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Subject: PRECONCEPTION about 40-50s

Posted by: Nomaderwho
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Posted by: Nomaderwho
5. Host box backouts
Not cheating.


I didn't say it was cheating did I? It is an manipulation of the system though. It was getting to the point that it was hard to find games because everyone kept backing out if they didn't have host boxes. So it did/does negatively affect the matchmaking system.
So going into matchmaking and getting team standbyed or modded every time after level 37 is what EVERYONE should do? Sounds pretty dumb to me. The option to back out is there, its built into the game, and its intended to be used (unlike button glitches and superjumping.) So why not use it?

Posted by: Sketto
Well, I didn't consider anyone legitimate pre-update, if they had a symbol.
Why not? because you couldn't get a team of 4 people that have the ability to use a mic and have a bit of teamwork? Its not hard to get a symbol, you just have to know how to control a map and the power weapons.

Haloshoota, I know how you feel. I got to a 43 in team slayer and a 35 in hardcore before the reset. I ended up deleveing in slayer with my friends because I was tired of listening to people tell me its not legit. For some reason, a lot people who can't get past a 32 (just an example) seem to think that nobody else can. I also agree with a bad mo fo. If you think your rank means anything, and you brag about it at all, then you're probably terrible and had to cheat for the rank. Being a 43 in Team Slayer doesn't mean anything unless I'm playing with my team. Even then, I could lose to someone who is a 25. Does that mean I suck? No. It means the 25 doesn't play matchmaking as often as I do.

Everyone who thinks K:D ratio=skill, I have been a up to a 43 in Team Slayer (way to far back to search, but here is a recent game before the stat reset where I was a 40.) Look at me K:D ratio. Its below 1:1. Why? Partially because I deleved a few levels. The main reason is because I am a support player. I'll get myself killed to return the flag. I'll be the guy who makes a suicide run to take down someone with a power weapon. I go negative all the time in Team Hardcore. The difference is, I have teamates who know how I like to play. They know I'm not the best slayer, but I have teamwork and I'll let my teamates take a power weapon over me. 4v4 in this game is based around teamwork. 4 people with teamwork will beat 4 very good individual players that don't have teamwork. Its that simple.

Edited to make a point, and because HaloShoota is smarter than I am.

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  • 05.14.2007 11:51 AM PDT
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Heres the thing, not every 40-50 cheated to get that high, but there ARE indeed some....

  • 05.14.2007 11:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: fragger1191
Posted by: Nomaderwho
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Posted by: Nomaderwho
5. Host box backouts
Not cheating.


I didn't say it was cheating did I? It is an manipulation of the system though. It was getting to the point that it was hard to find games because everyone kept backing out if they didn't have host boxes. So it did/does negatively affect the matchmaking system.
So going into matchmaking and getting team standbyed or modded every time after level 37 is what EVERYONE should do? Sounds pretty dumb to me. The option to back out is there, its built into the game, and its intended to be used (unlike button glitches and superjumping.) So why not use it?

Like I said before. When everyone is going in and backing out, it takes forever to find a game because everyone wants host boxes. Just go into the game, and if you are getting cheated quit and go to the next game. After all your rank is only a number.

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Posted by: Nomaderwho
Posted by: A BiG FaT EIiT3
Posted by: Nomaderwho
5. Host box backouts
Not cheating.


I didn't say it was cheating did I? It is an manipulation of the system though. It was getting to the point that it was hard to find games because everyone kept backing out if they didn't have host boxes. So it did/does negatively affect the matchmaking system.
So then what makes it not legit?

  • 05.14.2007 12:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: A BiG FaT EIiT3
Posted by: Nomaderwho
Posted by: A BiG FaT EIiT3
Posted by: Nomaderwho
5. Host box backouts
Not cheating.


I didn't say it was cheating did I? It is an manipulation of the system though. It was getting to the point that it was hard to find games because everyone kept backing out if they didn't have host boxes. So it did/does negatively affect the matchmaking system.
So then what makes it not legit?


IMO it's forcing an outcome that may not have actually happened had the system been allowed to function as it was supposed to.

  • 05.14.2007 12:37 PM PDT

I know... it sucks. I've never been a symbol but I have been in the 37-40 range and it's pretty bad, even at those ranks. It's like if you have a really bad game, then you don't deserve your rank. And if you have a really good game, then you were cheating and still don't deserve your rank. It's impossible to win. The best thing you can do is just laugh at whoever is making fun of you and say, "Haha well at least I have a symbol and you don't." Or something.

  • 05.14.2007 12:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Nomaderwho
Posted by: A BiG FaT EIiT3
Posted by: Nomaderwho
Posted by: A BiG FaT EIiT3
Posted by: Nomaderwho
5. Host box backouts
Not cheating.


I didn't say it was cheating did I? It is an manipulation of the system though. It was getting to the point that it was hard to find games because everyone kept backing out if they didn't have host boxes. So it did/does negatively affect the matchmaking system.
So then what makes it not legit?


IMO it's forcing an outcome that may not have actually happened had the system been allowed to function as it was supposed to.

Wow. Okay. So then what about quitting a game? The system didn't intend for you to quit, but you did anyway. It surely isn't cheating, but is it really manipulating the system?

I find it hard that someone can put backing out of boxes in the same "manipulating-the-game" category as standbying or modding.

  • 05.14.2007 12:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: xl OC Girl lx
Posted by: Nomaderwho
Posted by: A BiG FaT EIiT3
Posted by: Nomaderwho
Posted by: A BiG FaT EIiT3
Posted by: Nomaderwho
5. Host box backouts
Not cheating.


I didn't say it was cheating did I? It is an manipulation of the system though. It was getting to the point that it was hard to find games because everyone kept backing out if they didn't have host boxes. So it did/does negatively affect the matchmaking system.
So then what makes it not legit?


IMO it's forcing an outcome that may not have actually happened had the system been allowed to function as it was supposed to.

Wow. Okay. So then what about quitting a game? The system didn't intend for you to quit, but you did anyway. It surely isn't cheating, but is it really manipulating the system?

I find it hard that someone can put backing out of boxes in the same "manipulating-the-game" category as standbying or modding.


I didn't say it was in the same category. Quit putting words in my mouth. Standby and modding are in a class of their own. I just didn't like the whole backing out thing. It made it really hard to find games. And yes you are manipulating the system to get the kind of game you want. It's along the lines of listening for maps. I'm not saying they are horrible or anywhere near as bad as the above mentioned, but they are forms of manipulation.

  • 05.14.2007 12:56 PM PDT
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You get ranked up by beating people ranked around or higher than you. Therefore, the best Halo2 player in the world will have the highest rank %, and the second best player will have a slightly lower, yet still significant rank (50). As you move down the ranks, you encounter less skilled, and therefore, lower ranked people. If somone has a higher rank than you, it is more than likely because they ARE BETTER THAN YOU. If someone beats you in bowling do you call HAX and say they cheated? If you're playing basketball and someone packs your shot do you say their shoes give them an unfair height advantage? Stop whining. A higher rank means this person is probably better than you.

  • 05.14.2007 2:43 PM PDT
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Lots of people find excuses for the legit symbols because they can't get one themselves.

I'm positive if one of those "There isn't anyone above 40 Legit!!" kids were to spend some time ranking up with good people, they'd take back everything they said.

And I'm speaking of this through experience. I used to be one of those people who thought anyone above 40 wasn't legit because I didn't understand how to rank up properly. After being shown the way, I can clearly see that there are tons of legit symbols, and even some legit 50's.

  • 05.14.2007 3:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bubble Boy 420
Yea right this haloshoota98 guy says hes a 45 but he cant hold down a 1.00 average, he and most 40,s and 50,s are full of it. Ive never cracked the 38 mark but my kill to death ratio has never been that low.The only way your a 45 with a ratio that bad is if all you play is team skirmish. (and nick no one can get above a 30 legit? that is sad if your really believe that)


100% agreed, sure i dont play halo 2 anymore (i quit about a month ago, got a 360 and i can't download the maps and i'm to lazy to unhook the 360 to play it) but before the reset i kept going back between a legit 37-38 and had around a 1.6 k/d ratio. if you cant get above a 1.0 average and are above a level 40 you are either a a. cheater or with a cheater b. have better friends you play with or c. team skirmish/btb skirmish

36-38's rule FTW

and whats the highest lvl out there since the reset?

hahaha and i remember when i sucked at halo 2, the first few months it came out i had never played it before, i used to think everyone ranked 16 and up was a nerd. Then i got good =)

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  • 05.14.2007 3:14 PM PDT

Posted by: Bubble Boy 420
hey fragger customs dont count towards your ratio, and if you read carefully what i wrote it says i could understand if you play skirmish but any other game type below a 2.0 is very weak.
The more you know I guess...heh. Also, I guess I should have used better wording in my post, my comment was not just directed to you. I have seen a lot of people on these forums use K:D ratio to judge someones "skill." I'll reword my post :)

Nomaderwho, I'll agree with you that it made it harder to find games. However, would you rather sit and wait for host boxes? Or just go in and get modded/team standbyed all day long? It might take a while to get a game that way, but using somthing in the game to make sure you don't get cheated. I would rather it take a long time to get a game and win or lose legit, then spend an afternoon losing because some kid cares too much about a number. For me, its not about the number/symbol, its about playing and having fun. Getting modded/standbyed=/=fun to me.

  • 05.14.2007 3:21 PM PDT
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only some...I'm all for people who are legit and get high levels, i know many, but you must understand this (inserting random but probably true fact) 97% of everyone above lvl 45 is a cheater....I've almost played 5000 games and have seen almost everykind of cheating possible, warthogs flying, spawning and all of the sudden get sniped from the sky as with teammates. Personally i'd be low 30's before the update but I always got stuck with lame, slow, unmotivated people in BTB Skirmish. I will congrats anyone and everyone who did it legit, but if you even in the same party as a cheater and knew about it, even if you didnt do it yourself that is still cheating. End

  • 05.14.2007 7:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sketto
Well, I didn't consider anyone legitimate pre-update, if they had a symbol.
That's why Sketto is the asshat as we all know him today.

  • 05.14.2007 7:31 PM PDT
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True. Once I was matched with random people in a slayer, I still remember their gamertags, and they were standbying like crazy. But I wasn't mad or didn't quit, we were winning because of it. I have no idea how to standby, but effectively, I standbyed.

  • 05.14.2007 7:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: TeQuerra
True. Once I was matched with random people in a slayer, I still remember their gamertags, and they were standbying like crazy. But I wasn't mad or didn't quit, we were winning because of it. I have no idea how to standby, but effectively, I standbyed.


thanks for admitting you cheated?

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Posted by: fiero87gtr
only some...I'm all for people who are legit and get high levels, i know many, but you must understand this (inserting random but probably true fact) 97% of everyone above lvl 45 is a cheater....I've almost played 5000 games and have seen almost everykind of cheating possible, warthogs flying, spawning and all of the sudden get sniped from the sky as with teammates. Personally i'd be low 30's before the update but I always got stuck with lame, slow, unmotivated people in BTB Skirmish. I will congrats anyone and everyone who did it legit, but if you even in the same party as a cheater and knew about it, even if you didnt do it yourself that is still cheating. End



the ratio is no where near that high....seriously, stop exaggerating. my brother was a legit 46 along with a couple of his buddies that he partied with (they always played slayer together, same 4 guys). they were an awesome team. it takes a ton of individual skill and lots of co-ordinated teamwork to hang at a level that high. he did probably get modded/standby'd like 50% of the time until this last patch that came out that took care of that issue. he was a 42 until the patch came out, and could actually get real legit games after the patch that lagged out bridgers/modders. you wouldn't really realize how good some people are or how tactical they are when they play until you actually sit there and watch someone who's really talented play a few games.

PS - above like lvl 32ish pretty much everyone BxR's/double shots so even though it's a 'glitch', EVERYONE does it and it has pretty much just become a part of the game. you won't get banned for doing it, it's just too widespread.

  • 05.15.2007 5:07 AM PDT
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wuts the point of cheating to get to a level so high? so u look cool on your friends list right? i bet you feel good in your halo 2 life because u just wasted 50 bucks. if u ever went into matchmaking without being legit, you will get owned

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Posted by: fragger1191
Posted by: Sketto
Well, I didn't consider anyone legitimate pre-update, if they had a symbol.

Why not? because you couldn't get a team of 4 people that have the ability to use a mic and have a bit of teamwork? Its not hard to get a symbol, you just have to know how to control a map and the power weapons.


Well using your line of thought it would probably because I didn't care enough about matchmaking to wait a half hour to get boxes and someone to match up. I'd rather play the game then wait in a pregame lobby. But that's not the reason that I didn't consider anyone legitimate pre-update, if they had a symbol. The reason is simply that no one can prove to me that they are legitimate.

  • 05.15.2007 11:32 AM PDT
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Anyone who got to their raink without the use of the following....Congrats! Anyone else...shame on you.

1. Circle boosting
2. Modding
3. Forcing host (even to prevent getting cheated)
4. Standby
5. Host box backouts
6. Glitches

Exactly!! Unless you played TS by yourself and got extremely lucky by not getting any deranker's on your team or cheaters on the other team, everyone cheated for there level at one point or another. If you didn't yourself cheat you played with friends or people that did in the same party, so your just as guilty. Reseting the ranks is really what halo2 needed seince it will show who really is the level that they claimed to have been, by earning it with team work and skill. It is also sad to see that we will also see the cheaters that still have to standby to get a level 10 in TS, these are the true fake 40's and the loosers of halo2 that can't stand to loose to players who are better than them.

MX.

  • 05.15.2007 11:54 AM PDT
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Host. Box. Is. Legit.

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Posted by: haloshoota98
i have been quickly glancing through the forum and have noticed many accusations about high levels ALL being cheaters. This is however, highly untrue. Before the rank reset, there were between 500 and 1000(maybe even more) legit symbols. When i used to go into training games, the first words i would hear were either, "SO HOW WAS MODDING; or; HOW DOES IT FEEL TO CHEAT" it was the most annoying thing ever. Even if I would go 30-1, it would be that i somehow had auto-aim or some stupid comment like that! Please people, you have to understand that there will be people better than you. ALSO, higher ranked people DO in fact have bad games. So if they go 15-17 in a game, chances are that they were having a bad game. Then with all of this comes the cheating feedback. I know dozens of spectacular players that get suspended for dominating the other team. So now that the ranks reset and someone says that they used to be a 40, Don't immediatly assume that they cheated. TRY looking at their skill in the game.


yes i agree. Also whenever i get host in a game look at my connection it sucks!. people acusse me of standbying! WRONG!! I have severly bad connection. If there lagging.....guess what? so am i! -blam!-es stop blaming me!

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Lots of people find excuses for the legit symbols because they can't get one themselves.

I'm positive if one of those "There isn't anyone above 40 Legit!!" kids were to spend some time ranking up with good people, they'd take back everything they said.

And I'm speaking of this through experience. I used to be one of those people who thought anyone above 40 wasn't legit because I didn't understand how to rank up properly. After being shown the way, I can clearly see that there are tons of legit symbols, and even some legit 50's.
I was one of 'em :). and Gobstopper if you read this, you suck at life :D.

  • 05.15.2007 2:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: I i QuiT HaLo I
Remember when they had head to head? I had a 33 in that. Don't believe me? Play me.
LI NIGHTMARE II


question. wasn't head to head removed at the first update?

wasn't that the time when level 25-30 meant about 16-17?

just curious.

because if that is so.. . you are not a 33. . . the highest levels back then were like 26 . . . haha



Posted by: some -blam!-
Yea right this haloshoota98 guy says hes a 45 but he cant hold down a 1.00 average, he and most 40,s and 50,s are full of it. Ive never cracked the 38 mark but my kill to death ratio has never been that low.The only way your a 45 with a ratio that bad is if all you play is team skirmish. (and nick no one can get above a 30 legit? that is sad if your really believe that)


STFU dude. . . you are not cool. . . haloshoota98 is good. i've played him before haha. it was no bueno. your k//d ratio doesn't matter. especially if you've ever been modded. . . becasue then you go 1 and 20. . . or if you've ever played team swat. . . where you go 30 and 1. . .
so just be quiet. you are not cool. even if you were playing team skirmish you have to get more kills then deaths. . . if you are dead more then the other team then you won't capture the flagg/ hold the ball//king the hill// or whatever else you have to do.

  • 05.15.2007 2:20 PM PDT

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