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637. Having to play -blam!- 2v2 Ivory tower with a damn smg start. Seriously WTF, ftl.

  • 08.16.2007 6:40 AM PDT
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638. When pxt legit bumps his thread WAY too much....

639. People that play bad music in their mics.

  • 08.16.2007 6:47 AM PDT

640.Getting like 5 wins and ranking up then losing 1 time and ranking down.

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478. British People

wtf is wrong with british people im british but i dont say -blam!- like "omfg USA -blam!-es suck :D" (i dont care about races we are all human beings) =/


641. People who aimbot and sit there telling u that u suck when u actually own them more even though they cheat o_O.
642. People that 'hump' your dead body after killing you and say into mic "owned" and ur like T.T thinking 'what a loser'.
643. People that get annoyed when u kill them, just cause they suck so much dick and they then start saying stuff like " omg u haxxor " LOL

  • 08.16.2007 8:23 AM PDT
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I put this up on the forums almost 2 years ago... figured it might be relevant in this thread (though it doesn't follow the format of making a numbered list... sorry =\). I posted this in a thread called "Why people should quit playing Halo 2, but don't."

"You sit down to play some Halo 2 (all and all probably the best console FPS to ever go online), and you get onto XBOX live, you get in a game, and no sooner than you start does someone quit on your team, you spawn in a -blam!- location, opening lag prevents you from getting in any tactical advantage, XBOX live drops you from the game, or you get matched against the overabundance of cheaters currently populating XBOX live. Sound familiar? I know if you play nearly as often as me it does.

These are very important design flaws that Bungie/Microsoft need to get together and fix, because it ruins gameplay for everyone. But they don't... or they won't, and why? Money might be a reason. I mean, if you booted all the people who cheat on XBOX live, you might not have enough people to start a game anymore (so that might be a bit of an exaggeration, but not by much). It might be too hard to fix some of those problems from their standpoint (although if they want any sympathy from the millions of people playing it because "it'd be too hard" then they can cram it!). The fact of the matter is, those problems are there, and there to stay. What frustrates me (and I imagine legions of other players on XBOX live) is that Bungie claimed to have fixed, or at least partially fixed some of the problems on Halo 2 (i.e. Standby, level balance issues, broken weapons, etc.), when in fact they just traded them for new problems, or even the same problems. Anyone who's played Team Rifles on Ascension knows what I'm talking about. And if they claim that Standby (or cheating related to standby) has been quelled, then I haven't seen it. People cheat all the time, standby or otherwise.

So, with all the complaints I here from people on XBOX live, why do people keep playing Halo 2 online? Because it is a great game. And because video games are addictive, there is no denying that. But it has the potential to be a great online game. Bungie just needs to get their act together and start looking at obvious problems and fixing them. If someone wants a list from me, or to start a list of their own, reply to this thread and add your commentary about what you think needs to be taken out, put in, or changed, or even changed back (like what's with beatdown damage???).

Oh, and one last comment -- I read a while back on a Bungie post about greifing and cheating (basically their comment was on people who abuse the system in a way unintended by the designers), and they said, "people who say 'it's your fault for putting it in the game' are wrong because other people choose not to use it" is a load of bull. If you put something in a game that unbalances it (glitch or otherwise), and you expect people not to exploit it (especially when they pay you money for your product and the online service you provide), then you are a bad designer, and somebody should call the "Waaaaambulance" for you."

Here is the response I got from the Master forum ninja, Anton P Nym:
"Posted by: SirRosencrantz
If you put something in a game that unbalances it (glitch or otherwise), and you expect people not to exploit it (especially when they pay you money for your product and the online service you provide), then you are a bad designer, and somebody should call the "Waaaaambulance" for you.


Oh yeah, totally. LIke, if they didn't want hockey players to skate across the crease, then why is it possible? Those NHLers really screwed up with that one, and then blame players for what's THEIR FAULT!

And it's TOTALLY the fault of the American auto industry that I can exceed the speed limit. Man, putting the finger on me is just UNFAIR! Why can't I drive 100mph if that's what the car can do? Send my tickets to Detroit, please, lamz0rs law guys, 'cause it's NOT MY FAULT.

And I can post off-topic in the Underground. Obviously, if they'd wanted me to just post about old-school games and happenings in Bungie Studios they would have installed a massive keyword-driven autocensor that prevents me from putting the wrong post in the wrong place. So SUCK IT, D00DS! I'll post where I want and it's YOUR FAULT.

(If you think that any of the above are reasonable, please consult your doctor. Brain injury is a silent killer.)

-- Steve thanks you for your attention to this public health message."

First off, lemme say that the examples this guy gives are retarded. Largely because *every single one of them* has some form of regulation on them. Hockey has refs to *enforce* rules. We follow speed limits because we pay the salary of public servants called *police*, to enforce those speed limit laws. There are forum moderators (and here's the irony... can you see it?) who enforce the rules of the forums. The point I was making in my original post was that it is the responsibility of Bungie and Microsoft to make their game better, whether that be to enforce rules against the people who ruin the game, or improve on design. An example in the auto industry is seat-belts... sure, it's not the auto industry's fault if you get in a head on collision and kill yourself... I guess they shouldn't have to put safety measures like seat-belts in, cause it's the stupid drivers fault for getting in the accident. Amirite!?

So, I guess if I had to number a reason here it would be:
644) The lack of foresight and lack of responsibility shown by Bungie and Microsoft to make their game as enjoyable by all, as possible. (See above "Master forum ninja" Anton P Nym's post from two years ago...).

Disclaimer: I still think Halo 2 is the best FPS to ever go online. And I appreciate the work that Bungie and Microsoft have put into the game, especially the work beyond the initial set up of the game and it's online play. Such as banning of cheaters and balancing boards/weapons. However, it is injustice to tell players that they shouldn't do what the game designers allow them to do, not enforce anything to the contrary, and then tell the players who refuse to abuse it that "it's not our fault... blame the idiots that do it." IMO, take some responsibility, apologize for not having put in obvious counter-measure to many situations, and suck up the criticism in stride.

[Edited on 08.16.2007 9:37 AM PDT]

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644. People who get owned by kids and say the only reason why their so good is that they dont have to work.

  • 08.16.2007 9:54 AM PDT

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645. ppl who think they're good b/c they kill you with a noob combo, and then talk -blam!- at the end of the game saying you got owned

  • 08.16.2007 10:55 AM PDT
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646. little kids that own me.

  • 09.01.2007 12:05 PM PDT
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646. Tombstone, over and over and over on snipers.
647. Tombstone, over and over and over on SWAT.
648. Spawnkills.
649. I didn't even move yet, because I was spawnkilled again.
650. The ranking system- I drop a level, even though I have a great kills:deaths ratio, because my team is awful. Seriously, Bungie, rank by player, not by team outcome. It'll be much more effective.
651. Not being able to choose what gametype you want. When I play SWAT, I want SWAT, not SWAT CTF or Carbines or Magnums or any of that.

[Edited on 09.20.2007 11:03 PM PDT]

  • 09.20.2007 10:58 PM PDT

652. Because people play MM and people are dumb.

  • 09.21.2007 12:11 PM PDT
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654. Tombstone. (Doing Anything).

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655. Tombstone with snipers, and everyone but you sucks
656. The fact that now all modders are unbanned (well not so bad for me though :D)
657. Lack of assault rifle
658. The fact that bungie -blam!- up the playlists.
659. lack of slayer pro on lockout in MM
660. getting host always and being blamed for it
661. the fact that the score to win round doesnt show up in DT
662. people talking about runescape WoW etc...
663. people without mics that are mindless
664. people without mics that do have minds but cant responds
665. Microsoft
666. tombstones death barriers (i mean come on! you can get out of the map with a frieking jump!)
667. Desolations Sentiniel beams.
668. getting ctf on a big map (coag or something else) with and endless time limit and having it be DT
669. only about 20 diff voices, so many ppl sound the same..
670. that kid who just got xbl and ends up in your game of lvl 20's
671. little kids that speak quietly but can help you out alot (yes happends, also this kid wasnt annoying!)
672. the fact that lockout is hardly ever played.
673. when noos go on their brothers lvl 40 acct in snipers and make them lose 20 ranks..
674. people who swear to much and you post feedback on them but nothing happends.
675. so many low polygons...
676. glitches that never get fixed
677. lack of original maps (too many remakes)
678. The ability to standby is easier at the cost of not being able to bridge as easily

  • 09.21.2007 9:10 PM PDT

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652. Because people play MM and people are dumb.

653. Ignorant women.

679. People who back up my points.

[Edited on 09.21.2007 10:52 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2007 10:52 PM PDT
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680. MLG freaks

  • 09.21.2007 11:10 PM PDT
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681: host!!
682:not having h2h anymore
683:not having clanmatch anymore

  • 09.22.2007 11:28 AM PDT

Woot!

684. Lack of map variety in the Challenge and Rumblepit. 23 maps and maybe 4 are ever played on? Huh?
685. No human weapons only games.
685. Too many playlists that ecourage use of the noob combo.

  • 09.22.2007 11:45 AM PDT
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Bungie should really read this.. so then they would get some ideas on how to make it better :D
686. Swat Magnums
687. No rank on SWAT
688. No coagulation on Team Snipers
689. sometimes there is a long wait :(

  • 09.22.2007 8:53 PM PDT