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Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Posted by: Desert Fox RWTF
Off topic: I just played STALKER and it was pretty nice, who else thinks so?
Oh and about the topic at hand, yes the corporations of today has flooded the minds of their consumers, just like something else we've heard of......... next thing you'll tell me that Bill Gates had Bus Stop software developed for Vista as a part of his plan to take over the world.
Are we going to argue sensibly, or are you going to throw out the extremities and conspiracy theories of things like a typical politician does when he has nothing to counter the argument at hand?
I will do neither.
You just did the latter in that post.
Posted by: PanchoBelt
Well I'm gonna go to bed. Obviously, we all have different opinions, and that's not going to change. What doesn't make sense to me is that everyone is saying to do something about the charges. But the reality is, nothings going to change no matter how many people complain. I agree, it sucks that we have fees, and I wish there weren't any, but what can we do? We could just not make a gold account, but then we can't game. Anyway, I'll talk to you guys later.
Wrong. Things can change. It's happened plenty of times before. You don't honestly think game updates come out based on how the game developer felt what needed to be updated, do you?
Posted by: Tristania
Ok look at it this way... Gas used to be what like 30 cents a gallon. It's now over $3 pushing to $4. Am I gonna stop buying gas? No. PC Gaming has been free for a long time well you think it's been free anyways. Now they want to charge you $50/year to do a little extra then what you were able to before. Am I gonna stop playing games? No because the world changes and we have to either accept it or FAIL.
Christ, what is it with you people? Again, when you get to high school, you'll take economics and learn all about inflation and the standard cost of living. Until then, stop using this s*** argument as part of the "it's ok" statement. Anyone who goes on about this again is a verified idiot.
Posted by: Stealth_1000
Posted by: Tristania
Ok look at it this way... Gas used to be what like 30 cents a gallon. It's now over $3 pushing to $4. Am I gonna stop buying gas? No. PC Gaming has been free for a long time well you think it's been free anyways. Now they want to charge you $50/year to do a little extra then what you were able to before. Am I gonna stop playing games? No because the world changes and we have to either accept it or FAIL.
just as a news report, most people now days are scared of changes. here are two things that you should use to judge H2V and Live anywhere
"Don't knock it until you try it" and "Don't judge a book by it's cover"
just because the Live for Halo 2 Vista looks just like the one from the Xbox doesn't me it's the same thing. And consule games are slowly becoming to where people how has a PC, and like playing games on the PC can play games with people who like Playing games on consules. Live with it, it's not like the world is coming to an end because of it.
Orwell would've given you a grilling.
But, yeah, let's keep on going thinking all the advances in technology are an ok thing to do. Cloning, artificial insemination, genetic engineering--hey, who needs each other any more? Just go ahead and clone your perfect DNA-chosen wife and then receive a sperm donor to impregnate her. I'm sure that's how it was intended, after all.
And if that's not scary, then you've sadly become conditioned to the changes and accept them with open arms. Here are something you should consider:
-Not all that glitters is gold
This isn't being afraid of change; this is being logical. Some things were never meant to be, yet, as we have free will, we decide we can break those boundries. Of course, everyone thinks movies like the 6th Day were just for entertainment, yet it wasn't. It was to give an insight of what might happen to this world if we kept on the path we are going now. And you want to know what the funny thing was? Everyone went with the flow because they were led to believe everything would be alright. They went on saying those economic slogans we all know by heart; "out with the old and in with the new;" "change is good."
If you believe in such things then you are not thinking for yourself; you're thinking exactly as how your government wants you to think.
Posted by: egatok
Be as it may, your right, live is here to stay. Unfortunate is such a cost, but think about what your really paying for. First off, you don't really need to buy the year plus one month subscription. There is a nice one month one, but on matters of money, the fifty dollar one is more cost efficient. Live service includes many of the same things that have been around for PC users for years. Chat, aim? Video Chat, Messenger? Voice Chat, Ventrillo? A steady list of friends and family, aim again? Demos, File Planet? These features are some things that don't add up for a PC user. The only thing that i would assume we would be paying for is the servers that they offer, but even then. Servers have been around free of charge to casual players, and even then, LIVE works more like a peer-to-peer service than any fare dedicated servers. So technically, they are only a relay station, not a server station. Ever wonder why, when you create a game in Gears of War, there is a host advantage? That is called a server side system. This system is used to obviously reduce cheating, but it creates spikes in the code when communicating between boxes. So when user "A" starts up a new game and waits for the LIVE relay station to connect users to his connection, they are actually communicating with user A's box, not a dedicated server within Microsoft. Mind i fill in the little fact that peer-to-peer services have been free for years as well? Bit torrent maybe? The point throughout this argument is that a PC user is not used to having to pay for these types of services.
It's amazing how Xifre does all of that. It's also amazing how Xfire is free too.
Posted by: egatok
Let me give you an example of something that is more reasonable to pay for, WoW. The reason you are paying for WoW is for a complete staff to create updates more quickly to address in-game issues, server issues, and add new features. These features appear every few months or so and to the players that play WoW, it is most defiantly worth it. Take a game like Diablo II that didn't have a month fee. Sure, it was fun, but updates took maybe a half year to a year to finish. Why is that? Because there was only one man working on a full game update. Why is that? Because there wasn't enough money to station a full staff.
No, the reason why you pay a monthly fee for WoW is so Blizzard can pay for the thousands of servers they are running for people. That's about it. There's no other real reason. Also, Diablo II updates were usually NOT welcomed in the Diablo community and the updates ended up including new content, not bug fixes. There are no bugs any more with Diablo.
[Edited on 05.22.2007 3:18 AM PDT]