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Ever since the stats restarted every other game has quitters.

I play by myself predominately when playing this game because I am an ADULT who does not spend hours upon hours playing - but rather get on when I can.

How is this game fun for any of us when 30 seconds into it someone quits when things aren't going their way?

Furthermore - why hasn't BUNGIE yet PENALIZED this action? Yeah yeah yeah - it's too hard, or too expensive or bla bla bla - you guys need to do what is necessary to make the game enjoyable. Period.

Ever since the stats reset it has been worse than ever. I had 8 games in a row the other night where people quit within the first 30 seconds!!!

This is ridiculous - and you all know I'm not talkign about quitting for a legitimate reason.





And just to let me expound here - it kind of makes me sad that the young people in this world have to zero sense of honor, sportsmanship. It really makes me worry about the direction of our planet when these young guys (and older too) don't have the tenacity to stick things out when they get rough.

It's like a bunch of pansies in armor running around screaming about how they want a sniper and crying when things don't go perfectly.

I know it's just a game, but it really lends insight into how people react to situations.

I guess it's fair to say if people act on Halo 2 in times of duress the same as they do in real life - then we're all going to die in pointless wars.

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  • 05.16.2007 10:35 PM PDT
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It's a game.
Calm down sir.

  • 05.16.2007 10:52 PM PDT

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Venting is a healthy exercise. I approve of your venting.

You are of course...right. My only solution to you is, play customs, or go in with other people.
However. I will often quit if I must go and do something, like go out etc. Not all quiters do so because they are going to die in a pointless war.

  • 05.16.2007 10:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gnome S1
It's a game.
Calm down sir.

No, it's not a game anymore. A game denotes an enjoyable activity.

Thanks for your (worthless) input though.

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To answer the original question, when I quit I do it because I'm not having fun. By that I don't mean losing/not getting the gun I want/etc... What I mean is if a game I don't like comes up I leave. I will not play rockets, for example. I quit rockets because I don't find it fun, since I play halo for fun why would waste 10 minutes of my life playing something I know I won't like. For the record, there are very few games I hate so much that I quit at the start.

It should be noted that since we pay for it, we have the right to quit if we want to. The real trouble comes when people abuse quitting.

  • 05.16.2007 11:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: el rey
To answer the original question, when I quit I do it because I'm not having fun. By that I don't mean losing/not getting the gun I want/etc... What I mean is if a game I don't like comes up I leave. I will not play rockets, for example. I quit rockets because I don't find it fun, since I play halo for fun why would waste 10 minutes of my life playing something I know I won't like. For the record, there are very few games I hate so much that I quit at the start.

It should be noted that since we pay for it, we have the right to quit if we want to. The real trouble comes when people abuse quitting.
No, that is complete BS.

It's selfish, stupid and you should be penalized every time you do so.

Part of playing this game is havign scenarios that are NOT in your favor, and doing the best you can with what you got.

Furthermore - what's important in TEAM games is your TEAM.

If you go into every TEAM game worrying about what's best for YOU then you're better off sticking to RUMBLE PIT where quitting affects only YOU.

Grow up.

  • 05.16.2007 11:29 PM PDT
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1) You need to calm down. Stop talking down to everyone who has a different opinion than you. You said in the initial post that you are an adult, why not act like it. Show some respect

Back on topic:
A scenario that isn't in you favor is something like the other team spawn killing or having all the power weapons, not getting a bad gametype. I, like you, only get on halo when I can. When I do the idea is to have fun. If I judge a game to not be fun I'm leaving. Staying would defeat my reason for playing. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't think you should quit if you are losing. I don't like it when people do. What I mean by judging a game to be not fun is looking at the initial settings and being able to tell I'm not gonna like it. (team rockets)

Yeah, it might be a little selfish, but I don't have time to sit around and play for 3 hours. I need to maximize my time. Again, this is a product I pay for. If my actions are not against the terms of usage I can do what I want with this product after I buy it. Also, a general rule I (and most people) play by is that real life is more important than halo. If I need to get the door or something I'm leaving the game. Its not that important.

Oh, and the part about growing up, you don't know me. You don't know how old I am, how mature I am. Could you pick me out of a police lineup of 10 people, or even of 2 people?



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  • 05.17.2007 12:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: el rey
1) You need to calm down. Stop talking down to everyone who has a different opinion than you. You said in the initial post that you are an adult, why not act like it. Show some respect

Back on topic:
A scenario that isn't in you favor is something like the other team spawn killing or having all the power weapons, not getting a bad gametype. I, like you, only get on halo when I can. When I do the idea is to have fun. If I judge a game to not be fun I'm leaving. Staying would defeat my reason for playing. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't think you should quit if you are losing. I don't like it when people do. What I mean by judging a game to be not fun is looking at the initial settings and being able to tell I'm not gonna like it. (team rockets)

Yeah, it might be a little selfish, but I don't have time to sit around and play for 3 hours. I need to maximize my time. Again, this is a product I pay for. If my actions are not against the terms of usage I can do what I want with this product after I buy it. Also, a general rule I (and most people) play by is that real life is more important than halo. If I need to get the door or something I'm leaving the game. Its not that important.

Oh, and the part about growing up, you don't know me. You don't know how old I am, how mature I am. Could you pick me out of a police lineup of 10 people, or even of 2 people?



Who said I wasn't calm?

And I suppose it bears repeating: "...and you all know I'm not talkign about quitting for a legitimate reason."

For more clarification - please refer to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension

Yes, you need to grow up.

Let me reiterate: Team games mean you are playing with a TEAM. Just because you don't like a gametype does NOT make it OK to quit. If you want to worry about what's best for you there's a lot of games made for little children who haven't yet learned that games sometimes aren't easy. Then again, there is rumble pit - whereas quitting affects YOU and not your TEAM.

Your argument is weak and you need tougher skin.

Again: For more clarification - please refer to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension

Oh, and I am not talking down to anyone. Idiotic posts get replies accordingly, including yours.

Quitter.

  • 05.17.2007 12:42 AM PDT
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Why would I say you're not calm? The first 2 or 3 lines of each of your posts are personal attacks of everyone else here, who you are villianizing as whining little children who sit around all day and quit as soon as they get killed every game. For example, I disagree with you on some points. All of a sudden I can't read and am a prepubescent crying baby. For an adult, you still have a lot of growing up to do. It would be greatly appreciated if you could show some maturity and stop. You are an 'adult' after all.

I understand the concept of a team, I know that if team games you theoretically are supposed to support your teammates. Does quitting make it harder on your team most of the time? maybe. Consider that when most people quit a team game the team is getting torn to shreds or they are doing poorly. If the team is getting kicked its unlikely that anyone on that team is having a great deal of fun. If that is the case then a person can leave because the game is basically decided already (I mean this for only the most extreme thrashings). If the person quits because he is doing poorly that helps the team by eliminating the weak link. Most of the time his teammates will at least think "dude, quit so we can win" and in some cases verbalize it.
Again, I'm advocating quitting in the above circumstances as well as my previously stated 'not gonna be fun' games. In almost all other cases I don't think that people should quit.


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  • 05.17.2007 12:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: el rey
1) You need to calm down. Stop talking down to everyone who has a different opinion than you. You said in the initial post that you are an adult, why not act like it. Show some respect


2) ???

  • 05.17.2007 1:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: el rey
Why would I say you're not calm? The first 2 or 3 lines of each of your posts are personal attacks of everyone else here, who you are villianizing as whining little children who sit around all day and quit as soon as they get killed every game. For example, I disagree with you on some points. All of a sudden I can't read and am a prepubescent crying baby. For an adult, you still have a lot of growing up to do. It would be greatly appreciated if you could show some maturity and stop. You are an 'adult' after all.

I understand the concept of a team, I know that if team games you theoretically are supposed to support your teammates. Does quitting make it harder on your team most of the time? maybe. Consider that when most people quit a team game the team is getting torn to shreds or they are doing poorly. If the team is getting kicked its unlikely that anyone on that team is having a great deal of fun. If that is the case then a person can leave because the game is basically decided already (I mean this for only the most extreme thrashings). If the person quits because he is doing poorly that helps the team by eliminating the weak link. Most of the time his teammates will at least think "dude, quit so we can win" and in some cases verbalize it.
Again, I'm advocating quitting in the above circumstances as well as my previously stated 'not gonna be fun' games. In almost all other cases I don't think that people should quit.
You sound like a broken record.

"Oh you hurt my feelings"

"Oh it's ok to quit as long as it benefits me, even when entering games that require TEAMWORK"

God not only are you a quitter you are a friggin moron to boot.

Just quit posting, playing and breathing. I hate to think about what you do when life gets hard. Do you curl up in a fetal position and suck your thumb?

There is no Mommy in Halo 2 so maybe you should go rent the harmless games for the xbox so EVERY game is exactly how you want it.

In fact, GTFO of this thread, it's for grownups only who recognize the game is for playing, not quitting there kiddo.

  • 05.17.2007 1:02 AM PDT
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1) If you even read what I wrote, I said there where a few scenarios where its ok to quit. Its not ok to quit any other scenario
2) I'm not a quitter (unless its a rockets game). I'm just presenting the other side of the story. I believe in almost every post I made I said I generally don't approve of quitting.
3) If you are the grown up you say you are is this how you act in real life? No, you are just here to boost your ego and fight deep rooted confidence problems by hiding behind the anonymity of the internet while making fun of people you don't even know.

I will continue to discuss the issue, but only if you prove you are capable of acting like the 'grown up' you claim you are. Or are you even interested in talking about it? I think its a problem that needs to be fixed, but you have to walk the line between the right of the player vs the good of the team. Since this is only a game, if you get too many quitters leave and go back into matchmaking.

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Posted by: el rey
Blablablabla

...but you have to walk the line between the right of the player vs the good of the team.
And that right there is the fallacy of your argument.

When entering a TEAM game, you lose all claim to your individual needs.

The only reason you should be quitting in TEAM games where people RELY on you to PLAY are again, legitimate reasons like emergencies or your teammates being obnoxious/racial etc.

As for the rest of your post - get some tissues or something.

  • 05.17.2007 1:17 AM PDT
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I know that when you enter a team game you are obligated to work as a team. That would mean not only staying in the game, but also communicating, watching out for each other, working together, etc.... In my experience most times people who join team games don't listen, communicate, or anything like that. Sure they might stick together for most of the game, but usually its just four individuals who are looking to be just that, individual. If you get a team that communicates, listens and works together you shouldn't quit because the teams shows a clear intrest in teamwork. Never quit a game like this, losing a man could be devestating. On the flip side I don't have a problem quitting a game where your teammates are all lone rangers and you are losing by more than a lttle and there is no communication or strategy. In that scenario its more like a team ffa than a team slayer. If I'm going to honor my obligation contribute to the team, I'm going to expect the team to do the same for me. If the team doesn't want to work as a team its not really even a team game.

  • 05.17.2007 1:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: el rey
I know that when you enter a team game you are obligated to work as a team. That would mean not only staying in the game, but also communicating, watching out for each other, working together, etc.... In my experience most times people who join team games don't listen, communicate, or anything like that. Sure they might stick together for most of the game, but usually its just four individuals who are looking to be just that, individual. If you get a team that communicates, listens and works together you shouldn't quit because the teams shows a clear intrest in teamwork. Never quit a game like this, losing a man could be devestating. On the flip side I don't have a problem quitting a game where your teammates are all lone rangers and you are losing by more than a lttle and there is no communication or strategy. In that scenario its more like a team ffa than a team slayer. If I'm going to honor my obligation contribute to the team, I'm going to expect the team to do the same for me. If the team doesn't want to work as a team its not really even a team game.
Try using your "enter" button.

Your argument now screams another immature thought process "if they won't play nice then I'm not trying"

Take a long look in the mirror kiddo - your outlook on life is flawed.




As a MAN, as an ADULT, as someone who chooses to enter TEAM games - it is your obligation to try your hardest to win a game no matter what the discomofrt is. I'd rather spend 10 minutes in a bad game doing the best I can than leaving my teammates to get stomped on a 4 vs. 3 game.

But I guess that's the difference between an adult and a child; I step up and do what's right and you back down to do what's easy.

Get out of this thread, you don't deserve to argue any further.

  • 05.17.2007 1:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: ap0klyptk
As a MAN, as an ADULT, as someone who chooses to enter TEAM games - it is your obligation to try your hardest to win a game no matter what the discomofrt is. I'd rather spend 10 minutes in a bad game doing the best I can than leaving my teammates to get stomped on a 4 vs. 3 game.

But I guess that's the difference between an adult and a child; I step up and do what's right and you back down to do what's easy.

Get out of this thread, you don't deserve to argue any further.

Hostile much?

Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't beleive most people who say they are a man/adult on these forums.

People are jerks, this arguement is flawed because of this fact. People are always going to quit. Another arguement like this won't solve much.

People will quit, that sucks. Deal with it like a real man.

  • 05.17.2007 1:51 AM PDT
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Because they can /thread..

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Oh I know I shouldnt but I can resist a good fight.

ap0klyptk, You need to calm down its just a game. relax. Now I get really annoyed because of people quitting to and I think they quit because of these reasons.

-Theres a -blam!- on thier team
-There really good players and now that the stats have been reset they are stuck with anoying little kids
-Thier Xbox crashes or freezes
-They have to go somewhere
-and the big one LAG

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i noticed the same problem...i guess a lot of the old levels 30s are enjoying beating up the unexperienced and wanna keep their levels down. It is usually the ones with the most kills in my xperience

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Posted by: JesuszillaCorp
i noticed the same problem...i guess a lot of the old levels 30s are enjoying beating up the unexperienced and wanna keep their levels down. It is usually the ones with the most kills in my xperience


I think that is the reason there seems to be more quitting. Even when the better people arn't trying to keep low levels they usually blow out the less experienced players. It should get better as people continue to get higher ranks.


And to the OP, the best way to avoid quitters is to go in with a party and play ranked games. People usually don't quit ranked games unless they have a good reason. In some cases being a man down is an advantage.

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I agree you are right i see no reason why this guy has to come and argue with you over your own thread. If he really wanted to start an argument he should have taken it online on halo2 because from what i have just read there seems to be a little bit of anger management and he will not give up.

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Posted by: Gnome S1
It's a game.
Calm down sir.

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Posted by: Gnome S1
It's a game.
Calm down sir.


seriously, you speak of maturity and growing up but yet this whole thread seems like something only a child would whine about.

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Posted by: MATTtheMAN
Posted by: Gnome S1
It's a game.
Calm down sir.


seriously, you speak of maturity and growing up but yet this whole thread seems like something only a child would whine about.
Oh yeah now that is original. I wonder if it took you a few hours to think up how to insult me by playing with concepts.

Mighty delicate stuff there, you sure it's not too much?

It looks like I pissed off all the quitters out there. I am about to feel the wrath of the quitters - which is an ironic statement all in itself.

I stand by my point: quitting in TEAM games is LAME.

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Posted by: ap0klyptk
As a MAN, as an ADULT, as someone who chooses to enter TEAM games - it is your obligation to try your hardest to win a game no matter what the discomofrt is. I'd rather spend 10 minutes in a bad game doing the best I can than leaving my teammates to get stomped on a 4 vs. 3 game.

But I guess that's the difference between an adult and a child; I step up and do what's right and you back down to do what's easy.

Get out of this thread, you don't deserve to argue any further.

Hostile much?

Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't beleive most people who say they are a man/adult on these forums.

People are jerks, this arguement is flawed because of this fact. People are always going to quit. Another arguement like this won't solve much.

People will quit, that sucks. Deal with it like a real man.
Who said I was hostile?

Just callin it like I see it. When someone decides to come in here and 'give the other side of the argument" and then turns around and proves my point for me, I couldn't be happier.

Inasfar as what you believe, please understand I could give 2 -blam!-s about it.

There is no argument here - I stated what irritates me about Halo 2 since the stats reset - it's up to others to come in here and argue logic with me. It just so happens your buddy here proved my point for me.

The mere fact that my point was given legitimacy by the very person who disagreed with me makes this the definition of an unflawed argument.

Try again.

  • 05.17.2007 11:16 AM PDT

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