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  • 05.22.2007 7:46 PM PDT
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why are you complaining. every one spawns with the same weapons. so it gives u no disadvantage.

  • 05.22.2007 10:00 PM PDT

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Back in my day we didn't have no fancy lasers, and the hogs were indestructible!

ahem!

stfu! and gtfo this forum!

go moan on halo2sucks.com

edit: haha why are you complaining, you have mostly just played hardcore anyway and you have won only 10% of those games.

[Edited on 05.23.2007 4:06 AM PDT]

  • 05.23.2007 4:04 AM PDT
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  • 05.23.2007 4:09 AM PDT

Posted by: Black Hawk Up
ahem!

stfu! and gtfo this forum!

go moan on halo2sucks.com

edit: haha why are you complaining, you have mostly just played hardcore anyway and you have won only 10% of those games.

He may be tedious and even wrong, but he has the right to make the point.

The BR is not the ultimate spawning weapon. At least half the guns in the game are not worth picking up anymore - that may not bother you, or even me much, but it is a problem nevertheless. It may work well for the style of play you like but you aren't everyone. I agree the SMG blows donkeys a little, but a BR start is a knee-jerk reaction. The ultimate spawning weapon would be a compromise.

  • 05.23.2007 4:09 AM PDT

Posted by: munkeypants

Back in my day we didn't have no fancy lasers, and the hogs were indestructible!

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Posted by: Black Hawk Up
ahem!

stfu! and gtfo this forum!

go moan on halo2sucks.com

edit: haha why are you complaining, you have mostly just played hardcore anyway and you have won only 10% of those games.

He may be tedious and even wrong, but he has the right to make the point.

The BR is not the ultimate spawning weapon. At least half the guns in the game are not worth picking up anymore - that may not bother you, or even me much, but it is a problem nevertheless. It may work well for the style of play you like but you aren't everyone. I agree the SMG blows donkeys a little, but a BR start is a knee-jerk reaction. The ultimate spawning weapon would be a compromise.


My bad. I was out of order their, sorry pal. I'm just extremely fed up with people complaining about Halo 2 and even worse Halo 3, both are incredible games. I have a friend who is a big Counter-Strike player he thought that both would not be good then he played it and agreed that even Halo 2 is way better than Counter-Strike. It seems to me that some people just don't realise how good Halo 2 is.

  • 05.23.2007 4:20 AM PDT

Hey, don't apologise, you'd hate me no doubt, I have endless complaints! Likewise, my pet hate is people trying to stop negative criticism. The more you play, the more stuff bugs you - obviously something's right or you just wouldn't play, I think sometimes people get things out of perspective.

  • 05.23.2007 4:42 AM PDT

i believe the way it is set in MM at the moment is correct* ,double team you now look forward to objective games(now all BR start) where as before you'd dread these games,dualweilding still has a "suprise" effect on BR owners.................

* at least an SMG is better then plasmas rifle on midship?

  • 05.23.2007 5:14 AM PDT

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* at least an SMG is better then plasmas rifle on midship?

Much like a kick in the balls is better than a hot poker up the jacksie.

  • 05.23.2007 5:20 AM PDT

Posted by: johnd3d
This is not a complait its just the smg is not balanced like te BR as a starting weapon so to make the game more balanced the default starting weapon in matchmaking should be the BR.
the smg is good for spray and mele+ nades if you stay in areas where a lot of this is going on your in,if you run across glass on Lockout = die

  • 05.23.2007 5:25 AM PDT
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I Strongley Disagree...!! I am getting sick of people starting off with Rockets n Snipers n Assualt.. I think when you spawn you should have the weekest weapon in the game and have to go find better weapons. In doing so it creat's choke point's.In by doing so make's a better game. If you dont know what choke point's are maybe you shouldnt comment on the matter.

  • 05.23.2007 6:50 AM PDT
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Just play HC, that's what I do. It's actually a better way to gauge your skill than Slayer ever was.

  • 05.23.2007 7:02 AM PDT
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Everyone starting with a BR gets old quick, at least for me, and especially in the smaller maps. There are dozens of weapons in the game, the BR shouldn't be the ONLY one that people use. Part of any FPS is getting away, hiding, things like that, and in maps like Warlock, Lockout, and Midship, a BR spawn is overpowered. You should be able to spawn on a map without being instantly hit with a barrage of BR fire to the head. Another aspect of the game is weapon control. Spawn with an SMG and find something better, you can't expect them to change the way the game is played because you want everyone to spawn with the same weapon. Spawning with a BR changes more things that you've probably cared to take into consideration.

  • 05.23.2007 7:52 AM PDT

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Everyone starting with a BR gets old quick, at least for me, and especially in the smaller maps. There are dozens of weapons in the game, the BR shouldn't be the ONLY one that people use. Part of any FPS is getting away, hiding, things like that, and in maps like Warlock, Lockout, and Midship, a BR spawn is overpowered.

I agree 100%. Spawning with the BR in small close-combat maps makes about as much sense as spawning with the SMG on Coagulation. And I say that as someone who despises the Stupid Miserable Gun. I can't stand spray-and-pray games where everyone runs around either with two SMGs or PR + SMG spraying everyone to oblivion. But I'd even more hate if H2 depraves to "one weapon only" games like it was in H:CE with the pistol.

  • 05.23.2007 8:09 AM PDT

Posted by: johnd3d
This is not a complait its just the smg is not balanced like te BR as a starting weapon so to make the game more balanced the default starting weapon in matchmaking should be the BR.

You obviously don't know how to use an SMG and be effective. Dual SMGs will kick any BR's ass at close to mid range.

  • 05.23.2007 8:55 AM PDT

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  • 05.23.2007 10:21 AM PDT
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I very much prefer BRs over SMGs, but some maps are very good for SMGs. I think Turf is a good one.

  • 05.23.2007 10:26 AM PDT
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Even though im consistent on the fact that the SMG sucks, you cant make the BR the starting weapon. It will take dual wielding (which is fun as hell and adds to the strategy of Halo 2) out of the game.

Just leave it as it is and wait for Halo 3, and the we will complain about the AR.

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  • 05.23.2007 10:59 AM PDT
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  • 05.23.2007 11:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: johnd3d
The weapon that players start out ever game with it will effect the decisions players make however when all players spawn with a Smg players stop duel wielding and players stop grendeing. When players start off a game in matchmaking or before the game start the first goal of
players is to search for another weapon such as the BR. The Smg is not a formidable weapon against any other weapon in halo 2 and dust should be exchanged with the Battle Rifle. The Battle rifle in halo 2 is the ultimate spawning weapon and useful in almost all situations unlike the Smg which is only effective for close range combat.



How about no.

There are good significant reasons as to why the BR is not the default spawning weapon.

If every one spawned with a BR then no one would bother to pick up another weapon since the battle rifle is suitable for most situations. It would cause alot of weapons to be unused and ruin the game. A big thing about halo 2 is being able to use a range of different weapons and using them to your advantage, with battle rifle spawns this would be taken away.

Everyone spawning with an SMG makes people use combos and use different approaches/tactics to battles as well as making use of other weapons and not just one weapon, in this case the BR.

The SMG does not suck, it is a very good close range weapon, better then a BR for close range and the fact that it can be dual wielded gives an advantage over power weapons and rifles.

With the SMG people do not stop grenading or meleeing for that matter.

If you spawn or have a short range weapon like the SMG and find your self up against someone with a weapon like a battle rifle or sniper rifle or rocket launcher and they are out of your range then this does not mean you have to engage them. You can fall back, take safer/ less open routes to get to them or you can run away...

There are many more reasons as to why the Batttle Rifle is not the default spawning weapon and the SMG is however i don't have the time to go into them. If you do hate spawning with an SMG then you can easily just pick up a different weapon; and if you love the BR that much then play team hardcore or team SWAT, in these game types the BR is always/ very often often the spawning weapon. This topic about no BR spawns is complained about so often


  • 05.23.2007 12:13 PM PDT

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Fans have been begging bungie to switch to BR starts ever since halo 2 came out, I doubt the developers will change their minds now. If you want to have BR starts so badly, then I suggest joining the MLG community. I personally was a big fan of BR starts (back when I actually had XBL), so I ended up playing a good amount of team hardcore.

  • 05.23.2007 12:37 PM PDT
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People who hate spawning with an SMG have to realise that you can't instantly control the map with it. If a guy on the other team has sniper + rockets you don't have to run straight to him. BR start would ruin many close range maps such as Midship and Warlock. the only map which I want BR spawn to always be on is Desolation. Bungie said it was designed with the MLG community in mind but there are only 2 BR's on the map. If the other team have 2 BR's up top and toy spawn down the bottom there is nothing you can do.

  • 05.23.2007 12:48 PM PDT

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