your -blam!- khakis. It's a number, big deal.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAA the cheaters are cheating again! What, you actually thought that they suddenly STOPPED cheating when they got to a level 40 before? The cheating is no different now than it was before the reset.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAA this isn't the game we paid for originally! You're right, it's not. It's got extra maps and balance updates now. -blam!-ing about the loss of certain playlists is pointless since Bungie wouldn't have removed them without good reason. You see, Bungie (The makers of Halo 2) probably have a better understanding of what the online Halo 2 community is playing than some random, irate jackwad from Kansas that doesn't like SWAT. Bungie has all kinds of nifty developer tools that feed them data about who is playing what, you don't.

I swear, the people on these boards are some of the most spoiled, ungrateful little pricks I've ever seen.

  • 05.15.2007 12:10 PM PDT
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Ok this is getting old so I'ma break it down:

1. I buy a game for $60.00,

2. I buy XBOX Live so that I can play the game online.

3. I play said game for 2 years.

4. All of a sudden some of my features are gone and I'm told they won't be back unless I wait 2 months or buy their new content.

Now I know some of you fanboys will eat anything Bungie feeds you but you gotta wake up and smell the Folgers in your cup. The issue is that you are getting bullied out of your money and if this tactic is something we can expect from other publishers/developers then we are fukked as a gaming community!! I understand that they gotta charge because the game is not the same game I bought in '04...but at least let me play the same game I bought in '04. Don't cripple it in order to force me to purchase your new maps. If this is adopted industry wide then gaming will fall faster then a ton of bricks. Some people don't have the money to spend on things such as new maps and they shouldn't be punished for it either. If you have 10 games you play online and each publisher is trying to squeeze money out your pocket like this you'll end up paying an extra $40 bucks just to get your games to operate regularly plus some extras. It might be ok with you but I refuse to get punked outta my hard earned money. Oh and Judge Dredd when I say "Economic climate" I'm referring to the actual state of the economy not the economic or political system itself. With gas, groceries, and property values rising but wages staying the same people are finding themselves with less and less disposable income. So if gaming is going to become something with recurring fees people will find themselves having to cut it out in order to lower expenses it's just that simple.

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  • 05.15.2007 1:32 PM PDT
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OMG quit complaining, this has been beaten to death already.

  • 05.15.2007 1:37 PM PDT

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it'd be silly


u said silly

  • 05.15.2007 2:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: MarenLBC
...... Oh and Judge Dredd when I say "Economic climate" I'm referring to the actual state of the economy not the economic or political system itself. With gas, groceries, and property values rising but wages staying the same people are finding themselves with less and less disposable income. So if gaming is going to become something with recurring fees people will find themselves having to cut it out in order to lower expenses it's just that simple.


Minimum wage is actually rising, Alot of states voted in the last election to increase their minimum wage. Alot of the things that are necessity are rising in price also, I think your right that this will become somewhat of a trend but Halo is an amazing game and microsoft knows that people will pay a minor fee of $4. Supply and demand. There are alot of other games that the developers know they can't charge a small fee for new content because their product is not as good. So it would seem that you don't have enough disposable income to pay $4? Alot of people don't have as much disposable income as they once did which you are right about but most people still have $4 to dispose on something they enjoy. The game is being limited because bungie is circling the wagons preparing for the drop off in player traffic due to the Beta and eventual release of H3 so yes the H2 era will be coming to a close but it is not because of the changes they have made. Soon we will have Halo3. The $4 seems to be the last attempt by microsoft to exploit their already highly profitable Halo2 game all together though Microsoft has lost money on their console endeavor. With this info in mind you should not be so shocked that a corporation is exploiting its customers/consumers. I would guess that alot of people have somewhere between 5-25 games for their consoles but most people only play 3-5 of them in heavy rotation, so on your logic that would be between $12-$20 for entertainment you cannot find anywhere else. I do see your point but I do no think you are being realistic, it is a bummer that we are in a sense getting held "hostage" but it's only for $4 dollars. This is what corporations do....especially software corps, This stuff should not come as a surprise to you.

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  • 05.15.2007 5:14 PM PDT
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New maps?
When were these relased? I havn't played Halo 2 in about a month.. is there something I don't know about?

  • 05.15.2007 5:18 PM PDT

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