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Subject: Okay, here's why the pistol was NOT overpowered
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http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/msulpRi3HbOHwA.html

As you can see this is a video of pros playing, it's Walshy on the top and Ogre 1 on the bottom.

-If you didn't notice... not every kill was a 3 shot kill.

-Another reason the pistol wasn't overpowered.... everyone had. a. pistol.



Well I guess I can think of one reason why it was overpowered...

It was unfair/not fun for the more unskilled players.


I also believe the pistol took alot more skill then maybe a Halo 2 or Halo 3 BR, because you had to lead your shots, the bullet wouldn't get there instantly, so you had to aim where your enemy was going. You had to develope a "feel" for where the bullet would go.

I know I'm kinda lame for bringing up a really stupid argument, but I don't care, I believed the pistol let the player who is actually better shine.

I also kinda understand why Bungie took it out

1. It was a secondary weapon, so they basicly turned it into the BR

2. They took out the need to lead with it because of XBL, I could imagine it being very inconsistant online. XBC or Halo PC anyone?

[Edited on 06.11.2007 5:22 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2007 5:19 PM PDT
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firstly, the skill in halo 1 = accidental. the pistol was accidentally good, it was sposed to be a halo 2 styled noobfest.

secondly, that video shows the xbox version of halo, this is a halo pc forum.

  • 06.11.2007 5:21 PM PDT
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Haha

But yeah I could imagine it being an accident.

[Edited on 06.11.2007 5:23 PM PDT]

  • 06.11.2007 5:23 PM PDT
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um welcome to 2001, this is 2007 I believe you are six years behind everyone here.

  • 06.11.2007 6:20 PM PDT
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I belive the pistol was an awesome weapon, but I found myself using it too much. Pistols are primarily sidearms in real-life, they don't win wars. In halo 1, you can easily beat the game with the pistol. Plus, pistols do not have scopes, and are not supposed to have scopes. So I belive it added to the belivability in the game. Also, congrats for bringing back up the argument that people like you have been rehashing since Halo 2 came out.

-GG

  • 06.11.2007 6:37 PM PDT

What it is.

THe reason why the pistol was powerful was because it had explosive rounds. In other words, once it hit contact, it'd explode. Of course it doesn't look like that, but if you read the manual, that's what it says.

  • 06.11.2007 6:44 PM PDT
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Actually, it does look to me like the pistol bullets make little mini-explosions. I agree with you, Desmik, but you don't need to make this argument to us. We already know the pistol is perfect.

  • 06.11.2007 7:05 PM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

It does, explosive rounds.

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I belive the pistol was an awesome weapon, but I found myself using it too much. Pistols are primarily sidearms in real-life, they don't win wars. In halo 1, you can easily beat the game with the pistol. Plus, pistols do not have scopes, and are not supposed to have scopes. So I belive it added to the belivability in the game. Also, congrats for bringing back up the argument that people like you have been rehashing since Halo 2 came out.

-GG


technically i didnt have a scope. it had a zoom function with the sights on a visual display in the chiefs helmet. acording to the books. and really pistols can and are ment to have scopes. you've never seen a pistol with a scope, it's apperent you arnt much of a marksmen.

  • 06.11.2007 7:22 PM PDT
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The only reason the pistol was called overpowered was for the simple fact it was a pistol. If it was a rifle, people would be just fine with it.

  • 06.11.2007 7:30 PM PDT
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your right,

differences between battle rifle and pistol
caliber
firing system (i.e. burst and full auto)
....um....oh yeah one's a pistol and the other is a rifle. (it take only about 3-4 bursts to completly drain someone's shields.) awfully familiar isnt it.

  • 06.11.2007 7:38 PM PDT

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and the thing is, when someone had a rocket, and you're using an M6C pistol, the one in halo 2, rocket>>> pistol

but in halo 1 at least you had a chance to defeat them.

  • 06.11.2007 7:58 PM PDT
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yeah thats exactly why i dont like halo 2. instead of giving the person with the greater skill the advantage, the person with the greatest weapon wins.

  • 06.12.2007 1:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Desmik
http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/msulpRi3HbOHwA.html

As you can see this is a video of pros playing, it's Walshy on the top and Ogre 1 on the bottom.

-If you didn't notice... not every kill was a 3 shot kill.

The pistol is a 3 - 5 shot kill.

Another reason the pistol wasn't overpowered.... everyone had. a. pistol.
Failed gameplay, it is.

Well I guess I can think of one reason why it was overpowered...

It was unfair/not fun for the more unskilled players.

That's because the more unskilled players were still hoping there was a use for the AR, Shotgun, Needler, PR, and PP besides just wasting the ammo.

I also believe the pistol took alot more skill then maybe a Halo 2 or Halo 3 BR, because you had to lead your shots, the bullet wouldn't get there instantly, so you had to aim where your enemy was going. You had to develope a "feel" for where the bullet would go.
Halo 2 itself is fundamentally flawed, so to compare flaws to flaws doesn't cut it, nor does it when you compare the weapon to another weapon that is still in beta form.

I know I'm kinda lame for bringing up a really stupid argument, but I don't care, I believed the pistol let the player who is actually better shine.
The pistol was not the "equalizer" or the "skilled weapon;" it was the weapon that the smart players used. The only thing that can out do a pistol in damage are the rocket launcher, the sniper, and the shotgun, except those three weapons have more flaws than pros. The pistol, on the other hand, has more pros than flaws.

Whether some people would like to admit it or not, Halo 1 was flawed. The weapon system and the balance was all out of place. The pistol was the dominant weapon that rendered many other weapons useless. Simply toning down the pistol fixes that problem. Then again, you'll have your pistol fans who will proclaim that there was nothing wrong with the pistol, but just something wrong with all the other weapons. Again, case and point of, "I'm not the problem, it's just that everyone else is." I'd rather solve one step of the problem instead of many others that would all lead to the same solution.

What's even worse was when it was ported over to the PC. Running speed, net code, and reticle magnetism were all causes as to why it feels out of place.

Of course, there will be many who will go to the grave disagreeing. I still wait for the day for people to realize Halo 1 and Halo 2 were just ripples in the pond for FPS gaming in general, but depth charges for the console FPS scene. Hopefully Halo 3 cures all of the problems met with 1 and 2.

  • 06.12.2007 1:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
Whether some people would like to admit it or not, Halo 1 was flawed.
Sometimes the obvious needs to be stated.

  • 06.12.2007 3:13 PM PDT

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I agree, every game has it's flaws, but some most definetly more obvious than others.

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Besides, the only reason that Halo really got popular was because of it's launch date. It was the only decent launch game for the Xbox. If it was released a few months later, it would just be remembered as a good game, not a great game.

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Posted by: Desmik
http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/msulpRi3HbOHwA.html

Thats the xbox version, wrong forum.

  • 06.12.2007 4:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: darekster2ongame
Besides, the only reason that Halo really got popular was because of it's launch date. It was the only decent launch game for the Xbox. If it was released a few months later, it would just be remembered as a good game, not a great game.

I liked the storyline more than anything else.

  • 06.12.2007 4:18 PM PDT
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(i'm theartof halo3) after thinking on your post for a while, i decided that your sorta right. in my opinion, halo PC has more military status to it. it encerages(sp, i know) you to take cover, find stronger weapons and take advantages in a gun fight.

and i have played a few matches recently, and i figured something out. when your in a fight with someone that has a better more effective gun that you, get rid of there advantage. (duh) as you may all know the pistol is imposibly effective in point blanks to extreamly short spaces. so the obvious way to win would be to get close to some one that has a pistol, dont let him have the advantage. dont wine and complane that the pistol is too strong. if you do can i not say your to stupid to figure out a way to beat it. really stop being a noob. dont complaine what ever gun it is they all have a weakness. if your to dumb to find one, you deserve to die by that weapon. really dont rag on halo 1 PC just because you think the pistol is to strong. i find the halo 1 PC battle system incredibley unflawed compared to the halo 2 system. (auto aim and melee lunge ruined it all.) but at the least it does have flaws, but at the top the pistol isn't the problem, its the person that weilds it. i mean the battle rifle and pistol do the exact same amount of damage but no one wines about the battle rifle.

  • 06.14.2007 3:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Theartofhalo 3
yeah thats exactly why i dont like halo 2. instead of giving the person with the greater skill the advantage, the person with the greatest weapon wins.


QFGDMFT for the hundredth time. That's why H2 takes no skill, and, an overall, a phailure of a sequel (no not community wise, I know most of the H2 supporters here are going to scream out, "0mg lpjuunin, h2x had over insert 10 digit number here players, s0 stfu, l0l kthnxbai guyys!1". But in actual GAME-wise).

  • 06.14.2007 4:55 PM PDT
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By Agamemnon582bc: That's because the more unskilled players were still hoping there was a use for the AR, Shotgun, Needler, PR, and PP besides just wasting the ammo.

By Abamemnon582bc: Whether some people would like to admit it or not, Halo 1 was flawed. The weapon system and the balance was all out of place. The pistol was the dominant weapon that rendered many other weapons useless.

I don't buy your argument one bit. Every weapon, barring the needler, has its use, and has some advantage over the pistol that will allow it to beat the pistol in certain situations. Pros use/used all the weapons on Halo 1 Xbox, the pistol is just the one they use most. I'll give some examples.

Assault Rifle: The AR is much easier to use at close range than the pistol. It has a nice, even stream of damage, when compared to the shotgun. This is nice, because, unlike the shotgun, if you miss your first shot, you have a lot more shots to use immediately thereafter. It doesn't kill as quickly as three shots with the pistol, but nobody gets perfect 3sks all the time, not even close. The AR has advantages over the pistol at close range. It is also good for finding camoed enemies. See someone grab the active camo, then lose them? Spray your AR in that area and light them up.

Shotgun: The Shotgun has a huge advantage over the pistol at close range. It is capable of an instant kill at close range, it is easier to use than the pistol, and is much more leniant towards small aiming errors, due to the spread of the pellets.

Plasma Rifle: The Plasma Rifle has some advantages over the pistol at close-mid range. A good PR user can stun a pistol user, rendering him unable to aim or move much. Alternatively, you can toss a frag, then stun them so they can't escape it. The PR is really good at taking down shields/overshields. Blast them with a few shots to take down the shields, and at the same time, move closer for a melee. Even good pistol wielders have a tough time dealing with good PR users at close-mid range.

Plasma Pistol: The Plasma Pistol has basically the same advantages over the pistol that the Plasma Rifle does, except the PP can fire as quickly as you can click the trigger. If you're good enough with the PP at close-mid range, there's no way pistol wielders can nail three shots to your head. Additionally, the PP can take down full OS + shields in one overcharge shot. The only disadvantage the PP has to the PR is that the PP bolts travel more slowly than the PR bolts.

Rockets: Self-explanitory.

Sniper: Instant kill, more accurate, 8x/10x scope (PC and Xbox, respectively), reaches farther. Perfect Sniper wielder >>>>>>>>>> perfect Pistol wielder.

  • 06.14.2007 7:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agamemnon582bc

Whether some people would like to admit it or not, Halo 1 was flawed. The weapon system and the balance was all out of place. The pistol was the dominant weapon that rendered many other weapons useless. Simply toning down the pistol fixes that problem. Then again, you'll have your pistol fans who will proclaim that there was nothing wrong with the pistol, but just something wrong with all the other weapons. Again, case and point of, "I'm not the problem, it's just that everyone else is." I'd rather solve one step of the problem instead of many others that would all lead to the same solution.

What's even worse was when it was ported over to the PC. Running speed, net code, and reticle magnetism were all causes as to why it feels out of place.

Of course, there will be many who will go to the grave disagreeing. I still wait for the day for people to realize Halo 1 and Halo 2 were just ripples in the pond for FPS gaming in general, but depth charges for the console FPS scene. Hopefully Halo 3 cures all of the problems met with 1 and 2.


No FPS or game is perfect. There has never been perfect FPS gameplay. Halo and the pistol is about as close to perfect FPS gameplay as I have witnessed in my mature gaming career. :)

The Halo weapons are very balanced IMO and each has its own strategy behind it. But the game was designed for holding 2 weapons at a time. Even the lesser weapons when paired with another weapon can be very powerful.

Anyway that is just my opinion of course, but I've always been a PC gamer even before such thing as hardware 3d acceleration on PCs.

Also, Max Payne is the best 3rd person shooter ever.

  • 06.14.2007 8:01 PM PDT
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because for no reason would a real pistol made of grade-A titanium be able to shoot as far as that could with that much stopping power without exploding...

I wouldn't mind at all if it was a rifle and not a pistol (just bugs the crap outta me)

  • 06.14.2007 8:17 PM PDT

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[quote]Posted by: Agamemnon582bc

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No FPS or game is perfect. There has never been perfect FPS gameplay. Halo and the pistol is about as close to perfect FPS gameplay as I have witnessed in my mature gaming career. :)

The Halo weapons are very balanced IMO and each has its own strategy behind it. But the game was designed for holding 2 weapons at a time. Even the lesser weapons when paired with another weapon can be very powerful.

Anyway that is just my opinion of course, but I've always been a PC gamer even before such thing as hardware 3d acceleration on PCs.

Also, Max Payne is the best 3rd person shooter ever.


While it's true that no shooter is perfect, I've played other FPSes (like the Half-life and Unreal series, for example) where I rarely got the feeling in multiplayer that the other person had an unfair advantage because of a weapon he/she wielded. They may have had better skills, they may have had better positioning to shoot from concealment, but I never felt I got pwned just because of the weapon. Playing the Halo series, I get that feeling (and it's not a good one) quite a bit. While I feel that the PC versions of Halo/Halo 2 have a better weapon balance (not sure why, maybe it's just me w/ the mouse/KB thing), other shooters have gotten it better.

And you're right: Max Payne absolutely rules the 3rd person genre. :D

  • 06.14.2007 10:31 PM PDT

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