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Subject: A thread for the people who complain about weapons.
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Hi.
Lately I have been visiting some threads, and noticing that people will randomly rant about weapons, and how much they think they suck. So I decided to do a little counter-rant of my own.

Firstly, I would like you, the "i like to complain about weapons" person for visiting my thread.
Now for the meat:

I dont understand why someone has to take time out of their day to make a thread about why weapons suck. Think about this...
Okay, so you think the weapon sucks. Either you are bad with it, and you get killed all the time while you have that weapon out, or for some reason, you have a burning hatred for it.

The shotgun for example. I just read a thread with some kid (im assuming thats what he was, since he sounded immature) was ripping about how much it sucks. Okay? Then why dont you use a different weapon then? Why dont you figure out a way to stop that guy WITH the shotgun before he kills you. Sticky maybe? even the noob-combo would work.

Thats just one example. Dont come on these forums and post about it. It makes you look STUPID. Everyone has a least favorite weapon, you dont have to make stupid threads about it. Each wepon is effective in its own way.

And dont make stupid threads like that just for attension... thats what half of them seem to be...

You have my opinion...

~sangheiliops~

  • 05.21.2007 7:16 AM PDT

What was that about making stupid threads for attention?

And your emblem sucks.

  • 05.21.2007 7:17 AM PDT
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This wasnt for attension. I dont care about weather people resond to it or not. I just needed to get my opinion out about that sort of thing.

And why does my Emblem suck? (btw... that circle lookin thing isnt there on my Xbox... it only appears on bungie.net for some reason...)

[Edited on 05.21.2007 7:20 AM PDT]

  • 05.21.2007 7:19 AM PDT

It was a joke, seeing as it's basically the same one as mine.

BTW, the circle is there because you have it as a background, but it is set to white. Set the background to blank and you'll get rid of it. And then get the hell off my emblem!

Seriously though, your thread serves no purpose. If people think a weapon is not quite what it should be, this forum is the place to talk about it. If you don't like that, you are the one who shouldn't be here - not them. That's all there is to it. If people have criticism or praise, this is where it should be aired. Where do you get off telling people what they can and can't say on the forum dedicated to the very purpose you're complaining about?

  • 05.21.2007 7:24 AM PDT
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I never said they had no right to be on these forums. I only said that it is Unnecisary(i suck at spelling) to post about such things. They post about weaknesses in wepons that we are all aware of, and then bask in the attension they get from the posters.

I think if they are entittled to an opinion about how much the shotgun sucks, then I am entittled to mine about how they need to STFU and deal with it.

Halo 3 is on the horizon (and the beta is like.... already here)

They can wait to play that before they complain.

And about the Emblem...

I've noticed you a lot in these forums over the past few weeks/months.
I remember thinking "His emblem is almost exactly like mine"
But I must tell you this...

even though you have had Live longer, im sure... since ive only had it since February...
I have had this emblem since I got Halo 2 the day of its release. I make no intensions of changing it... (except for that annoying circle I never noticed before)

  • 05.21.2007 7:34 AM PDT

I was kidding about the emblem.

Posted by: SangheiliOPS
I never said they had no right to be on these forums. I only said that it is Unnecisary(i suck at spelling) to post about such things. They post about weaknesses in wepons that we are all aware of, and then bask in the attension they get from the posters.

There is plenty posted every day which "WE" (whoever that is - obviously it doesn't include the poster) are aware of. Forum content is not approved or discarded based on you. Get over yourself. Hell, there's been a crapload of posts complaining about complainers before too. Does that mean it was unnecessary to post this too?

I think if they are entittled to an opinion about how much the shotgun sucks, then I am entittled to mine about how they need to STFU and deal with it.

Why? The first is a halo 2 topic, the second isn't. Simple.

One more time - if you don't want to hear criticism, you're the one in the wrong place, not them.

[Edited on 05.21.2007 8:37 AM PDT]

  • 05.21.2007 8:36 AM PDT
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Seriously though, your thread serves no purpose. If people think a weapon is not quite what it should be, this forum is the place to talk about it. If you don't like that, you are the one who shouldn't be here - not them. That's all there is to it. If people have criticism or praise, this is where it should be aired. Where do you get off telling people what they can and can't say on the forum dedicated to the very purpose you're complaining about?


Essentially, that's true. But you also have to realize that this thread has perfectly legitimate grounds. This forum still allows both sides of an argument. So if someone thinks that a weapon sucks, they can post it. And if someone disagrees and says that no weapon sucks, they can post that too.
I never really saw this guy saying that they can't say that weapons suck. He seemed to be saying that he doesn't understand why people complain about weapons. And I agree with him, but not for the same reasons.

Posted by: RhythmKiller
One more time - if you don't want to hear criticism, you're the one in the wrong place, not them.

Well that doesn't make sense. This whole time, you've been telling him how useless his thread is for criticizing what people post about. And now, you tell him that he shouldn't be on these forums if he can't take criticism. That's a little contradictory.
Couldn't that statement be flipped around to justify this thread's existence?
"if they don't want to hear criticism, they're the ones in the wrong place, not you."

Posted by: SangheiliOPS
I never said they had no right to be on these forums. I only said that it is Unnecisary(i suck at spelling) to post about such things. They post about weaknesses in wepons that we are all aware of, and then bask in the attension they get from the posters.

While I agree that no weapon really sucks, this is where it cuts off. If you say that all other complaints are unnecessary, then that means that your complaint is unnecessary too. And I think that's what RK was getting at.
Also, I honestly don't think that the people who complain do so for attention. I think that they just honestly dislike certain weapons. In most cases, it's because they frequently die to it and/or because they don't think it's a "noble" weapon, and/or because they can't use it well and "everyone else" can. Which means that for them, the weapon sucks. But in terms of the game, it's still very good.

  • 05.21.2007 11:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
One more time - if you don't want to hear criticism, you're the one in the wrong place, not them.

Well that doesn't make sense. This whole time, you've been telling him how useless his thread is for criticizing what people post about. And now, you tell him that he shouldn't be on these forums if he can't take criticism. That's a little contradictory.

Not really - you're missing out the whole 'pertaining to halo 2' crux of the entire matter.

Which means that for them, the weapon sucks. But in terms of the game, it's still very good.
....or...... maybe it isn't. Which means that maybe only for you, it's still very good. See?

  • 05.21.2007 11:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Posted by: CAVX
Posted by: RhythmKiller
One more time - if you don't want to hear criticism, you're the one in the wrong place, not them.

Well that doesn't make sense. This whole time, you've been telling him how useless his thread is for criticizing what people post about. And now, you tell him that he shouldn't be on these forums if he can't take criticism. That's a little contradictory.

Not really - you're missing out the whole 'pertaining to halo 2' crux of the entire matter.

Which means that for them, the weapon sucks. But in terms of the game, it's still very good.
....or...... maybe it isn't. Which means that maybe only for you, it's still very good. See?


This thread is about Halo 2. It's a reply (or, as the OP called it, a "counter-rant") to people complaining about weapons. That pertains to Halo 2.

I never said that a weapon is or is not good for me. But even if it was, that would mean that the weapon isn't bad or useless. Looking at the game from a general view of all the gamers tends to prove that every weapon is at times useful and at other times a nuisance to most players, which, in my opinion, makes every weapon "good."
If we're arguing "good" in terms of power, then yes, some weapons aren't "good." But they are still capable, and they keep the balance. If every weapon was good, then no one would need to fight over power weapons, and so much game strategy would be taken away (as well as variety). Any weapon can win over any other weapon. Some are less powerful, some takes less "skill," and some are a little overpowered. But that's what creates the balance. It's what makes players want the more powerful weapons the most. And it's why players switch weapons in the first place.
So it's not even close to a matter of personal opinion in the long run. But yes, you can still say that a weapon sucks. I can't stop you.

  • 05.21.2007 12:28 PM PDT

Posted by: CAVX
Posted by: RhythmKiller
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Posted by: RhythmKiller
One more time - if you don't want to hear criticism, you're the one in the wrong place, not them.

Well that doesn't make sense. This whole time, you've been telling him how useless his thread is for criticizing what people post about. And now, you tell him that he shouldn't be on these forums if he can't take criticism. That's a little contradictory.

Not really - you're missing out the whole 'pertaining to halo 2' crux of the entire matter.

Which means that for them, the weapon sucks. But in terms of the game, it's still very good.
....or...... maybe it isn't. Which means that maybe only for you, it's still very good. See?


This thread is about Halo 2. It's a reply (or, as the OP called it, a "counter-rant") to people complaining about weapons. That pertains to Halo 2.

I never said that a weapon is or is not good for me. But even if it was, that would mean that the weapon isn't bad or useless. Looking at the game from a general view of all the gamers tends to prove that every weapon is at times useful and at other times a nuisance to most players, which, in my opinion, makes every weapon "good."
If we're arguing "good" in terms of power, then yes, some weapons aren't "good." But they are still capable, and they keep the balance. If every weapon was good, then no one would need to fight over power weapons, and so much game strategy would be taken away (as well as variety). Any weapon can win over any other weapon. Some are less powerful, some takes less "skill," and some are a little overpowered. But that's what creates the balance. It's what makes players want the more powerful weapons the most. And it's why players switch weapons in the first place.
So it's not even close to a matter of personal opinion in the long run. But yes, you can still say that a weapon sucks. I can't stop you.

It IS a matter of personal opinion. You believe the system you outlined to be the best way for it to work. I may not. Don't try and tell me you are more right than I am.

But anyway that isn't important, valid complaints about a weapon aren't based on the assumption they should all be totally equal. Here's an example.

I think the SMG sucks. Not because it is supposed be less powerful than the BR. But rather, because not a single bullet lands in the centre of the reticle. It's an inbuilt handicap to shooting accuracy which I find to be an awful thing for gameplay, maybe it would be better off firing normally. People should be rewarded for accurate shooting, not punished. So the weapon spreads; ok. But to actually fire consistently away from the centre of the reticle? I don't like that.

And if I don't like it, I'll say so, right here in the exact place such criticism is meant to be raised. And no amount of offended fans is going to stop me.

[Edited on 05.22.2007 3:24 AM PDT]

  • 05.22.2007 3:24 AM PDT

the part about kids making posts for attension is exactly right my friend.

  • 05.22.2007 8:27 AM PDT

Teamwork means staying out of my way.

The weapons in Halo 2 do suck. That's why Halo 2 sucks compared to most other FPS.

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halo 2 does not suck at the end of the day it doesnt matter wot gun u got as long as it kill the other person there hows that

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Posted by: Xander756
The weapons in Halo 2 do suck.

Acccually do you have any reason's why Halo 2 "Suck's" as you claim, and doe's it take skill to use a sucky weapon?
- Sound's like alot of skill to me.
That's why Halo 2 sucks compared to most other FPS.

Halo 2 is different from other FPS, they are WAY different


[Edited on 05.22.2007 11:15 AM PDT]

  • 05.22.2007 11:14 AM PDT

Teamwork means staying out of my way.

Yes they are way different. And Halo 2 is worse.

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Posted by: Xander756
Yes they are way different. And Halo 2 is worse.


Please back up you answer why is was "worse"? If not then you have no evidence or proven me why it was worse game. Halo 2 vs Swat game's. They are both FPS, but Halo 2 take's place in the future, and Swat game's took place in the present so far. Why don't we see smoke gernades in Halo 2? Why don't we see Plasma Rifle's from Halo2, in Swat game's? They are both FPS, but different because of there weapon's and time-line. A game doe's not need to be the same as the other game's then it wouldn't be a game then if it was the same as other FPS or something new.


Xander756, stop being a hypocrite, because I just looked at your game tag, and you still play Halo 2, nice lieing moron.

[Edited on 05.22.2007 1:07 PM PDT]

  • 05.22.2007 12:56 PM PDT
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Arrrg.

I hate weapons altogether.

They should be removed from all playlist and melee only should be used.

  • 05.22.2007 1:08 PM PDT

Teamwork means staying out of my way.

1) Halo 2 is the worst because it has an automatic sniper rifle.
2) Halo 2 is the worst because shields are ridiculous. Light a guy up and if you don't finish him off you might as well have not fired at all - other games they are hurt.
3) The maps in Halo 2 are small and simple. Foundation? Warlock? C'mon these got nothing on de_dust or cs_militia
4) Weapons give players unfair advantage. In real FPS there is always a counter weapon you can get or buy. Here you are just stuck with crappiness if they get all the good ones.
5) Tons of quitters and betrayers in Halo 2.Rarely seem to run into these problems on other games. In most FPS people can join in midgame so quitting isn't a big deal.
6) Your teammates suck = you suck. Other FPS it won't matter because they are more based on skill.
7) The sword/noob combo. C'mon.
8) Button glitches. Why is glitching encouraged in Halo 2 and frowned upon in every other game known to man?

Would you like me to continue with reasons? I got a million of them.


"Xander756, stop being a hypocrite, because I just looked at your game tag, and you still play Halo 2, nice lieing moron."

When did I ever say that I quit playing? Guess I wasn't "lieing" after all.

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Posted by: Xander756
1) Halo 2 is the worst because it has an automatic sniper rifle.
2) Halo 2 is the worst because shields are ridiculous. Light a guy up and if you don't finish him off you might as well have not fired at all - other games they are hurt.
3) The maps in Halo 2 are small and simple. Foundation? Warlock? C'mon these got nothing on de_dust or cs_militia
4) Weapons give players unfair advantage. In real FPS there is always a counter weapon you can get or buy. Here you are just stuck with crappiness if they get all the good ones.
5) Tons of quitters and betrayers in Halo 2.Rarely seem to run into these problems on other games. In most FPS people can join in midgame so quitting isn't a big deal.
6) Your teammates suck = you suck. Other FPS it won't matter because they are more based on skill.
7) The sword/noob combo. C'mon.
8) Button glitches. Why is glitching encouraged in Halo 2 and frowned upon in every other game known to man?

Would you like me to continue with reasons? I got a million of them.


"Xander756, stop being a hypocrite, because I just looked at your game tag, and you still play Halo 2, nice lieing moron."

When did I ever say that I quit playing? Guess I wasn't "lieing" after all.



Why would you give 8 reasons the game sucks, then still play it?

  • 05.22.2007 1:21 PM PDT

Teamwork means staying out of my way.

Hey, it's a living.

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So your pro?

That's nifty.

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Xander, glitches actually ARE frowned upon.

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smg sucks....but as far as the comments above, blah blah blah...

  • 05.22.2007 5:29 PM PDT

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There are a lot of inconsistencies with the story and weapons, like how in the year 2550 shotguns go 2 feet when today they go like 1000000x farther, how u can snipe somebody while jumping backwards from across the map, how the sword lunges wehn you jump straight up, how a punch hurts more than pointblank smg fire, how headshots matter when there's a frickan energy shield there, how plasma doesn't burn through you, how a giant blob of superheated plasma shot at you only lowers shields, nothing else, how getting smacked in the back kills you, how the pistol from halo 1 went down to the crappy magnum status in one day in the game (the time on halo was only 1 earth day), how there is no auto setting for the br, how the br is pretty much a burst shot pistol, etc. Yes, the weapons suck. Yes, you are stupid for thinking that they are completely balanced. Yes covies can be sniped in the back of the head.

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  • 05.22.2007 5:37 PM PDT

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