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Subject: New wave of cheaters

Since the latest update I believe I have now been on the receiving end of more cheating -

1. Host cheaters (seemed to be reduced straight after update, now seems to be the same as prior to update)

2. Latency/Lag rife games due to host using firewall software to slow opposing team players

3. More button combo'ing than ever (hate this with a passion)

4. Superbouncers as always

Anyone else had more cheating experiences since the latest 1.5 update?

  • 05.15.2007 7:59 PM PDT
Subject: New wave of cheaters

I forgot to ask, do you think cheating has even reduced?

Sure it did for a little while straight after the update, but now its seems the same.

Also can someone please explain why off host the weapons range and splash damage etc is so much less. It paticularly sucks from down under on the new maps because they're so open planned opponents can simply BR me from across the map. My shots however light up their shields for a whole clip, give or take a few shots...then nothing their shields aren't even crackling after an entire clip, sometimes more.

I understand latency etc but why would the weapons range be affected? Makes no sense to me.

[Edited on 05.15.2007 8:03 PM PDT]

  • 05.15.2007 8:01 PM PDT
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I dont really think super jumping or pressing buttons in a orderly fasion is cheating..

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Posted by: glitchingforgod
I dont really think super jumping or pressing buttons in a orderly fasion is cheating..


i dont think its cheating just superjumping takes too much time for me + i dont feel like doin it
button combos i use very rarely

  • 05.15.2007 8:13 PM PDT

You know what why don't you stick it where the sun doesn't shine mate!

Not cheating...where do these no brain forum losers come from? If it's not in the game manual then it's a cheat. Simple. If it's an unfair advantage its a cheat...shall I go on?

Go ahead PM a mod or Achronos or call Bungie and see what is cheating. Just because you cannot win legit you defend these crappy cheats.

If you don't want them to be cheating then play customs or visit an MLG event, just don't screw up MM for the rest of us . Best of luck there.

Hell I'll even request/challenge a mod or Acrhonos here and now...

Please get an official link or statement on what is and isn't cheating exactly!

Please don't just point us to the cheaters FAQ page, which is out-of-date and still says your investigating superbounces (please, more like we can't alter the code so you're stuck with it).

It is high time an official cheating sticky was introduced into the Halo 2 forums.

A sticky thread that compiles a detailed and descriptive list of known cheats, while providing an official reference on what Bungie consider cheating and not. Really why wasn't this done throughout the years of Halo 2?

Bungie forget playing nice with MLG please, just inform us exactly what you consider cheating in MM.

Here's a quick list to get you started -

1. bridging for host
2. standby for host
2. on purpose firewall latency
3. on purpose lagging people out
4. superbouncing
5. button combos
6. out of map

Hey I'd even be grateful if you just commented on that list alone. The 95th percentile covered there I think.

  • 05.15.2007 8:23 PM PDT

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Who are you??? they are just stating their opinion that they dont think it is cheating. i have not been cheated since the update. i do not think that button glitching is cheating, i will not leave anyone feedback for it. secondly superbouncing never wins games, most of the time you can pick off their teamates left alone on the ground. what ever you said about host slowing down players, has GREATLY reduced. i have not been team- standby'd since it, but i have heard people have. as for regular standby, that will always be there, but its harder now that host is random.

oh and as for the comment that if its not in the manual, its cheating. i am 100 % sure that telefragging is not cheating, but it is not in the manual. defend your own statement.

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  • 05.15.2007 8:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Oddley765
Since the latest update I believe I have now been on the receiving end of more cheating -

1. Host cheaters (seemed to be reduced straight after update, now seems to be the same as prior to update)

2. Latency/Lag rife games due to host using firewall software to slow opposing team players


Anyone else had more cheating experiences since the latest 1.5 update?


Bungie messed up MM in my opinion with the last update. Cheating is way worse than before.

1. Off host mods are more prevelant.

2. Team standby is rediculous now. Instead of red bar the cheaters have toned down the up/down time settings so it makes the opponent lag just enough to get owned. Makes it look like system lag but it's not....very sneaky cheat!

Before the update some people bridged to not get cheated. Those games never had lag/latency team standby issues. Now a lot of the ones who bridged for host not to team standby do team standby now...so now you have them doing it along with the ones who used it to cheat doing it. Now more matches get cheated in than ever.

Halo2 MM has lost it's appeal to many. Resetting ranks now has made more people quit the game, if they do play they don't try (suicide, betray, carry the bomb/flag to other teams base) or they quit when they get down by 5 or (1) flag/bomb. Most don't give a $h1t anymore.

The new maps that were hopefully gonna keep interest in gamers playing Halo2 are not real exciting to play.

Bring on Halo3!....Halo2 is worn out game that is dieing a much faster death after this last update. Re-name it CHEATHALO2....lol

  • 05.15.2007 8:46 PM PDT
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Just stop playing halo 2 at all and come and play the beta. I'm not sure if i'm going to go back to halo 2 after the beta runs out, i don't want to spoil the halo nirvana i'm in. I think halo 2 might die out as the beta starts and even afterwards.

  • 05.15.2007 8:53 PM PDT
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It has.

  • 05.15.2007 9:33 PM PDT

"The road less traveled is often better than the beaten path"

I agree with NickL. I am done with Halo 2. After the stats where reset a week ago it just plain sucks. I was apparently one of the "Few" people that actually played BTB Skirmish. Now that it is gone the game stinks to me, as well as all of my friends on my friends list. I just pray to god that there are no cheaters in Halo 3, although I belive it will only be a matter of time before someone hacks it. I also hope there will be no super jumping or button combos to ruin this game as well. I believe everyone should have an equal chance. I didn't read anywhere in the original Halo2 directions about special button combinations. It's BS. The people that use those are the same people that cut in line in grade school, or looked at someone elses test cause they were always looking for the easy way out. I know some of these idiots will eventually respond to this post, which is why I will not pay anymore attention to it. They will say stuff like " Well why did they put it in the game?" and,"If you don't know how to use it, stop being a crybaby!" The truth is, it's the principal of the whole thing. I don't know, I guess I'm beating a dead horse here.

  • 05.15.2007 9:55 PM PDT

"We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that."

"they are just stating their opinion that they dont think it is cheating."

Not all opinions are equal, in fact many opinions are outright stupid. If I were to tell you that it is my opinion that the sky is in fact plaid, that would be a stupid opinion because it's clearly -blam!- blue. In this case, the opinion that superbouncing and abusing other glitches in the game is not cheating is an invalid opinion, because they are ABUSES OF GLITCHES IN THE GAME.

It's sickening how utterly incapable many of the people who post here are of understanding that basic fact.

  • 05.15.2007 10:09 PM PDT

Posted by: torque_bow
Halo2 MM has lost it's appeal to many. Resetting ranks now has made more people quit the game, if they do play they don't try (suicide, betray, carry the bomb/flag to other teams base) or they quit when they get down by 5 or (1) flag/bomb. Most don't give a $h1t anymore.

The new maps that were hopefully gonna keep interest in gamers playing Halo2 are not real exciting to play.


I agree with most of what you said, clearly stated and with examples. I like it. I feel your pain about people quitting and not giving two hoots anymore. Just the nature of the Halo 2 demographics I guess.

As for the new maps I find the BR range difference between USA players and international players a total joke. With little cover if you want to accomplish anything, I get toasted by superior firepower, even if I have the same weapon.

Here's to Halo 3 not having 20% of the cheats!

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Posted by: Oddley765
I forgot to ask, do you think cheating has even reduced?

Sure it did for a little while straight after the update, but now its seems the same.

Also can someone please explain why off host the weapons range and splash damage etc is so much less. It paticularly sucks from down under on the new maps because they're so open planned opponents can simply BR me from across the map. My shots however light up their shields for a whole clip, give or take a few shots...then nothing their shields aren't even crackling after an entire clip, sometimes more.

I understand latency etc but why would the weapons range be affected? Makes no sense to me.
to the host, you're missing your shots therefore you lead your shots :D

  • 05.15.2007 10:55 PM PDT

Posted by: TIGHCLOPS
"they are just stating their opinion that they dont think it is cheating."

Not all opinions are equal, in fact many opinions are outright stupid. If I were to tell you that it is my opinion that the sky is in fact plaid, that would be a stupid opinion because it's clearly -blam!- blue. In this case, the opinion that superbouncing and abusing other glitches in the game is not cheating is an invalid opinion, because they are ABUSES OF GLITCHES IN THE GAME.

It's sickening how utterly incapable many of the people who post here are of understanding that basic fact.


Wow, thanks for articulating a defense response for me; in reply to the guy who asked me to defend my statements. I agree the forums have somehow hit a standard that just any opinion should be acceptable. I agree that is insane, if any opinion was valid nothing would ever be improved upon now would it?

  • 05.15.2007 10:56 PM PDT

Of course you'd have that reaction mate, you don't think button combos are cheating in MM.

If you read some of my earlier posts in this thread you'll quickly realise that I requested a Mod or Bungie official to stop this discrepancy of what is cheating in MM.

Also do you seriously think host is random? If so you are misinformed to the extent it's just not funny! You comments are ambigious within themselves, how could superbouncing not be cheating if you 'pick off' the opponents left on the ground? Would the kill not count in Slayer games OR perhaps that players would have gotten into your base had you not had the elevated advantage. what of when you kill a superbouncer and the weapon is lost and not recoverable by the one who go the kill? Think before you hit the reply button to suit your own cheating ways mate.

Screw any opinions about cheating, it should not be open to opinion but the 'rules' that Bungie decided when they made the game. Not my opinion, not yours..cold hard facts from Bungie, that to date they have yet to produce.

  • 05.15.2007 11:02 PM PDT

Posted by: Gh0stly Assassin
[quote]to the host, you're missing your shots therefore you lead your shots :D


I do lead my shots, I even see the shield flare when a bullet connects on the opponents shield when I have led my shot correctly.

It just does not do any damage or the host 'rejects' my shots as missed. If the latter then I am screwed no matter how I aim, because what I am seeing is in fact an illusion of latency.

What of stationary targets? I have also had the same effect on stationary targets, in which case leading does not apply.

[Edited on 05.15.2007 11:07 PM PDT]

  • 05.15.2007 11:06 PM PDT

Posted by: NickL19
Just stop playing halo 2 at all and come and play the beta. I'm not sure if i'm going to go back to halo 2 after the beta runs out, i don't want to spoil the halo nirvana i'm in. I think halo 2 might die out as the beta starts and even afterwards.


I'd love to but I am not buying a 360 until I have tested XBL Halo 3. I want to make sure international players are better catered for and cheating is no where near Halo 2's statistics. Without first testing the new Halo 3 hawtness I won't commit. In this respect the beta does not mean much to me.

I actually only play Halo 2 on my original xbox and I will only play Halo 3 on my 360, if the game services legit international players better. Otherwise I have had enough of Microsoft, Xbox Live & Bungie (now an Ms prodigy child, sad days). The hosting setup of XBL is crap, I do however have enormous respect for Bungie and believe they are up to the challenge of todays crappy Internet. Fingers crossed I still hold out hope for regional choice.

I hope you all enjoy the beta, I really do. But for me it does not justify the cash as yet. Besides the 360's will only be cheaper in Sept.

  • 05.15.2007 11:14 PM PDT

Posted by: navilord
It has.


I would agree for a certain percentage of cheats. Like how you get dumped back to the game selections screen when someone trys to cheat for host or whatever. But I have already seen and heard players get around that, pity.

  • 05.15.2007 11:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Oddley765
You know what why don't you stick it where the sun doesn't shine mate!

Not cheating...where do these no brain forum losers come from? If it's not in the game manual then it's a cheat. Simple. If it's an unfair advantage its a cheat...shall I go on?

Go ahead PM a mod or Achronos or call Bungie and see what is cheating. Just because you cannot win legit you defend these crappy cheats.

If you don't want them to be cheating then play customs or visit an MLG event, just don't screw up MM for the rest of us . Best of luck there.

Hell I'll even request/challenge a mod or Acrhonos here and now...

Please get an official link or statement on what is and isn't cheating exactly!

Please don't just point us to the cheaters FAQ page, which is out-of-date and still says your investigating superbounces (please, more like we can't alter the code so you're stuck with it).

It is high time an official cheating sticky was introduced into the Halo 2 forums.

A sticky thread that compiles a detailed and descriptive list of known cheats, while providing an official reference on what Bungie consider cheating and not. Really why wasn't this done throughout the years of Halo 2?

Bungie forget playing nice with MLG please, just inform us exactly what you consider cheating in MM.

Here's a quick list to get you started -

1. bridging for host
2. standby for host
2. on purpose firewall latency
3. on purpose lagging people out
4. superbouncing
5. button combos
6. out of map

Hey I'd even be grateful if you just commented on that list alone. The 95th percentile covered there I think.


So do you use BxB? Because then your a cheater too.

People learn stuff in a game. If it was cheat why doesnt bungie put an update in to make halo2 the way it use to be when it took 4,5,6 melees to kill someone. Your the idoit for taking the info and playing the game like everyone else is doing. But super jumping is dumb. I hate those kids. But its in the game. Its in it.

[Edited on 05.16.2007 12:22 AM PDT]

  • 05.16.2007 12:21 AM PDT
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honestly, if everyone can do it, why is it unfair?

  • 05.16.2007 2:01 AM PDT


honestly, if everyone can do it, why is it unfair?

If you are talking about superjumps then maybe you didn't know but not everybody can do them. There are lots of people out there with PAL-50 tv's and those people can't superjump because of the same kind of glitch that makes it possible for others. Thats why it's unfair.

In terms of button glitches, I agree with you and if people just used skill I wouldn't really have a problem. But some people can't be bothered to learn them and just mod their controller instead to give them 'auto quadshot' etc. which takes no skill at all... except with a soldering iron.

If you dont think thats unfair then I hope you get to play them. Better to not have button glitches in the first place.

  • 05.16.2007 2:41 AM PDT

This is a RETICULE, and that is a RETICLE. I'm using the latter to aim. And what are you using?

Posted by: TVI Mr Smith

honestly, if everyone can do it, why is it unfair?

If you are talking about superjumps then maybe you didn't know but not everybody can do them. There are lots of people out there with PAL-50 tv's and those people can't superjump because of the same kind of glitch that makes it possible for others. Thats why it's unfair.

In terms of button glitches, I agree with you and if people just used skill I wouldn't really have a problem. But some people can't be bothered to learn them and just mod their controller instead to give them 'auto quadshot' etc. which takes no skill at all... except with a soldering iron.

If you dont think thats unfair then I hope you get to play them. Better to not have button glitches in the first place.

Just what I was about to say.

  • 05.16.2007 2:48 AM PDT
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Not cheated once.

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Posted by: TVI Mr Smith

If you are talking about superjumps then maybe you didn't know but not everybody can do them. There are lots of people out there with PAL-50 tv's and those people can't superjump because of the same kind of glitch that makes it possible for others. Thats why it's unfair..


Not true you can still bounce in PAL-50 just in different places. :)

  • 05.16.2007 4:43 AM PDT

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