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Subject: Superbouncing? Legal is some cases, not all?
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I know superbouncing is legal, as stated, but what about Monster Bouncing (2 - 3x Higher than normal bounce) with an odd ball, or neutral flag? I was wondering seeing as in the post game lobby they said it was illegal. As superbouncing was stated legal, everyone can use, though hard in some cases. One of the cases is monster bouncing. I mean, when I bounced I did feel kinda bad, but I wanted the rank. I was up so high, I couldn't even snipe them! The guys heads were smaller the the riticle (Spelling of it?) of the Sniper RIfle! So I need to know, is a Monster legal? Is out of map bounces legal? Is any bounce with oddball legal?

  • 06.15.2007 3:20 PM PDT
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all people do is superbounce now, its hard to have fun when half of the other team is out of the map

  • 06.15.2007 3:34 PM PDT
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Superbouncing = illegal. It breaks the Terms of Use.

  • 06.15.2007 3:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Save Ferris
Superbouncing = illegal. It breaks the Terms of Use.

Ok then... where, and which agreements do you break?

  • 06.15.2007 3:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Save Ferris
Superbouncing = illegal. It breaks the Terms of Use.


Link to you proof? Here's mine..

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/content.aspx?link=h2cheating


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What is NOT considered a bannable offense by Bungie?

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Quitting a game is not a bannable offense. Having a team-killer on your team sucks, but that's not a bannable offense either. Many people are also aware of the "super jumping" phenomenon that allows players on some maps to jump to extreme heights. We are monitoring this situation for long term impacts to game balance but we are not banning people who do this simply because it's too widespread and is something that's basically built into the map. Anyone can do this if they want to though it is difficult to pull off in many cases. We will continue to monitor the impacts this bug has on our game.


[Edited on 06.15.2007 3:37 PM PDT]

  • 06.15.2007 3:36 PM PDT

My YouTube Channel. Just getting into the Machinima business.

Posted by: I F3AR OWN
Posted by: Save Ferris
Superbouncing = illegal. It breaks the Terms of Use.


Link to you proof? Here's mine..

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/content.aspx?link=h2cheating


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What is NOT considered a bannable offense by Bungie?

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Quitting a game is not a bannable offense. Having a team-killer on your team sucks, but that's not a bannable offense either. Many people are also aware of the "super jumping" phenomenon that allows players on some maps to jump to extreme heights. We are monitoring this situation for long term impacts to game balance but we are not banning people who do this simply because it's too widespread and is something that's basically built into the map. Anyone can do this if they want to though it is difficult to pull off in many cases. We will continue to monitor the impacts this bug has on our game.


lol, pwned.

  • 06.15.2007 3:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Crimson Scuba
Posted by: I F3AR OWN
Posted by: Save Ferris
Superbouncing = illegal. It breaks the Terms of Use.


Link to you proof? Here's mine..

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/content.aspx?link=h2cheating


Q
What is NOT considered a bannable offense by Bungie?

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Quitting a game is not a bannable offense. Having a team-killer on your team sucks, but that's not a bannable offense either. Many people are also aware of the "super jumping" phenomenon that allows players on some maps to jump to extreme heights. We are monitoring this situation for long term impacts to game balance but we are not banning people who do this simply because it's too widespread and is something that's basically built into the map. Anyone can do this if they want to though it is difficult to pull off in many cases. We will continue to monitor the impacts this bug has on our game.


lol, pwned.


Yea, I know he just got ownd. =)

  • 06.15.2007 3:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: JROCK420
Posted by: I F3AR OWN
Posted by: Crimson Scuba
Posted by: I F3AR OWN
Posted by: Save Ferris
Superbouncing = illegal. It breaks the Terms of Use.


Link to you proof? Here's mine..

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/content.aspx?link=h2cheating


Q
What is NOT considered a bannable offense by Bungie?

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Quitting a game is not a bannable offense. Having a team-killer on your team sucks, but that's not a bannable offense either. Many people are also aware of the "super jumping" phenomenon that allows players on some maps to jump to extreme heights. We are monitoring this situation for long term impacts to game balance but we are not banning people who do this simply because it's too widespread and is something that's basically built into the map. Anyone can do this if they want to though it is difficult to pull off in many cases. We will continue to monitor the impacts this bug has on our game.


lol, pwned.


Yea, I know he just got ownd. =)

He didn't get owned this is what he got. lol.


Nevermind then, he got RICK ROLLED!

  • 06.15.2007 3:44 PM PDT
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I still need clearence from bungie! Is bouncing in tactical games suh as oddball and Neut. CTF Legal?

  • 06.15.2007 4:03 PM PDT
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Can you not read? It says it right there in the section posted- they won't ban you for it, so basically, there's your 'clearance'.

I don't think they're so much encouraging it, as much as they are condoning it, imo.

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Ok, but I still want good clearence. Oddball and CTF might had different rules, and also Bouncing out of map in Oddball.. I rather be safe than sorry. If you bounce out of map on ascension or Headlong.. That's harsh, and I want to know if there's any punishment for out of map bounces..

  • 06.15.2007 4:11 PM PDT
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Kay. Back to skrimish and double team until I hear otherwise..

  • 06.15.2007 4:14 PM PDT
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Carrots.

Illegal. HOLY -blam!-. there's a LAW agaisn't what you can do in a video game HOLY -blam!-.

  • 06.15.2007 4:23 PM PDT
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Are you saying it's illegal or making fun of me? Yes, it's not law, but I rather not end up with a Ban..

  • 06.15.2007 4:29 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

That's some absurd logic you have there... "external, not everyone can do it." Both modding and BXR are the same thing - a bug in the game allows you do things that are not supposed to happen in the context of the game's normal rules.

Again - our rule is simple: glitch exploiting is cheating. Modding is glitch exploiting. Superjumping is glitch explotiing. Animation interrupting is glitch exploiting. Etc.

You seem be trying to place some kind of relative ranking to how "serious" an exploit is, and that determines if it is cheating. If that is the case, then the only people who get to decide such a "ranking" are the people who run the sandbox you're playing in (us if your on Live, MLG if you're at a tournment of theirs, or you if you're on your own LAN). In that case, I'm right, and animation glitches like BXR are an exploit and are cheating.

Here's the fun part - if we're not going by "ranking the exploit" and instead apply a standard policy, I'm STILL right and BXRs and such are cheating, because we TOLD you this policy when you got an Xbox Live account (read the terms of use).

Now, I'm really sorry this seems sudden to you, but as you've already indicated... you don't play in our sandbox (Matchmaking), so it really doesn't matter that you don't like what we think about those glitches. In the hypothetical, though, you're going to need a better argument than the ones you've been presenting so far.




Superbouncing is cheating.


[Edited on 06.15.2007 4:42 PM PDT]

  • 06.15.2007 4:41 PM PDT
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So is BXR and Double shot, and all that bad feedback has gotten you...?

  • 06.15.2007 4:47 PM PDT
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So Superbouncing cheating? They should really update the rules for cheating then.. They should make this clear.. I don't feel like digging through forums to find it.. I go straight to "Cheating" on my profile, I come to forums and get a different response. That's why I posted. I knew I would get a different response. Thanks still looking for replies from Bungie

  • 06.15.2007 5:04 PM PDT
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Carrots.

Posted by: I F3AR OWN
Are you saying it's illegal or making fun of me? Yes, it's not law, but I rather not end up with a Ban..


yes. However, it's not agaisn't the law (illegal is the law) it's agaisn't the rules of halo, the rules are not legality.

  • 06.15.2007 5:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: GezaB
Posted by: I F3AR OWN
Are you saying it's illegal or making fun of me? Yes, it's not law, but I rather not end up with a Ban..


yes. However, it's not agaisn't the law (illegal is the law) it's agaisn't the rules of halo, the rules are not legality.


Annoy another person, kay noob?

  • 06.15.2007 5:14 PM PDT
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every 2v2 i play on turf is superbounce

  • 06.15.2007 5:30 PM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

Glitches, or "system manipulation" are defined as cheating according the the xbox Live ToU. The Bungie.net CoC and ToU forbids discussing or advocating cheating on these forums. Ergo, this thread is now locked.

Superbouncing is in fact a violation of the xbox live ToU. If you use it in MM, you're cheating. Its just too difficult to detect for a variety of reasons, so Bungie does not ban superjumpers. It is still considered cheating in MM, because being that its Bungie's system, they get to make the rules. They decided to call it cheating, so that's what it is.

In LAN and custom games, its your system, so you can use whatever rules you want.

  • 06.15.2007 5:50 PM PDT