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Posted by: Romanticide
That wasn't the point he was making.


And what point are you making by creating this thread?

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Posted by: ProgramLog v3
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wow, just wow. Now we're complaining because the GUI (user interface) is too user friendly? and because it sais A button, B button ect.
honestly, theres alot more wrong with this world then this. this thread fails, the guy that started this fails, and those who support it ultimatly fail.
If you want to downgrade to another system because your offended by a service that is new and has alot of potential....i'm lost for words....


I didn't complain about the interface but, I can quite easily counter that and say you probably got your first tastes of gaming from a console, and don't really understand my points that probably most of the long time PC gaming community would agree with.

My first real taste of gaming was Doom when I was only 4 (don't worry, it did me no harm), and have been a PC gamer ever since. I know what I like, and what the PC gaming community likes. :)


escuse me? my first gaming expierence was around 1996-1998 on an Pentuim 1.66. My first game, if memory serves me right, was an old DOS gaming called 'Sopwith'. Soon after, another flying game named 'Flying Corps', then 'Hardwar' ect. this lead me to Canada and a game called 'Halo' in 2004. my first 'taste' in console gaming was in 2005 at a friend's house, which I greatly disliked. Clearly my first gaming expierence was not on an console. Does this still count me as a long time standing PC gamer? I understand your points, but for some i do not agree. The biggest portion of the market is brainless console gamers which will buy a game if it has pretty explosions. of course Microsoft is mostly aiming at that portion of the market to leach them off. We call it Captilism. If PC games are 'touched' by a console's features at some points, it's not the end of PC gaming.


Fair enough, but it's not a history in online PC gaming.

Sure, if a feature or two touches PC gaming it's fine. But that's my problem. It's not a feature or two, it's more like the whole lot.

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Posted by: Romanticide
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You
Posted by: CommanderZx2
Posted by: PanchoBelt
*cough*cross-platform gameplay*cough*

Wrong... crossplatform gaming has existed before LIVE even existed. Sigh these noobs now a days.

PC players could play against Dreamcast players in Quake III Arena and there was no subscription for that.


-blam!- you, atm, what besides LIVE supports crossplatform gaming? sigh noobs these days...

I just told you dip-blam!-, Quake III arena.


Dreamcast's online community is non-existance today. If you want to play quake 3, go ahead.


That wasn't the point he was making.


It doesn't matter, if you want to play todays games crossplatform, just pay the $50 fee, are you -blam!- poor or something?

  • 05.21.2007 6:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: Romanticide
That wasn't the point he was making.


And what point are you making by creating this thread?


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I've gone through this probably 4 times now in this topic. Read my other posts please.

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Posted by: PanchoBelt
just pay the $50 fee, are you -blam!- poor or something?


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Posted by: PanchoBelt
just pay the $50 fee, are you -blam!- poor or something?


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XD

That's exactly what I was thinking.

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You know what? Go complain about live to people who care.

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Posted by: Romanticide
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I've gone through this probably 4 times now in this topic. Read my other posts please.


Oh please. The UI is fine. Most people do not mind it at all. A lot acctually like it. If you are in the minority, I am sorry to hear that. As for cross-platform multiplayer on LIVE: it has potential, but little more at the moment. Needless to say it will grow into something quite larger very soon.

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Posted by: Anton P Nym
who says you have to be an ace to have fun?

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Stupid parents let their stupid children play games that are rated M when they should be playing Big Birds Spelling Adventures

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Also the AR is actually good in CQB now and no longer a glorified baseball bat.

Posted by: PanchoBelt
It's called LIVE Anywhere, not games for windows LIVE CommanderZx2.


Actually, the official title is Games for Windows Live. Live Anywhere is the whole scheme of things across Xbox/360, Windows, and Windows Mobile.

Also, you don't have to pay to play. Also, you don't lose your tag if you don't renew. That's only on the original Xbox. On the 360 and GFWL, your account just reverts to a silver/free account.

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Very nicely put(towards nick) forgot to quote lol.

[Edited on 05.21.2007 6:56 PM PDT]

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Right so I should post it on a forum about the first game to utilise it really!

Oh wait...

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Posted by: Anton P Nym
who says you have to be an ace to have fun?

Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Stupid parents let their stupid children play games that are rated M when they should be playing Big Birds Spelling Adventures

Posted by: Kira Onime
Also the AR is actually good in CQB now and no longer a glorified baseball bat.

Oh, also, Splinter Cell Conviction will also have cross platform play, and it's being made by Ubi Montreal, so it should look REALLY good.

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Posted by: Aj6627
Oh, also, Splinter Cell Conviction will also have cross platform play, and it's being made by Ubi Montreal, so it should look REALLY good.


I FREAKING HOPE SO. I love Chaos Theory. I hope the multiplayer goes back to what it was, and not the nub fest that was Double Agent.]

Anyway, i'm off to bed. I'll post again tomorrow.

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Posted by: Romanticide
Right so I should post it on a forum about the first game to utilise it really!

Oh wait...


Post here http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation they might agree...

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Posted by: PanchoBelt
You know what? Go complain about live to people who care.

That's the spirit! Give into corporate greed! Forget the good days when online play was free! Let's all go out and get WoW!

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Posted by: PanchoBelt
You know what? Go complain about live to people who care.

That's the spirit! Give into corporate greed! Forget the good days when online play was free! Let's all go out and get WoW!


or LIVE silver addition

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Okay, so I wasn't aware that was only the original XBL system that erased your name. It probably will erase your stats however.

The whole point with the fee is not wanting to pay for something I already had for free. It could be $1 or $1000. The point remains the same. I don't want to waste $78.8092 (that's the price I'm billed per year in the UK to be exact).

I see it leading to worst things. I mean, how can you condone locking me out of my own game until the end of the Halo 3 beta? Seriously. Is it a sign of what's to come?

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Posted by: PanchoBelt
Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Posted by: PanchoBelt
You know what? Go complain about live to people who care.

That's the spirit! Give into corporate greed! Forget the good days when online play was free! Let's all go out and get WoW!


or LIVE silver addition

Yeah, because we all know I can

a) create my own games on H2V free of charge without having to rent server space
b) utilize the mic
c) use match making
d) use optimatch

on a Silver account.

Free FTW indeed.

[Edited on 05.21.2007 7:03 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Btcc22
Okay, so I wasn't aware that was only the original XBL system that erased your name. It probably will erase your stats however.

The whole point with the fee is not wanting to pay for something I already had for free. It could be $1 or $1000. The point remains the same. I don't want to waste $78.8092 (that's the price I'm billed per year in the UK to be exact).

I see it leading to worst things. I mean, how can you condone locking me out of my own game until the end of the Halo 3 beta? Seriously. Is it a sign of what's to come?


If you don't want to pay get SILVER

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Posted by: PanchoBelt
Posted by: Romanticide
Right so I should post it on a forum about the first game to utilise it really!

Oh wait...


Post here http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation they might agree...


That had me laughing for a good minute or two.

Also: Anyone who gets WoW over H2V will be castrated by my pet monkey.

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If you want all those things, just pay the annual fee, it's not that expensive.

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Posted by: PanchoBelt
If you want all those things, just pay the annual fee, it's not that expensive.


PanchoBelt, that's not the whole reason.
It's in the moral of that PC gamers have had the freedom and taken pride in free online gaming to symbalize PC freedom. Now, Microsoft is constricting the goody features of such to a fee. Which is very un-PC like.

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Posted by: Btcc22
Okay, so I wasn't aware that was only the original XBL system that erased your name. It probably will erase your stats however.

The whole point with the fee is not wanting to pay for something I already had for free. It could be $1 or $1000. The point remains the same. I don't want to waste $78.8092 (that's the price I'm billed per year in the UK to be exact).

I see it leading to worst things. I mean, how can you condone locking me out of my own game until the end of the Halo 3 beta? Seriously. Is it a sign of what's to come?


You. Only. Need. The. Maps. To. Play. Some. Of. The. Matchmaking. Playlists.

Not all. Enjoy the ones that do not require it. And enjoy the social games.

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Posted by: PanchoBelt
If you want all those things, just pay the annual fee, it's not that expensive.


PanchoBelt, that's not the whole reason.
It's in the moral of that PC gamers have had the freedom and taken pride in free online gaming to symbalize PC freedom. Now, Microsoft is constricting the goody features of such to a fee. Which is very un-PC like.


I know that you know that there are ways to get around this.

For online play, just forward your ports in a lan game.
Use silver for genuine online play and chatting.
Still if not, use XFIRE.

IS THERE STILL A PROBLEM HERE??!

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Posted by: PanchoBelt
If you want all those things, just pay the annual fee, it's not that expensive.


Back to what Agamemnon said there really.

Optimatch or whatever? Been done on PC for free!
Mic use? Done on PC for free!
Content? Done on PC free!
Create your own games? Done on PC free!

There's a pattern starting to emerge here...

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Posted by: PanchoBelt
If you want all those things, just pay the annual fee, it's not that expensive.

You're still not getting it, obviously. By catering to a wage that seems fit for an average gamer with a job to see that "the fee isn't that much," then you've given in and have allowed Microsoft to do what they do best. I still find it amazing though how WC3, Diablo II LoD, and SC:BW have all free multi-player. Want to know why that is? Because they wouldn't be as popular if they had fees to play.

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