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Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Off topic: I just played STALKER and it was pretty nice, who else thinks so?
Oh and about the topic at hand, yes the corporations of today has flooded the minds of their consumers, just like something else we've heard of......... next thing you'll tell me that Bill Gates had Bus Stop software developed for Vista as a part of his plan to take over the world.

Are we going to argue sensibly, or are you going to throw out the extremities and conspiracy theories of things like a typical politician does when he has nothing to counter the argument at hand?

I will do neither.

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Well I'm gonna go to bed. Obviously, we all have different opinions, and that's not going to change. What doesn't make sense to me is that everyone is saying to do something about the charges. But the reality is, nothings going to change no matter how many people complain. I agree, it sucks that we have fees, and I wish there weren't any, but what can we do? We could just not make a gold account, but then we can't game. Anyway, I'll talk to you guys later.

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Ok look at it this way... Gas used to be what like 30 cents a gallon. It's now over $3 pushing to $4. Am I gonna stop buying gas? No. PC Gaming has been free for a long time well you think it's been free anyways. Now they want to charge you $50/year to do a little extra then what you were able to before. Am I gonna stop playing games? No because the world changes and we have to either accept it or FAIL.

  • 05.21.2007 8:46 PM PDT

Posted by: Tristania
Ok look at it this way... Gas used to be what like 30 cents a gallon. It's now over $3 pushing to $4. Am I gonna stop buying gas? No. PC Gaming has been free for a long time well you think it's been free anyways. Now they want to charge you $50/year to do a little extra then what you were able to before. Am I gonna stop playing games? No because the world changes and we have to either accept it or FAIL.

just as a news report, most people now days are scared of changes. here are two things that you should use to judge H2V and Live anywhere
"Don't knock it until you try it" and "Don't judge a book by it's cover"
just because the Live for Halo 2 Vista looks just like the one from the Xbox doesn't me it's the same thing. And consule games are slowly becoming to where people how has a PC, and like playing games on the PC can play games with people who like Playing games on consules. Live with it, it's not like the world is coming to an end because of it.

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Posted by: PanchoBelt
but I'm just saying, make a list of all the negatives, or something like that.

It's a good thing you didin't talk to me about all the negatives, if I were to post all of my negatives well... it'd be pretty -blam!- en long lol.

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Posted by: Tristania
Ok look at it this way... Gas used to be what like 30 cents a gallon. It's now over $3 pushing to $4. Am I gonna stop buying gas? No. PC Gaming has been free for a long time well you think it's been free anyways. Now they want to charge you $50/year to do a little extra then what you were able to before. Am I gonna stop playing games? No because the world changes and we have to either accept it or FAIL.

just as a news report, most people now days are scared of changes. here are two things that you should use to judge H2V and Live anywhere
"Don't knock it until you try it" and "Don't judge a book by it's cover"
just because the Live for Halo 2 Vista looks just like the one from the Xbox doesn't me it's the same thing. And consule games are slowly becoming to where people how has a PC, and like playing games on the PC can play games with people who like Playing games on consules. Live with it, it's not like the world is coming to an end because of it.


Ummm I was in agreement with the people who think its a good thing like you. Think about it its only $50/Yr Thats like 1/30th of what I pay for my Other PC Games to play them. Yes I pay to play on a lot of games already so it doesn't bother me in the least.

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Posted by: Tristania
Ummm I was in agreement with the people who think its a good thing like you. Think about it its only $50/Yr Thats like 1/30th of what I pay for my Other PC Games to play them. Yes I pay to play on a lot of games already so it doesn't bother me in the least.


$1500 to play PC games? What the heck?

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Posted by: Tristania
Ummm I was in agreement with the people who think its a good thing like you. Think about it its only $50/Yr Thats like 1/30th of what I pay for my Other PC Games to play them. Yes I pay to play on a lot of games already so it doesn't bother me in the least.


$1500 to play PC games? What the heck?

What a nerd.

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Minor exageration on the amount but you get the point. I do spend a lot. And thats before live. It's actually closer to about 8 or 900 right now before Live.

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I'm putting my two cents in, and leaving indefinitely, the forum is going down into an abyss created by the fact that the "Brain is Engaged" light doesn't seem to be on for too many people.

LIVE is here to stay, I hate it, some of you may hate it, but unless Microsoft goes down, LIVE won't go down.

Halo 2 Vista is running itself into the ground. It is horridly optimised, looks terrible on your average computer, and is yet again the result of an annoying port to the PC. Ports like this should go one way, from the PC to the console, You've already optimised it for s bunch of hardware combinations, now just do one. Going the other way is like driving a semi in the opposite direction of traffic on a freeway.

The fact that Microsoft is charging money to use the features we would like in a game we bought for the PC is downright stupid, I personally can't stand games that do that, hell, even before major digital distribution hit, Steam was completely free, they didn't charge me to use their system to play online. I bought Battlefield 2142, does EA charge me to use their server browser? To use all the features I paid for in the first place? $50 a year may not be much, but I am not willing to pay it to play just one or two games using that service, face it, Silver is crap.

Correct me if I'm wrong, or not, say what you want, it's not like I'm going to be here to see it.

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Be as it may, your right, live is here to stay. Unfortunate is such a cost, but think about what your really paying for. First off, you don't really need to buy the year plus one month subscription. There is a nice one month one, but on matters of money, the fifty dollar one is more cost efficient. Live service includes many of the same things that have been around for PC users for years. Chat, aim? Video Chat, Messenger? Voice Chat, Ventrillo? A steady list of friends and family, aim again? Demos, File Planet? These features are some things that don't add up for a PC user. The only thing that i would assume we would be paying for is the servers that they offer, but even then. Servers have been around free of charge to casual players, and even then, LIVE works more like a peer-to-peer service than any fare dedicated servers. So technically, they are only a relay station, not a server station. Ever wonder why, when you create a game in Gears of War, there is a host advantage? That is called a server side system. This system is used to obviously reduce cheating, but it creates spikes in the code when communicating between boxes. So when user "A" starts up a new game and waits for the LIVE relay station to connect users to his connection, they are actually communicating with user A's box, not a dedicated server within Microsoft. Mind i fill in the little fact that peer-to-peer services have been free for years as well? Bit torrent maybe? The point throughout this argument is that a PC user is not used to having to pay for these types of services.

Let me give you an example of something that is more reasonable to pay for, WoW. The reason you are paying for WoW is for a complete staff to create updates more quickly to address in-game issues, server issues, and add new features. These features appear every few months or so and to the players that play WoW, it is most defiantly worth it. Take a game like Diablo II that didn't have a month fee. Sure, it was fun, but updates took maybe a half year to a year to finish. Why is that? Because there was only one man working on a full game update. Why is that? Because there wasn't enough money to station a full staff.

Point being, LIVE should not be on the PC. I understand that LIVE is a great feature *for the console* , but not for a PC, and even that is stretching it. Microsoft has created the ultimate scam. People shouldn't have to pay for a simple program that just connects me to someone else's box. Maybe if I got many other features, maybe if there were dedicated servers, maybe if it didn't take away money that i could put towards something more useful. Maybe then I would purchase LIVE for the PC, but I am not going to, why? Because Microsoft made a pretty program, and charged fifty dollars a year for it.

PS: Irony has its way though. I am soon to purchase a 360 to play some very good games that have come out, and will come out for the 360. Unfortunately, for my wallet, that fifty dollars will be used to purchase the LIVE service, intended for use with my 360. Yes, i don't agree with it, but there is no other service for the 360 at present, and there will probably never be any other type of service. So, there goes that money.

PSS: You have to admit, whom ever came up with the idea of LIVE is a genius, but most of all, i give all credit to the marketing team. Damn them!

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Posted by: egatok
Be as it may, your right, live is here to stay. Unfortunate is such a cost, but think about what your really paying for. First off, you don't really need to buy the year plus one month subscription. There is a nice one month one, but on matters of money, the fifty dollar one is more cost efficient. Live service includes many of the same things that have been around for PC users for years. Chat, aim? Video Chat, Messenger? Voice Chat, Ventrillo? A steady list of friends and family, aim again? Demos, File Planet? These features are some things that don't add up for a PC user. The only thing that i would assume we would be paying for is the servers that they offer, but even then. Servers have been around free of charge to casual players, and even then, LIVE works more like a peer-to-peer service than any fare dedicated servers. So technically, they are only a relay station, not a server station. Ever wonder why, when you create a game in Gears of War, there is a host advantage? That is called a server side system. This system is used to obviously reduce cheating, but it creates spikes in the code when communicating between boxes. So when user "A" starts up a new game and waits for the LIVE relay station to connect users to his connection, they are actually communicating with user A's box, not a dedicated server within Microsoft. Mind i fill in the little fact that peer-to-peer services have been free for years as well? Bit torrent maybe? The point throughout this argument is that a PC user is not used to having to pay for these types of services.

Let me give you an example of something that is more reasonable to pay for, WoW. The reason you are paying for WoW is for a complete staff to create updates more quickly to address in-game issues, server issues, and add new features. These features appear every few months or so and to the players that play WoW, it is most defiantly worth it. Take a game like Diablo II that didn't have a month fee. Sure, it was fun, but updates took maybe a half year to a year to finish. Why is that? Because there was only one man working on a full game update. Why is that? Because there wasn't enough money to station a full staff.

Point being, LIVE should not be on the PC. I understand that LIVE is a great feature *for the console* , but not for a PC, and even that is stretching it. Microsoft has created the ultimate scam. People shouldn't have to pay for a simple program that just connects me to someone else's box. Maybe if I got many other features, maybe if there were dedicated servers, maybe if it didn't take away money that i could put towards something more useful. Maybe then I would purchase LIVE for the PC, but I am not going to, why? Because Microsoft made a pretty program, and charged fifty dollars a year for it.

PS: Irony has its way though. I am soon to purchase a 360 to play some very good games that have come out, and will come out for the 360. Unfortunately, for my wallet, that fifty dollars will be used to purchase the LIVE service, intended for use with my 360. Yes, i don't agree with it, but there is no other service for the 360 at present, and there will probably never be any other type of service. So, there goes that money.

PSS: You have to admit, whom ever came up with the idea of LIVE is a genius, but most of all, i give all credit to the marketing team. Damn them!


Exactly!

It's just not worth paying for. I mean I love all the unity and it's a great idea.

But really it's like a step down from X-Fire that cost's £40.

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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Off topic: I just played STALKER and it was pretty nice, who else thinks so?
Oh and about the topic at hand, yes the corporations of today has flooded the minds of their consumers, just like something else we've heard of......... next thing you'll tell me that Bill Gates had Bus Stop software developed for Vista as a part of his plan to take over the world.

Are we going to argue sensibly, or are you going to throw out the extremities and conspiracy theories of things like a typical politician does when he has nothing to counter the argument at hand?

I will do neither.

You just did the latter in that post.

Posted by: PanchoBelt
Well I'm gonna go to bed. Obviously, we all have different opinions, and that's not going to change. What doesn't make sense to me is that everyone is saying to do something about the charges. But the reality is, nothings going to change no matter how many people complain. I agree, it sucks that we have fees, and I wish there weren't any, but what can we do? We could just not make a gold account, but then we can't game. Anyway, I'll talk to you guys later.

Wrong. Things can change. It's happened plenty of times before. You don't honestly think game updates come out based on how the game developer felt what needed to be updated, do you?

Posted by: Tristania
Ok look at it this way... Gas used to be what like 30 cents a gallon. It's now over $3 pushing to $4. Am I gonna stop buying gas? No. PC Gaming has been free for a long time well you think it's been free anyways. Now they want to charge you $50/year to do a little extra then what you were able to before. Am I gonna stop playing games? No because the world changes and we have to either accept it or FAIL.

Christ, what is it with you people? Again, when you get to high school, you'll take economics and learn all about inflation and the standard cost of living. Until then, stop using this s*** argument as part of the "it's ok" statement. Anyone who goes on about this again is a verified idiot.

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Posted by: Tristania
Ok look at it this way... Gas used to be what like 30 cents a gallon. It's now over $3 pushing to $4. Am I gonna stop buying gas? No. PC Gaming has been free for a long time well you think it's been free anyways. Now they want to charge you $50/year to do a little extra then what you were able to before. Am I gonna stop playing games? No because the world changes and we have to either accept it or FAIL.

just as a news report, most people now days are scared of changes. here are two things that you should use to judge H2V and Live anywhere
"Don't knock it until you try it" and "Don't judge a book by it's cover"
just because the Live for Halo 2 Vista looks just like the one from the Xbox doesn't me it's the same thing. And consule games are slowly becoming to where people how has a PC, and like playing games on the PC can play games with people who like Playing games on consules. Live with it, it's not like the world is coming to an end because of it.

Orwell would've given you a grilling.

But, yeah, let's keep on going thinking all the advances in technology are an ok thing to do. Cloning, artificial insemination, genetic engineering--hey, who needs each other any more? Just go ahead and clone your perfect DNA-chosen wife and then receive a sperm donor to impregnate her. I'm sure that's how it was intended, after all.

And if that's not scary, then you've sadly become conditioned to the changes and accept them with open arms. Here are something you should consider:

-Not all that glitters is gold

This isn't being afraid of change; this is being logical. Some things were never meant to be, yet, as we have free will, we decide we can break those boundries. Of course, everyone thinks movies like the 6th Day were just for entertainment, yet it wasn't. It was to give an insight of what might happen to this world if we kept on the path we are going now. And you want to know what the funny thing was? Everyone went with the flow because they were led to believe everything would be alright. They went on saying those economic slogans we all know by heart; "out with the old and in with the new;" "change is good."

If you believe in such things then you are not thinking for yourself; you're thinking exactly as how your government wants you to think.

Posted by: egatok
Be as it may, your right, live is here to stay. Unfortunate is such a cost, but think about what your really paying for. First off, you don't really need to buy the year plus one month subscription. There is a nice one month one, but on matters of money, the fifty dollar one is more cost efficient. Live service includes many of the same things that have been around for PC users for years. Chat, aim? Video Chat, Messenger? Voice Chat, Ventrillo? A steady list of friends and family, aim again? Demos, File Planet? These features are some things that don't add up for a PC user. The only thing that i would assume we would be paying for is the servers that they offer, but even then. Servers have been around free of charge to casual players, and even then, LIVE works more like a peer-to-peer service than any fare dedicated servers. So technically, they are only a relay station, not a server station. Ever wonder why, when you create a game in Gears of War, there is a host advantage? That is called a server side system. This system is used to obviously reduce cheating, but it creates spikes in the code when communicating between boxes. So when user "A" starts up a new game and waits for the LIVE relay station to connect users to his connection, they are actually communicating with user A's box, not a dedicated server within Microsoft. Mind i fill in the little fact that peer-to-peer services have been free for years as well? Bit torrent maybe? The point throughout this argument is that a PC user is not used to having to pay for these types of services.

It's amazing how Xifre does all of that. It's also amazing how Xfire is free too.

Posted by: egatok
Let me give you an example of something that is more reasonable to pay for, WoW. The reason you are paying for WoW is for a complete staff to create updates more quickly to address in-game issues, server issues, and add new features. These features appear every few months or so and to the players that play WoW, it is most defiantly worth it. Take a game like Diablo II that didn't have a month fee. Sure, it was fun, but updates took maybe a half year to a year to finish. Why is that? Because there was only one man working on a full game update. Why is that? Because there wasn't enough money to station a full staff.

No, the reason why you pay a monthly fee for WoW is so Blizzard can pay for the thousands of servers they are running for people. That's about it. There's no other real reason. Also, Diablo II updates were usually NOT welcomed in the Diablo community and the updates ended up including new content, not bug fixes. There are no bugs any more with Diablo.

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Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
No, the reason why you pay a monthly fee for WoW is so Blizzard can pay for the thousands of servers they are running for people. That's about it. There's no other real reason. Also, Diablo II updates were usually NOT welcomed in the Diablo community and the updates ended up including new content, not bug fixes. There are no bugs any more with Diablo.


Hmm, I understand completely. I forgot about the WoW servers, and I have to admit, I only played Diablo II for half a year. But, I am still sure that the monthly fee for WoW is at least paying three people to work on the game, along with all the servers (There is like 80 or so).

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Posted by: Anton P Nym
who says you have to be an ace to have fun?

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Stupid parents let their stupid children play games that are rated M when they should be playing Big Birds Spelling Adventures

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Also the AR is actually good in CQB now and no longer a glorified baseball bat.

Posted by: Btcc22
Okay, so I wasn't aware that was only the original XBL system that erased your name. It probably will erase your stats however.


Nope. Your stats remain. I had an account revert to a silver account, and my stats are still there.

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Posted by: Btcc22
I have to agree with the post actually.

The whole network is a load of fail (pardon the expression). I liked my PC gaming that way it was. Untouched by the ways of the console.

1) It takes skill to use a keyboard and mouse, but now we'll have to pit ourselves against players using Xbox controllers with their auto aim filth.

2) No game that comes out for Live and has the option to play with Xbox 360 players will ever take advantage of the true power a PC has to offer for the simple reason that it's unlikely we'll see a ported game with vasty superior graphics that can get the most out of a high end PC.

3) I like my dedicated servers. Not so much user created rooms when it comes to FPS. One reason is so everyone can have a fair playing field and not have to worry about being bridged out the game, or have other network related cheats used against them. A sub point here is that the whole system is focused on Americans. Not meaning to offend, but I do like to play against UK players in UK servers where I'm not at a 200-300+ms disadvantage every single game like in Halo 2.

4) It seems the trend is to dumb everything down, including the replacing of ping bars with colour bar charts that will tell you a 200ms ping is A.O.K. Wrong! It's not okay in an FPS. I blame console gaming for this. Oh, also the whole thing with system ratings because people can't be bothered to learn a small amount about hardware.

5) I don't really like having to pay a yearly fee to pay games I own online. This is not the way of PC gaming. I might understand more if it was optional to have access to hundreds of dedicated servers. But, we don't get that.

6) PC gaming is where to go for user created content, I can only see the Live system trying to stomp on that with all their run from the disc plans and so on.

7) I don't like having to sign into one network for all my games (I can see all MS published games doing this with Live). Heck, if I fail to renew my account in time, I've lost my name permanently (you can't recover your Live name if you fail to renew) and bye bye all my stats, friends etc!

I'm sure there are more points, but 7 is good to start.


I agree with Btcc. Live Anywhere PHAILS. That is just not the way for PC gaming, at all.

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ok i never posted here before but because of the madness MS is doing i thought maybe another voice won't hurt.
so let me start by saying i am a pc gamer. i use xfire and vent or team speak. xfire alone does what XBL does. the guys saying it is worth it cause its cross platform and it the way of the future, look at this, 2 systems exist PC and console. combining the systems can focus more on any side or just stay in the middle. what do i mean? PC is free, XBOX cost 50$ a year. if u xbox guys are happy to pay 50$ a year just to get relayed to someone elses XBOX then fine, u can pay ur 50$ and we can play against u for free but that won't be fair. so this is where things have to lean to one way. so it can lean towards allowing external companies to make software for the xbox for free, software that allows voice chat, setting up a VLan(that all live really does) all of which PC gamers can already do for free. hamachi sets up a VLan xfire does everything else, actually xfire is a better free program that does everything XBL can do, even track stats. but what we are getting as the way of the future is not the free alternative, it the paying 50$ for nothing alternative. those who say its not 50$ for nothing, go buy an extra network card and get a program name XB Connect, it creates a VLan its just as good as XBL, hell it even shows you your ping.

to you guys who say its not much money i have 2 questions
1) why are we not fighting for the free alternative which is clearly there?
2)would you mind sending me 50$ a year for no good reason?

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Exactly what zerokoooool had just said. Xfire can do pretty much everything Xbox Live can do, BUT FOR FREE. But now that Windows Live and all those POS's has taken over the TRUE PC gaming, we get lowered down to console fanboy standards. WTF.

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Halo 2 Vista/LIVE (LOLCAPSLOCK, I never understood why LIVE is captalized. ) = fail. I will continue the wait for Crysis.
Crysis will run on both DX9 & DX10 as well as Windows XP and Windows Vista.
BUT I CAN'T PLAY WHILE IT'S INSTALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111111ON EONEONEONEONEONEONEONE


I'm so glad I waited until I had more info on the game, specifically the LIVE stuff.

And btw:
OS: Windows Vista
Processor: 2 Ghz Pentium 4 class processor (or x64)
RAM: 1 GB
Hard Drive: 7 GB
Video Card: DX9 graphics card: WDDM driver, PS 2.0/32BPP, At least nVidia 6000 or ATI x700 or above
Online Multi-player: Internet connection for Games for Windows – LIVE
Drive: DVD-ROM drive
^^ H2V min req.
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CPU: Athlon 64 3000+/Intel 2.8ghz
Graphics: Nvidia 6200 or ATI X1300 - Shader Model 2.0
RAM: 768MB on Windows XP or 1GB on Windows Vista
HDD: 6GB
Internet: 256k+
Optical Drive: DVD
Software: DX9.0c with Windows XP
Estimated Crysis min req. ^^

Edit: Sorry quotes are screwy on this forum.

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Bump. This is a really good discussion with many good points on both sides.

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Well, just because Xfire is free doesn't mean that LIVE Gold has to be, too. LIVE Silver is just fine for the average user who wants to play multiplayer free of charge.

$50 a year is not at all that much and I think, mostly , of all reasons that people are are against LIVE is because it's an online service on the console, when actually LIVE is quite a good service.

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I personally don't care that it requires vista, I already have vista ultimate. What really annoys me is the Live system. When they originally announced it they said that silver would have all the features of normal PC multiplayer games have and that gold would only have new features that add to the overall experience.

This has not come to be true, for example one of the "features" of gold live for Halo 2 PC is that you are able to mark servers as favourites... this is hardly new or unique and should be there in first place.

Gold does have some features like match making and the achievements, but this is not worth the price in my opinion. Valve are on a course to put the final nails in the coffin of windows Live as they're adding match making, party system, achievements, etc all to steam and staying free.

At the moment I'm not going to buy Halo 2V, I see no point. Maybe if it falls in price to the bargin bin I may consider it. Still even if I get it out of the bargin bin I won't be paying for live gold service.

  • 05.22.2007 3:40 PM PDT

Get Marathon Here
Get Marathon 2 and Infinity Here

I'm sorry, did I just read 6 pages of -blam!-ing about crap that no one here is forced to use?

Because I'm sure I did, I just can't believe it. Since when is a UI reason to bash a service? "I don't like that it has 'press A for this or B for that'", good god people, grow up. And the whole "50 bucks a year for services we can get for free" thing is just as moronic, you don't need to use Windows Live Gold, just wait for those great free pieces of software you love so much to include H2V.

Most of them you don't even need to wait for, so what's the problem?

And this:


Posted by: CommanderZx2
At the moment I'm not going to buy Halo 2V, I see no point. Maybe if it falls in price to the bargin bin I may consider it. Still even if I get it out of the bargin bin I won't be paying for live gold service.


If you own a 360, why are you here? As obviously you have played Halo 2, and thus there is no reason for you to play it on PC, as obviously you care not for the fact you can do all these great things that XBox Live makes you pay for, free of charge on the PC, and don't wish to play Halo 2 with a KB&M, nore play any of the custom maps people will be churning out.

All then there's all these people -blam!-ing about how controllers will ruin Halo 2 multiplayer. Have you EVEN PLAYED THE GAME FIRST? Hmmm, no, you haven't, so why don't you STFU and stop whining over non-existant problems.

All I see are the supposed "Ancients" of The Maw complaining over non-issues. Boo Hoo, Bungie doesn't love us, they didn't port Halo 2. Boo Hoo, Bungie doesn't love us, their porting Halo 2 to Vista, Boo Hoo, Bungie doesn't love us, the map editor doesn't include a free copy of 3dsMax, so we can only make maps with existing Halo 2 geometry. Boo Hoo, Bungie doesn't love us, they didn't make Live Gold free just like all our other free programs that do the same thing, just without matchmaking and stuff.

You don't DESERVE Bungie's love you ungrateful losers, I would rather see this forum dead than filled with the likes of this crap.

  • 05.22.2007 4:03 PM PDT
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*All of the above is the opinion of the user: WartHogRacerman3. Complaints can be forwarded to his secretary.

I own an HDTV [12/30/07]

No, Vista is doomed. H2 should be on XP.

[Edited on 05.22.2007 4:29 PM PDT]

  • 05.22.2007 4:28 PM PDT

Posted by: WartHogRacerman3
No, Vista is doomed. H2 should be on XP.



Your one of the morons that said that when xp came out arn't you.


ITS A NEW OS!!!! ITS GONNA BE HATED BY MOST OF THE POULATION AT FIRST



I myself love it. (:

  • 05.22.2007 4:40 PM PDT