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Subject: New wave of cheaters
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cheats are only things that people do that give them an advatage over everyone else. superbouncing and button combos arnt cheats because everyone can use em. standbying or modding is cheatin cause nobody else can do it.

  • 05.18.2007 7:10 AM PDT
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Incorrect. Bungie has specifically stated that Superjumping and button combos (manipuliting the graphics) is cheating. If you do anything that causes the graphics, gameplay, weapons, characters to do an action that isn't part of the normal movement, than you are cheating.

Everyone can look off your neighbor when taking a test. It's still cheating.
Everyone can go over the speed limit in thier car. It's still against the law.
Everyone can hang on the rim in the NBA and stop the ball from going in the basket. It's still cheating.

  • 05.18.2007 7:17 AM PDT
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Bungie bans people for cheating. Bungie does not ban people for superjumping. Therefore, superjumping is not cheating.

  • 05.18.2007 11:00 AM PDT
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Incorrect. You can be banned for superjumping if you have enough negative feedback.

  • 05.18.2007 12:03 PM PDT
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For the people who consider button glitching cheating look below. a bad mo fo you are correct, you can be banned for superjumping b/c it exploits a glitch in the game. Again look here:
Posted by:Jeremiah
The PP/BR combo is absolutely nothing like BXR or any other button combination that exploits a bug by avoiding weapon state animations.

The PP/BR combo DOES NOT AVOID OR INTERRUPT A WEAPON ANIMATION, THE ANIMATION STILL PLAYS WHILE THE WEAPON IS IN YOUR POCKET.

BXR COMPLETELY CANCELS AN ANIMATION RESULTING IN SUBVERTING AN INTENDED DELAY, GIVING THE EXPLOITER AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.

It's unfair because only players who exploit bugs benefit from it. Whether their opponent can do it is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

Are the words making any more sense now that they're large? No? Do you require someone to hold you hand and write you an essay in retort to every little question or conditional argument you want to bring up? Well that's just not going to happen... if you weren't aware, our job isn't to sit here on the forums repeating ourselves over and over to the same exact people who refuse to listen even when we spell it out clearly.

When you use XBL you are bound by their terms of use. If you really want to skew your interpretation of the terms of use to fit your side of the argument, that's your choice. Regardless of that, aside from anything XBL has to say, Bungie controls matchmaking and we say what is or isn't allowed in our sandbox. We've given ample reasoning dozens of times to the same people, who seem to believe that semantics are going to change the truth... they won't.

The truth is, exploiting bugs (button-glitching, for those who want to candy coat it) while you're in the matchmaking environment is cheating. It's not debatable, it's not open to interpretation.

This thread is done, if anyone who participated in this thread decides to create a new thread on this subject, they had better have read everything that Achronos and I have said, because if I have to repeat myself to the same individuals anymore... at that point I will interpret their actions as intentionally malicious and it won't end with a simple thread lock.


And for everyone to read: Why Button-glitching isn't cheating

Notice that it is trying to say it isn't cheating, but both NoF and the Overlord stated it was. There is the evidence we need!!!

  • 05.18.2007 12:23 PM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Kevin's post = breath of fresh air.
Take it from this guy people, he knows what he's talking about.

Second accounts are NOT cheating:
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=13824

Posted by: Oddley765
You know what why don't you stick it where the sun doesn't shine mate!

Not cheating...where do these no brain forum losers come from? If it's not in the game manual then it's a cheat. Simple. If it's an unfair advantage its a cheat...shall I go on?


It is in the game manual. It says to press R to shoot and X to cancel and animation, we just do it really fast. Just because youre a scrub dont hate on people who are obviously better than you. Personally, I dont care what anyone says, im gonna use them if I feel like it. If you choose not to then you can keep your legit 20 from here on out....have a good time. But hell, ya know I dont even need them to tell you the truth, I have a good BR without them.

How is this an unfair advantage? Are you honestly telling me that you physically cannot press RRX, BxR or BxB? Are you so physically and mentally handicapped that you cant push three buttons in a row? If so, then I wonder about the rapid light flashes in the game giving you seizures, you may want to speak with your doctor. These glitches are EASY to preform and readily available for you to use if you have the hand eye coordination of a blind, retarded donkey.

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  • 05.18.2007 1:26 PM PDT
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It's not about an unfair advantage. It's about exploiting animation glitches. Read it and weep. You will get banned. This is just talking about the Beta, but it clearly states at the end that we can report your superjumping and button glitches to Bungie and get you banned.

The Return of the Banhammer

We’re not going to explain how the hammer gets swung or what happens to you when it does swing, instead, as our population on Xbox Live continues to climb we’re offering some quick pro-tips courtesy of Multiplayer Producer (and Duck Hunter) Joseph Tung, on how to avoid the Hammer’s wrath and keep your Kleenex free of salty tears.

Q: Since this is a beta, we’re not going to be pulling out the Banhammer for glitches and exploiting (in fact, that’s what we’re hoping you try and do), but we have fabricated the banhammer for a reason. What could jerks get into online that would result in a visit from Ninjas?

A: There are a number of Bungie employees out there playing the Beta everyday with their fingers on the Banhammer. We aren’t going to ban people for friendly trash talk, corpse-humping or polite requests for more chocolate milk, but racist or otherwise offensive language or behavior will earn you a ban (duration of our choosing) to contemplate repentance. Likewise offensive gamertags will get reported to the Live team for forced name changes. Considering the limited duration of the beta, people may want to try to generally be nicer when they play.

Q: But, but, that was my little brother playing?

A: Sucks to be you (and, presumably, your little brother).

Q: If someone is yelling upstairs telling mother to bring them another Hot Pocket, is there a fix for this annoying bug?

A: We’ve made it a lot easier to mute the whiners and singers (though personally, I have been known to enjoy a good tune). At any time (pre-game, in-game, post-game) you can select a player in the roster and choose to mute the annoying ones immediately.

Q: Joe, you play a lot of Halo 3, regale us with a tale from Jerkdom and tell us what happened to said infractor.

A: Last week one of the kids in our pool of Friends and Family had a racist gamertag. I reasonably suggested that he change it and he reasonably suggested that I blam! off. When I let him know he was heading for a ban the dude was like, “GUESS WAT I WORK FOR XBAWKZ SO ENJOY YOUR BANZ.” Genius.

While you’ll evade the Banhammer for trying to uncover a double melee during the Halo 3 Public Beta, don’t forget it’s dull thud with collapse your brainspace if your Xbox 360 has modded content on it. Additionally, remember to use the Xbox Live feedback to report jerks and their infractions against your fun.

If you do manage to uncover a double melee, get standby'd, jump out of the map, or something else breaks your experience, log in to Bungie.net and report it in the official (and heavily policed) Beta bugs threa here.

  • 05.18.2007 2:06 PM PDT
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I'm sure I could learn to cheat on test also. Why would I want to? To me, cheating isn't fun... jackass. Now enjoy the banhammer. Hee Hee.

  • 05.18.2007 2:24 PM PDT
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Bungie dosent under stand that people who get modded up want thir rank at a fifty.. so if you take thieir rank down every one is going to start modding for two months.. its like bombing for peace..... see where im comeing at?

  • 05.18.2007 9:49 PM PDT
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Hell, id blame cheaters if i was 41 in 115 to........specialy since the update

thats a -blam!-aki lot of games ya got there "mate"

and just cause ya cant do it dont mean its cheatin'

yes, bungie said, super bounces is cheatin

but just cause u push to fire and then reload and try to fire again, doesnt mean your a cheater

.............now.....................go make some friends and play a little less......o dis

  • 05.19.2007 12:03 AM PDT
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I would love to see the day when i can play 10 games of halo with out getting cheated !

  • 05.19.2007 2:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: Oddley765
You know what why don't you stick it where the sun doesn't shine mate!

Not cheating...where do these no brain forum losers come from? If it's not in the game manual then it's a cheat. Simple. If it's an unfair advantage its a cheat...shall I go on?

Go ahead PM a mod or Achronos or call Bungie and see what is cheating. Just because you cannot win legit you defend these crappy cheats.

If you don't want them to be cheating then play customs or visit an MLG event, just don't screw up MM for the rest of us . Best of luck there.

Hell I'll even request/challenge a mod or Acrhonos here and now...

Please get an official link or statement on what is and isn't cheating exactly!

Please don't just point us to the cheaters FAQ page, which is out-of-date and still says your investigating superbounces (please, more like we can't alter the code so you're stuck with it).

It is high time an official cheating sticky was introduced into the Halo 2 forums.

A sticky thread that compiles a detailed and descriptive list of known cheats, while providing an official reference on what Bungie consider cheating and not. Really why wasn't this done throughout the years of Halo 2?

Bungie forget playing nice with MLG please, just inform us exactly what you consider cheating in MM.

Here's a quick list to get you started -

1. bridging for host
2. standby for host
2. on purpose firewall latency
3. on purpose lagging people out
4. superbouncing
5. button combos
6. out of map

Hey I'd even be grateful if you just commented on that list alone. The 95th percentile covered there I think.


its people like you that make the halo community suck. "oooooo i cant hit bxr fast enough and i cant double shot, i hate all of the MLG players cause they think that theyre better", u kno what, we ARE better.

LIVE life to THE FULLEST

TBaLL

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  • 05.19.2007 7:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: KEVINBROCK
Posted by: Oddley765
You know what why don't you stick it where the sun doesn't shine mate!

Not cheating...where do these no brain forum losers come from? If it's not in the game manual then it's a cheat. Simple. If it's an unfair advantage its a cheat...shall I go on?


It is in the game manual. It says to press R to shoot and X to cancel and animation, we just do it really fast. Just because youre a scrub dont hate on people who are obviously better than you. Personally, I dont care what anyone says, im gonna use them if I feel like it. If you choose not to then you can keep your legit 20 from here on out....have a good time. But hell, ya know I dont even need them to tell you the truth, I have a good BR without them.

How is this an unfair advantage? Are you honestly telling me that you physically cannot press RRX, BxR or BxB? Are you so physically and mentally handicapped that you cant push three buttons in a row? If so, then I wonder about the rapid light flashes in the game giving you seizures, you may want to speak with your doctor. These glitches are EASY to preform and readily available for you to use if you have the hand eye coordination of a blind, retarded donkey.


Thank you Kevin.

LIVE life to THE FULLEST

TBaLL

  • 05.19.2007 7:34 AM PDT

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